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Thanks for the Memory

Posted by jonljacobi Apr 25, 2008

There's a whole lot of people I'd like to thank, both from the PR side and the technical side for the help and information they provided.

In no particular order...

Daniel S. Snyder and Colin Strong from Intel
Peggy Kelly for Kingston
Ruby Linn and Robert Pearce from Corsair
Kelly Sasso from Crucial/Micron
Megan Wagoner from Ergotron

Andrew Staples for, and Cara Zuber from Adaptec for help with the 3405 and 5445 firmware
Lawren Markle and Katie Allodi for and from NEC for a no-questions display swap
Jacob Freeman from EVGA
Kalvin Yoang from Gigabyte
Julie Dexter from APCC
Julie Robertson from Waggener Edstrom for Microsoft

Tim Hunting from Koolance
Jon Johnson from CRU-Dataport
David L. Szabados from Seagate
Heather Skinner from Western Digital
Ken Brown, James Wang, and Sean Cleveland from nVidia

Stephen Lawton from Acronis
Maria Belitskaya and Jeff Hyman from and for Paragon Software

Susie Hayne from Creative
Lisa Gregerson from OCZ
Mario Gastelum from Diamond Multimedia
Robert Demoulin for Sony
Narine Galstian from Nero
The good folk at Thermaltake

Lonny and Logan from Tiger Direct.

Thomas Luong and William Wang from the test center for help and numerous tension-breaking wise-ass remarks. Kellie Parker for offering me this project and sending stuff back from her office.

All you readers for your input and support. I'm sorry all of you couldn't win something.

I'm sure I forgot someone, but hey, at least I tried.

Cheers, Jon

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Last Chance for Romance

Posted by jonljacobi Apr 17, 2008

Well, it's finally finished. Unfortunately, the Acronis image I reinstalled after the graphics testing wasn't quite up to snuff. It altered the boot record and caused Vista 64 to go kaboom looking for the previous user profile. That's a new one on me. I finally just gave up and reinstalled the OS with the latest drivers, but no apps. Dual-boot is gone. I figure the winner will have their own tastes in software and they can register the programs as well when they install them.

Here are a couple of amateur pics I shot with the cover on and the lighted fans, etc. The blue light motif (which is washed out by my flash) was pretty much part of the case and it overwhelmed the UV with only two reactive cables on board so I ditched the UV. It's in the box so the winner can have at it as they see fit or use it in another system. I think it looks nice as is. In-house photo maven Robert Cardin will be doing an official photo on Monday that I'll post.

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The gaming scores were quite nice. 187fps for Doom 3 anti-aliased at 1280*1024 and 258fps for Far Cry with the same settings. If you get fragged with this system, it's your own fault.

I'll be back with one more post to thank everyone involved.

Cheers, Jon

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Squeaky Clean

Posted by jonljacobi Apr 13, 2008

I just re-did the Vista 64 install so that there's a clean image with nothing but drivers and SP1. Nvidia updated its video drivers so this install might be even a bit more stable than the last. It's ready for William's FPS testing on Monday. Wasn't as easy as you'd think though. Still have to remove one graphics card to install the OS due to SLI driver issues, and getting the memory settings just right on this thing is, well, challenging. Finally, I just turned off the EPP and ran the Crucial at 1333Mhz for the install. The 9800 GX2s should kick butt even without any CPU or memory overclocking.

Cheers, Jon

P.S. Except for the main unit and one monitor, just about everything has been packed up or is about to be. I need to bag and tag some of the extraneous parts I didn't use or removed, but otherwise it's ready to go out the door as soon as testing is finished and the last two parts arrive.

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On the Mend

Posted by jonljacobi Apr 11, 2008

Well, for the first time in a week I don't feel like a train wreck. Sorry to the winner, but until I make it in to finish testing and packing up... Actually, we're still waiting on a boxed CPU and the USB version of the Xbox 360 controller before we can ship this puppy out. If all the paperwork is finished, that should be by mid next week. We also have to take a few pictures of the finished machine (just the box).

The games tests wouldn't load on the machine according to William Wang of the Test Center. Probably because of all the games already on there. I'll have to do a clean reinstall to get those done I suppose.

I guess this is all a bit anti-climactic and few people are reading anymore. After all, it's just not the same if you don't stand a chance of winning the thing. Collective sigh. Still, must finish the job and all that so I'll be logging till the end.

Cheers, Jon

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With the QX9650 running at 4GHz and the Crucial Balistix memory at 1600, the WorldBench number was 138 which I believe is a record but again only one pass completed with all tests run. The second and third passes failed to complete the FireFox and FireFox/Windows Media Encoder multitasking tests.

I'm trying a couple of passes of those two tests alone to see if I can discover the exact nature of the failure. But then I'll be pulling two sticks of the Ballistix and giving it a go at 4GHz/2000MHz. The 2000MHz memory worked fine when placed in slots 2 and 4 in a 2GB configuration.

Later...

The previously described 2GB at 2000MHz didn't work. It didn't make it past the second test in the first pass.

Kingston sent along 8GB of 1800MHz memory that I also tried but that didn't make it through WorldBench either at that speed. I'm thinking that the 8GB of Corsair is what we'll ship with. I was going to visit Las Vegas this week for my Aunt Perl's 80-something birthday. But I'm now sick as a dog with some sort of sinus/cold/flu thing and that fries that plan unless I'm significantly better by Thursday. Can't be infecting an octogenarian. Actually, I'm not big on the Typhoid Manny deal on any front. I really hate it when people show up for work, knowing they're sick, and risk infecting their coworkers. If you're sick, stay home.

More when I'm feeling better.

Cheers, Jon

P.S. I haven't heard if the winner has responded yet and I'm assuming I will. Maybe there's still hope for you guys.
P.S.S. Ignore the P.S. Sorry to raise false hopes.

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Fun with WorldBench

Posted by jonljacobi Apr 5, 2008

Thumb Twiddling

I'm sitting here watching WorldBench run (not for long mind you) and I thought I'd relay some of the interesting discoveries from the memory configuration process.

First and foremost, when you buy a memory "kit", say a 4GB 1600MHz kit, that's all that's guaranteed to work in your system. You can't just buy another 4GB kit and know the 8GB will work under all conditions. It may, but there's no vendor guarantee. This is really only an issue on the bleeding edge, but it's worth noting that there are no 8GB kits. I'm going to have some long talks with memory vendors after the dust has cleared and I'll be able to offer more particulars. All I can say to you system builders out there is that both "Bleeding Edge" and "Beta" start with a "B".

Our preliminary test run at 3.66GHz with 4GB of 1600MHz memory garnered a 133 WorldBench score. That's about 3 points shy of the record I believe, but there's a lot of headroom here. Currently we're running the same config but with 8GB. Worldbench kept hanging with the memory voltage at only 1.8 and the northbridge at 1.3 so I bumped those up to 2.0 and 1.45 respectively. These are the highest "safe" settings in the EVGA 790i Ultra Sli's BIOS. nVidia has done a nice job in that regard. "Safe" voltages are in green, greater voltages that might be dicey are in red. Nice touch. The 790i SLI Ultra also has lots of pre-configured overclocking settings so it's very friendly in that regard.

Later...

I managed to finish one run of the 8GB and the score was 135. Unfortunately, the Firefox 2 and Firefox/Windows Media Encoder multitasking portions didn't complete during the 2nd and third passes so that's not official. The Test Center's William Wang will be back on Monday to continue official testing. I'm going to switch to the Crucial Ballistix 2000MHz and run it overnight and see what I find in the morning.

Even Later...

With 4GB, the Crucial 2000MHz wasn't stable in the least, freezing, and failing the Vista memory diagnostic. At 1600MHz it seems to be fine. We may not be able to go 200MHz with 4GB. Drat. Before I left, I cranked the QX9650 up to 4GHz (upped the voltage to 1.45) and left it running with the Crucial at 1600MHz, hopefully it will be fine and have completed three runs when I return. I didn't have to increase the CPU voltage at all for 3.66GHz.

While high WorldBench numbers are nice, speed was not the sole criteria for this machine. It was meant to be well-rounded PC equally equally suited to a number of different tasks. We'll probably break the record, but I expect a number of machines to eclipse the mark in the near future with the latest hardware.

Skulltrail IS Fast

I said it once before about the D5400XS that I had to forsake. It was FAST. It didn't show up in our tests, but subjectively I have never, ever seen Windows behave that snappily. I initially attributed that to the SSDs, but it was really the D5400XS. That said, there were reasons behind the decision to ditch it that readers have asked about. Subsequently, I found out that the eSATA not working was probably more the fault of the Adaptec 3405's BIOS, but that revelation wasn't enough to bring the Skulltrail back.

The reasons the D5400XS left the build were as follows.

1. Blocked slots. I couldn't use the E-MU 1616m sound card because the SLI graphics cards blocked the PCI slots.

2. Thermals. The 800MHz FB DDR2 memory ran very hot. The CPUs gave off a lot of heat, and cooling two CPUs was going to mean coolant tubing running all over the place. Also, the stock plumping wasn't designed with 2 CPUs in mind. Then there were the two 9800 GX2 which blow a lot a heat as well.

3. The long boot time was driving me crazy. 30-45 seconds before the LCD even lights up to show you the unit is working is too long for a consumer machine. Intel needs to dump the server boot diagnostics or at least provide an option to bypass them. Check the VGA first and at least let us know what's going on guys.

4. CPU availability. In the long run, I wasn't sure that Intel would continue to provide unlocked LGA771 CPUs. At least in a timely fashion. They may, but they're very expensive and I know they'll continue to provide enthusiast LGA775 CPUs for as long as the socket is sold.

In the end, I made a judgment call and decided that the majority of users would be happier with something a bit more mainstream that boots faster and that they'll be able to drop a new processor into. And the sound card... I hope the winner is musical.

By the way, thanks again to Daniel Snyder and the D5400XS team for the help they provided. Maybe next time.

Cheers, Jon

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I'm Back

Posted by jonljacobi Apr 4, 2008

Just a quick post to say I'm back on the case and will have more later today. I'll be testing, packing, and doing final adjustments over the weekend. The winner has been picked and so starts that process. Hopefully, there will be more Dream PCs coming up so everyone who didn't win gets more chances. And hopefully, it will go a bit smoother next time. B-)

Cheers, Jon

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Slight pause

Posted by jonljacobi Apr 1, 2008

They should be announcing the winner tomorrow, but I'll be winging my way to Oklahoma City on a brief trip and will miss it. The Dream PC is in the trusty hands of the test center's Thomas Luong who's putting it through its paces. Acronis True Image 11 and Disk Director 10 showed up and have been added to the software stack. Thanks to Acronis's Stephen Lawton for that.

I couldn't get hold of the Icemat Siberia headphones so I opted for the Creative Fatal1tys instead. Hope you're all not too disappointed. I'll be packing up stuff this weekend, but we may also run some more tests and do an extensive burn in so the main system won't be in the box till next week. I still have to drain the coolant and tidy things up. Hope the winner doesn't get too antsy. ;-)

Cheers, Jon

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WorldBenching --- Finally

Posted by jonljacobi Mar 31, 2008

About three weeks later than I had planned, we're finally benchmarking the system. Since PC World doesn't have a lot of data on 4GB vs. 8GB, we're using the Corsair 1600MHz memory in both configurations. I'll have the 2000MHz Crucial Ballistix in tomorrow and I'll make sure that's tested as well. I've mildly overclocked the processor from 9X to 11X (3.666Ghz in honor of the price and difficulty) and everything was super stable all day long. The extra cycles raised the CPU temperature about 1 degree centigrade with the liquid cooling. The fluid is hardly even warm.

Acronis finally got back to me (seems there were bouncing emails) and the boxed True Image and Disk Director are on their way. Dropped System Commander from the build since we don't really need it and it didn't work as well as I would've liked.

All the games run fine on Vista SP1. The various USB devices and controller all work, the sound is great though for some reason via a digital optical connection, the Logitechs only let you do stereo unless it's DTS or Dolby then the other channels kick in. And the coax S/PDIF didn't seem to function. I'm looking into that, it may have been the cable, but there didn't seem to be a manual online for the speakers. I've re-enabled the on-board HD audio so you can do surround via analog connection if needs be.

Adaptec thinks that despite the firmware not kicking in, I should be able to use the 5445 under Windows with the proper drivers and software. I'll be checking that tomorrow. I do know that the 5445 and 3405 showed up under device manager, though trying to access their properties caused DM to hang. I'd actually be happier with it running only under Windows so there's no 30 second boot delay while the firmware loads and arrays are checked. This may mean ditching the RAID 5, but now with four separate arrays on board, there's plenty of redundancy.

By the way, the Patchmix DSP mixing program that comes with the 1616m requires reading the manual. I've used it for over a year now with my 0404 and it still gets me sometimes. Most of you can simply ignore it. Just FYI, for recording folks, there's soft knee compression on the mic inputs and DSP FX on the card that you can use to save CPU cycles, though you've got those in spades with four cores and probably 4GHz (overclocked more aggressively) worth of them. The ASIO latency on this puppy is ridiculously low. If you don't know what that means, you won't care.

More tomorrow.

Jon

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Just moved Flight Sim to Vista 64 and now there are no BSoDs. B4 you start thinking that you simply must switch to Vista for any of the games I'm having problems with, remember that nVidia is prioritizing 9800 GX2driver development for DX10 and Vista (hence quad SLI in Vista and not XP). I didn't have any problems with either OS with the older nVidia 7800GTs installed.

By the way, to create that wide-screen, multi-display view for Flight Sim.

1. Start flying.
2. Right-click and de-select Hide Menu.
3. Select Virtual Cockpit from the Views\New View\Cockpit menu.
4. Drag the new window to the right or left monitor and resize it (you may have to select Undock View from the Views menu).
5. Use the keypad to adjust the secondary view to the right or left, up or down.
6. Repeat the process for the third monitor.

Electronic Arts makes quality games, however, their annoying habit of forcing you to have the DVD in the drive to play stinks. If you leave it there, it wastes time during the BIOS boot as well as the Windows boot. If you don't, then you must track it down and insert it every time you want to play the game. Then there are the advertisements by Intel and nVidia within the actual game intro. Sheesh.

Also moved Crysis over to Vista to take advantage of the quad SLI (only dual in XP) and am currently moving partitions around to make more space for Vista 64. I flirted with removing XP all together, but then I thought that it would be a pain for whoever wins to reinstall it if they prefer it and the driver thing should be resolved fairly soon. I still use XP, by the way...

Hopefully, the Corsair Ballistix will be here today which will mean WorldBench time.

By the way. Because the eSATA on the D5400XS wouldn't work with the Adpatec 3405 on board, I got it in my head to use the Iomega UltraMax Pro only via USB. It finally occurred to me to put it back on the eSATA bus with the EVGA 790i Ultra SLI and now no USB boot problem. If you can't lick 'em, switch the bus.

L8r.

Jon

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I finally located the Acronis True Image 11 disc I used to review the product (Acronis has been strangely uncommunicative recently) and it works with this setup so I've moved to it for the backup images.

Vista did not like it when I turned on the JMicron AHCI eSATA controller. It was all of a sudden hanging during boot. I imagine trying to figure out what that controller and drive were doing there. I had to boot to safe mode to install the driver. Even booting into safe mode took a long time. Perhaps if I'd been more patient with the normal boot, but I thought ten minutes was enough.

I have the Logitech Z-5500 speakers out of the box. With the size of the subwoofer, I imagine they'll disturb folks blocks away. Personally, I don't like bass braggarts unless they're at a dance club. Unfortunately, Logitech didn't include an optical light pipe or RCA cable for digital hookup so I can't take a listen yet. At least with the EMU 1616m which will only drive them that way. I could use the analog out of the on board HD audio. Nah.

I'll grab a couple of these from my personal stash at home and bring them in tomorrow. At least they tinned the ends of the analog speaker cables and marked the positive leads clearly. The connectors on both the sub woofer and the satellite speakers are pressure clamp types. I do very much like the way the base on the four front and back speakers swivel for wall mounting or simply sitting on a suitable surface.

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It occurs to me after just watching someone struggle mightily with a large package, many folks could use a couple of tips on box unpacking and packing.

The Rollover Technique

When you have something heavy in a box, don't kill yourself or your back trying to lift it out. Open one end, pull the flaps back so that they lie parallel to the box surface, roll the box over so the open end is facing against the floor, then simply slide the box up and off. Be careful. The way some boxes are packed, loose stuff can fall out. Examine the contents before you attempt this and perhaps enlist a friend to watch and assist in case of such a circumstance.

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Organize the Packing Materials

If there's a chance you're going to send the item back, place the packing materials back in the box exactly as they were when you opened it. This of course means you must observe how they are oriented, before and during the unpacking. Believe me, when you revisit the box two weeks later for the repacking it will save you a ton of time. Be careful to observe arrows and up/down markers on molded foam pieces.

More later.

Cheers, Jon

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Okay, I've got to get on my soapbox at least once during this interminable build.

Major, major kudos to CRU Dataport--the purveyor of the 4-port SaS external box--for using corn starch peanuts as their packing material. Living in a sometimes windy city, I know how many of these little peanut beggars wind up in the street and everywhere else. I've actually seen them in national parks in supposedly remote areas and wasted some time I wanted to spend enjoying the sights cleaning them up.

You'll never see the corn starch variety for long, however, as they will dissolve in the rain in a relatively short period of time. Woohoo!

A couple of vendors have used paper. Just as good as it's easy to recycle.

Alright, enough of that. Back to the Dream PC. Here's that surround FSX cockpit I was talking about. Okay, so I didn't have the window on the right-hand monitor lined up quite right and I didn't have the monitors as close together as they could be or angled properly. I was just stoked to be there... ;-)

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All the SaS drives are in the external box and the array is fine. Still can't get the Adaptec controllers to cohabitate though they work fine on my office test bed.

Cheers, Jon

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Round n' Round

Posted by jonljacobi Mar 28, 2008

The Corsair starting giving me trouble at 8GB with the CAS at 7. I backed off to normal 1333/1066 settings until I get around to tweaking by hand to 9 as Corsair recommended. I have 2GB more 2000MHz Crucial Ballistix on the way for Monday so we'll probably WorldBench with 4GB of that. Nobody said life on the bleeding edge would be easy.

The SaS box is here, but I won't get it up and running until Saturday. Hopefully, the Adaptec 5445 will play nice with the rest of the BIOS. I'm going to put the UV in tomorrow as well so I have something new to look at. After that, it's time to seal up the case. I'll be breaking out the speakers to check the surround setup as well. Pics of that on the morrow late'ish.

TGIF

Jon

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Driver Dilemmas Diluted

Posted by jonljacobi Mar 27, 2008

My editors always remove my alliterations, but this is my blog darn it, and if I find them amusing I'll use them.

It seems that Windows hotfixes have saved the day. I can actually Flight Sim and play Battlefield 2142 in XP now, though the former BSoD's upon exit from the program. For the vast majority of tasks, the system is stable and usable--no mainstream applications such as Office or Adobe CS3 have any problem.

I've tweaked the Corsair 1600 DDR3 to actually run at 1600MHz (7-7-7-20-2) It JEDECs at 1333Mhz which I find a bit odd but it runs fine at the new settings, though an increase to 1.9 volts (from 1.5) was recommended by Corsair for stability. I'm currently running it unlinked from the FSB which is only 1333MHz on the QX9650. This is all pre-overclock and I may switch back to 4GB of 2000MHz before is all said and done.

Other than the continuing mild driver issues and waiting for the SaS enclosure, it's all about tweaking little things. I'm going to relinquish the system to the Test Center so they can WorldBench it overnight. I'll let you know how it goes.

Tomorrow I may move all the games to Vista as I was just informed that the nVidia XP driver don't support quad SLI (two cards with two GPUs apiece equals quad SLI). Maybe they mentioned that before. Kinda' leaves the rationale for XP on this machine out in the cold, but I'll leave it on as whoever wins this may prefer it (I still use it). Downloading the Crysis 1.2/1.21 patches as we speak.

Iomega's Web site says that USB drives greater than 500GB can cause boot problems with many computers. While this surprises me somewhat, it may mean that you'll have to leave the Iomega UltraMax Pro powered down at boot.

I have the 5445 controller from Adaptec for the external SaS box, but no SaS box yet. More on that later. Thanks to Adaptec's Cara Zuber for the help with the SaS controller issues. By the way, though it has 2MB of BIOS the 3405 is only trying to grab 34KB of memory. I'm figuring that if it were 32KB, they wouldn't be having this problem But that's just a guess based on the problems I've been having with a system that was originally worth $30,666. The last three digits being the issue. :p

Cheers, Jon

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Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes...

Posted by jonljacobi Mar 25, 2008

Nothing drastic has changed mind you, but there's going to be a lot of storage on this puppy. For a couple of reasons, not the least being my curiosity in running SaS in a hot-swappable box, I've decided to move the super fast, but hot running SaS drives into an external enclosure. Inside the 3D Mercury case instead will be two 750GB Western Digital Caviar SE16s which are one of, if not the fastest large capacity desktop SATA drives you can buy. I'll be running them in RAID 0 of course and it's formatting as we speak; and formatting, and formatting, and formatting... Large drive, long format time.

In the concessions post I said I wasn't going to attach the front panel HD audio header. I re-thought this with a little prodding from the test center's Thomas Luong and found a path for it underneath the back of the two 9800 GX2s. You'll still have to enable the HD audio in the BIOS to use it, but that's easy enough. I'm pretty sure once you hear the 1616m you won't bother.

I installed Flight Sim so we could show a cool three monitor surround cockpit during the final video. Unfortunately, it didn't work out. Probably some sort of driver issue with the 9800 GX2s but I really don't know as of yet. No video of that, but I'll post pics ASAP. Also, we should manage to WorldBench this machine tomorrow so scores should be forthcoming.

Subjectively, Windows doesn't seem quite as snappy with this setup as it did with the D5400XS though the game play is sensational. Not by much mind you, but though the D5400XS didn't WorldBench startlingly well--somewhere in the mid 130's in our trial runs--it sure felt fast. Some of that I attributed to the SSDs, perhaps mistakenly (not that they aren't fast). Maybe I'm just getting used to all these faster speeds... ;-)

I spent part of the day re-routing power cables around the back of the machine to help with appearances. If I haven't said so already, I think I insulted the ThermalTake W1033 be inference when I talked about the Ultra X3's superior quality connectors. The W1033's are just fine.

I've already started working on a document explaining the ins and outs of the Dream PC for whoever wins it. There's not all that much to explain but there are a few gotchas such as both Windows partitions (XP and Vista) being visible. That means leave them alone when the other operating system running. With over 2TB of auxiliary storage that shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Final assembly and bling touchup tomorrow. Gotta' love those Velcro cable ties that come with the ThermalTake.

Cheers, Jon

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