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Thanks for the Memory

Posted by jonljacobi Apr 25, 2008

There's a whole lot of people I'd like to thank, both from the PR side and the technical side for the help and information they provided.

In no particular order...

Daniel S. Snyder and Colin Strong from Intel
Peggy Kelly for Kingston
Ruby Linn and Robert Pearce from Corsair
Kelly Sasso from Crucial/Micron
Megan Wagoner from Ergotron

Andrew Staples for, and Cara Zuber from Adaptec for help with the 3405 and 5445 firmware
Lawren Markle and Katie Allodi for and from NEC for a no-questions display swap
Jacob Freeman from EVGA
Kalvin Yoang from Gigabyte
Julie Dexter from APCC
Julie Robertson from Waggener Edstrom for Microsoft

Tim Hunting from Koolance
Jon Johnson from CRU-Dataport
David L. Szabados from Seagate
Heather Skinner from Western Digital
Ken Brown, James Wang, and Sean Cleveland from nVidia

Stephen Lawton from Acronis
Maria Belitskaya and Jeff Hyman from and for Paragon Software

Susie Hayne from Creative
Lisa Gregerson from OCZ
Mario Gastelum from Diamond Multimedia
Robert Demoulin for Sony
Narine Galstian from Nero
The good folk at Thermaltake

Lonny and Logan from Tiger Direct.

Thomas Luong and William Wang from the test center for help and numerous tension-breaking wise-ass remarks. Kellie Parker for offering me this project and sending stuff back from her office.

All you readers for your input and support. I'm sorry all of you couldn't win something.

I'm sure I forgot someone, but hey, at least I tried.

Cheers, Jon

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Last Chance for Romance

Posted by jonljacobi Apr 17, 2008

Well, it's finally finished. Unfortunately, the Acronis image I reinstalled after the graphics testing wasn't quite up to snuff. It altered the boot record and caused Vista 64 to go kaboom looking for the previous user profile. That's a new one on me. I finally just gave up and reinstalled the OS with the latest drivers, but no apps. Dual-boot is gone. I figure the winner will have their own tastes in software and they can register the programs as well when they install them.

Here are a couple of amateur pics I shot with the cover on and the lighted fans, etc. The blue light motif (which is washed out by my flash) was pretty much part of the case and it overwhelmed the UV with only two reactive cables on board so I ditched the UV. It's in the box so the winner can have at it as they see fit or use it in another system. I think it looks nice as is. In-house photo maven Robert Cardin will be doing an official photo on Monday that I'll post.

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The gaming scores were quite nice. 187fps for Doom 3 anti-aliased at 1280*1024 and 258fps for Far Cry with the same settings. If you get fragged with this system, it's your own fault.

I'll be back with one more post to thank everyone involved.

Cheers, Jon

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Squeaky Clean

Posted by jonljacobi Apr 13, 2008

I just re-did the Vista 64 install so that there's a clean image with nothing but drivers and SP1. Nvidia updated its video drivers so this install might be even a bit more stable than the last. It's ready for William's FPS testing on Monday. Wasn't as easy as you'd think though. Still have to remove one graphics card to install the OS due to SLI driver issues, and getting the memory settings just right on this thing is, well, challenging. Finally, I just turned off the EPP and ran the Crucial at 1333Mhz for the install. The 9800 GX2s should kick butt even without any CPU or memory overclocking.

Cheers, Jon

P.S. Except for the main unit and one monitor, just about everything has been packed up or is about to be. I need to bag and tag some of the extraneous parts I didn't use or removed, but otherwise it's ready to go out the door as soon as testing is finished and the last two parts arrive.

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On the Mend

Posted by jonljacobi Apr 11, 2008

Well, for the first time in a week I don't feel like a train wreck. Sorry to the winner, but until I make it in to finish testing and packing up... Actually, we're still waiting on a boxed CPU and the USB version of the Xbox 360 controller before we can ship this puppy out. If all the paperwork is finished, that should be by mid next week. We also have to take a few pictures of the finished machine (just the box).

The games tests wouldn't load on the machine according to William Wang of the Test Center. Probably because of all the games already on there. I'll have to do a clean reinstall to get those done I suppose.

I guess this is all a bit anti-climactic and few people are reading anymore. After all, it's just not the same if you don't stand a chance of winning the thing. Collective sigh. Still, must finish the job and all that so I'll be logging till the end.

Cheers, Jon

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With the QX9650 running at 4GHz and the Crucial Balistix memory at 1600, the WorldBench number was 138 which I believe is a record but again only one pass completed with all tests run. The second and third passes failed to complete the FireFox and FireFox/Windows Media Encoder multitasking tests.

I'm trying a couple of passes of those two tests alone to see if I can discover the exact nature of the failure. But then I'll be pulling two sticks of the Ballistix and giving it a go at 4GHz/2000MHz. The 2000MHz memory worked fine when placed in slots 2 and 4 in a 2GB configuration.

Later...

The previously described 2GB at 2000MHz didn't work. It didn't make it past the second test in the first pass.

Kingston sent along 8GB of 1800MHz memory that I also tried but that didn't make it through WorldBench either at that speed. I'm thinking that the 8GB of Corsair is what we'll ship with. I was going to visit Las Vegas this week for my Aunt Perl's 80-something birthday. But I'm now sick as a dog with some sort of sinus/cold/flu thing and that fries that plan unless I'm significantly better by Thursday. Can't be infecting an octogenarian. Actually, I'm not big on the Typhoid Manny deal on any front. I really hate it when people show up for work, knowing they're sick, and risk infecting their coworkers. If you're sick, stay home.

More when I'm feeling better.

Cheers, Jon

P.S. I haven't heard if the winner has responded yet and I'm assuming I will. Maybe there's still hope for you guys.
P.S.S. Ignore the P.S. Sorry to raise false hopes.

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Fun with WorldBench

Posted by jonljacobi Apr 5, 2008

Thumb Twiddling

I'm sitting here watching WorldBench run (not for long mind you) and I thought I'd relay some of the interesting discoveries from the memory configuration process.

First and foremost, when you buy a memory "kit", say a 4GB 1600MHz kit, that's all that's guaranteed to work in your system. You can't just buy another 4GB kit and know the 8GB will work under all conditions. It may, but there's no vendor guarantee. This is really only an issue on the bleeding edge, but it's worth noting that there are no 8GB kits. I'm going to have some long talks with memory vendors after the dust has cleared and I'll be able to offer more particulars. All I can say to you system builders out there is that both "Bleeding Edge" and "Beta" start with a "B".

Our preliminary test run at 3.66GHz with 4GB of 1600MHz memory garnered a 133 WorldBench score. That's about 3 points shy of the record I believe, but there's a lot of headroom here. Currently we're running the same config but with 8GB. Worldbench kept hanging with the memory voltage at only 1.8 and the northbridge at 1.3 so I bumped those up to 2.0 and 1.45 respectively. These are the highest "safe" settings in the EVGA 790i Ultra Sli's BIOS. nVidia has done a nice job in that regard. "Safe" voltages are in green, greater voltages that might be dicey are in red. Nice touch. The 790i SLI Ultra also has lots of pre-configured overclocking settings so it's very friendly in that regard.

Later...

I managed to finish one run of the 8GB and the score was 135. Unfortunately, the Firefox 2 and Firefox/Windows Media Encoder multitasking portions didn't complete during the 2nd and third passes so that's not official. The Test Center's William Wang will be back on Monday to continue official testing. I'm going to switch to the Crucial Ballistix 2000MHz and run it overnight and see what I find in the morning.

Even Later...

With 4GB, the Crucial 2000MHz wasn't stable in the least, freezing, and failing the Vista memory diagnostic. At 1600MHz it seems to be fine. We may not be able to go 200MHz with 4GB. Drat. Before I left, I cranked the QX9650 up to 4GHz (upped the voltage to 1.45) and left it running with the Crucial at 1600MHz, hopefully it will be fine and have completed three runs when I return. I didn't have to increase the CPU voltage at all for 3.66GHz.

While high WorldBench numbers are nice, speed was not the sole criteria for this machine. It was meant to be well-rounded PC equally equally suited to a number of different tasks. We'll probably break the record, but I expect a number of machines to eclipse the mark in the near future with the latest hardware.

Skulltrail IS Fast

I said it once before about the D5400XS that I had to forsake. It was FAST. It didn't show up in our tests, but subjectively I have never, ever seen Windows behave that snappily. I initially attributed that to the SSDs, but it was really the D5400XS. That said, there were reasons behind the decision to ditch it that readers have asked about. Subsequently, I found out that the eSATA not working was probably more the fault of the Adaptec 3405's BIOS, but that revelation wasn't enough to bring the Skulltrail back.

The reasons the D5400XS left the build were as follows.

1. Blocked slots. I couldn't use the E-MU 1616m sound card because the SLI graphics cards blocked the PCI slots.

2. Thermals. The 800MHz FB DDR2 memory ran very hot. The CPUs gave off a lot of heat, and cooling two CPUs was going to mean coolant tubing running all over the place. Also, the stock plumping wasn't designed with 2 CPUs in mind. Then there were the two 9800 GX2 which blow a lot a heat as well.

3. The long boot time was driving me crazy. 30-45 seconds before the LCD even lights up to show you the unit is working is too long for a consumer machine. Intel needs to dump the server boot diagnostics or at least provide an option to bypass them. Check the VGA first and at least let us know what's going on guys.

4. CPU availability. In the long run, I wasn't sure that Intel would continue to provide unlocked LGA771 CPUs. At least in a timely fashion. They may, but they're very expensive and I know they'll continue to provide enthusiast LGA775 CPUs for as long as the socket is sold.

In the end, I made a judgment call and decided that the majority of users would be happier with something a bit more mainstream that boots faster and that they'll be able to drop a new processor into. And the sound card... I hope the winner is musical.

By the way, thanks again to Daniel Snyder and the D5400XS team for the help they provided. Maybe next time.

Cheers, Jon

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I'm Back

Posted by jonljacobi Apr 4, 2008

Just a quick post to say I'm back on the case and will have more later today. I'll be testing, packing, and doing final adjustments over the weekend. The winner has been picked and so starts that process. Hopefully, there will be more Dream PCs coming up so everyone who didn't win gets more chances. And hopefully, it will go a bit smoother next time. B-)

Cheers, Jon

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Slight pause

Posted by jonljacobi Apr 1, 2008

They should be announcing the winner tomorrow, but I'll be winging my way to Oklahoma City on a brief trip and will miss it. The Dream PC is in the trusty hands of the test center's Thomas Luong who's putting it through its paces. Acronis True Image 11 and Disk Director 10 showed up and have been added to the software stack. Thanks to Acronis's Stephen Lawton for that.

I couldn't get hold of the Icemat Siberia headphones so I opted for the Creative Fatal1tys instead. Hope you're all not too disappointed. I'll be packing up stuff this weekend, but we may also run some more tests and do an extensive burn in so the main system won't be in the box till next week. I still have to drain the coolant and tidy things up. Hope the winner doesn't get too antsy. ;-)

Cheers, Jon

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