Quantcast
PC World
You are not logged in, click here to log in.

PC World Dream PC Build

6 Posts tagged with the 3d_mercury tag
7

I figured that while I was at it, I'd throw a couple of tips your way about putting together liquid cooling components.

1. Do not use grease or any other lubricant to ease the process or push/pulling tubing over nipples or flanges. Doing so will contaminate the cooling system. In this case it will probably have no more effect than discoloration, but if you must use something, make it a dab or two of the coolant.


2. Do not use tools such as pliers unless they're extremely well padded. Even then they allow you to apply too much force in the wrong direction making it way too easy to damage components. Instead, use a rag to cover the tubing for added grip. Most people have the strength, but not the gripiness or pain tolerance to force the tubing on. Work gloves with grippy palms are optimal. You won't believe how much of a difference this can make in all sorts of lifting and grabbing applications. I learned about this simple but remarkable trick when I had a moving business back in the day.


4. DON'T SKIP USING CLAMPS, even if you forget to put them on the tube the first time, Pull it off and start again or you WILL have liquid all over the interior. While the connection may seem uber-tight now, heat and pressure will soon loosen it and have coolant leaking all over the inside of the case.


5. Use coolant, or if you simply must use water (it actually dissipates heat better), make sure it's distilled. Otherwise, you'll soon see minerals and other gunk lining the tubes and the same gunk will be reducing the effectiveness of the radiator.


IMG_3670.JPG


IMG_3674.JPG


Notice that there's a fan on top. Why liquid cooling if you're going to put a fan on top? Actually, as far as I can tell, it's not actually for anything except to keep air flowing in the case in the proper direction (front to back). It lights up though!


Cheers Jon

P.S.

6. Once you've added liquid and started the machine, leave the cap off for a few minutes so the air bubbles work their way out more quickly with the zero back pressure.


7. You'll need to add more coolant once the intial batch has worked it's way into the tubing and radiator. It took about 800 - 900 milliliters to fill the 3D Mercury.


8. You might want to use a funnel as these bottles have very narrow necks and just in general to reduce spillage.

The Gigabyte coolant is very thin, much thinner than automobile coolant so don't go trying to use the latter without reducing the concentration significantly.


So far the BIOS monitor says the CPU is running at 36 centigrade which is about 5 degrees cooler than with the Zalman. However, don't put too much stock in that. I've seen the monitor jump between boots for no apparent reason. The thermal diodes aren't always as accurate, or interpreted as accurately as you might suppose.

7 Comments Permalink
0


Now that I'm actually putting everything in the case, I'm getting into blivet issues. A blivet is a five-pound bag with ten pounds of stuff in it. Stuff being the polite term.


Put another way, in a build with so many components there is the possibility of not being able to hook up everything we ordered. Here are the mild trade offs I've had to make and the reasons why.


1. With the second 9800 GX2 in the third 16x PCIe slot, it's difficult to reach the front panel audio header with the cable for the front of the 3D Mercury case. Rather than stretch it to its max and run the possibility of it unseating other wires or connections in the future, I've opted to leave it disconnected. The on board HD audio has been disabled in favor of the Emu 1616m anyway, which has a very nice breakout box. If you need to attach a headset, simply enable the on board audio and use the back panel hook up. Or, get 1/8-inch to 1/4-inch phone jack adapters and use the 1616m breakout box's super high-quality I/O.


2. While I'd hoped to mount a USB floppy/card reader internally, there are only two USB headers, both of which go to the 3D Mercury's front panel, so I'm going with external units. If you plan to leave the chassis under your desk. this is the preferred option anyway.


3. Slot protectors? Forget it. You can't see the free slots anyway as they're buried beneath the 9800 GX2s. Considering the excellent performance of the cards, that's really no tradeoff at all.


4. The 3D Mercury chassis has a nice flip open/lock down pressure retainer for the cards. Unfortunately, the big box surrounding each 9800 GX2 runs right up to the back edge and interferes with it closing. I've opted for old-fashioned screws instead of "making it fit".


5. The power connectors for the second 9800 GX2 interfere with the lower liquid distribution unit. Hence, since I'm only using the liquid cooling on the CPU (there's no LC solution for the 9800 GX2 as of yet, the memory runs pretty cool, and nVidia ranted about their thermal solution) I've ditched both distribution units and run a single feed to the CPU. I've left the feed tubes the original lengths so that if the winner wants to reinstall the distro blocks they need only reroute them. This means a little less coolant in the system but a slightly shorter run to the fill tank and radiator.


There are other things that really aren't tradeoffs as such. For instance. As we're using an external USB floppy drive, the onboard floppy controller is disabled. Same deal with the onboard ATA controller. There aren't any plain ATA drives in the system so why waste the interrupts?


Just so the winner knows, the motherboard treats bootable USB thumb drives as hard drives, which is where you'll find them under the boot menu (invoked by pressing ESC at boot time).

SP1 seems to have stabilized Vista Ultimate 64 as regards the two SLI cards. I haven't had it blue screen at startup since I installed it. By the way, Vista Ultimate 32 is in the package in case you want to run that.


I"m still having problems with the BIOS and the Adaptec 3405. Believe it or not, whenever I press DEL to enter the BIOS, the 3405's own BIOS installs fine. Otherwise, it only installs about one out of five times. I think this may have started with the P03 790i BIOS flash so I'm hoping P04, which nVidia said would be out last Friday, fixes it. Otherwise, I may put these drives in a NAS box as a secondary backup unit and slam a couple of 750GB SATA drives inside in their stead. This might be a wise thing from a thermal standpoint as well.


Part of the problem may be the very large size of the 3405 BIOS--the flash update files total 2MB. I'm guessing it's a matter of free contiguous boot rom space, an issue you'll remember the Intel D5400XS suffering as well.


More Monday. And maybe pictures if that situation has been rectified.


Cheers, Jon

0 Comments Permalink
6

Cool, Kewl, Kewlio

Posted by jonljacobi Mar 22, 2008

It seems that Gigabyte never considered a dual-CPU system when they designed the plumbing for the 3D Mercury case. It was only when I started installing the second CPU block that I noticed that the feed nipples on the distribution blocks aren't all the same size. The company apparently only envisioned the two auxiliary spigots feeding less needy components such as the chipset and graphics card via tubes of lesser circumference. Can't say as I blame them. It's been a long time since the last multi-CPU craze.

Looking at the photo below, the CPU feed is on the left, the middle feed shows the smaller nipple, and the third feed is the smaller size capped, giving it the appearance of being the same size as the first at first glance... (the large tube hanging free is from the second CPU cooler block)

IMG_3601.JPG

Notice the flow control valves on the two secondary feeds.

The upshot is that I'm either going to have to run the CPU blocks in series off of one pipe, which has the advantage on cutting down on tubing but means cooling two CPUs with one feed, or find another distribution block with two of the larger size nipples. Running both CPUs off of one line might not keep the CPUs cool enough. I could opt for another cooling solution, but that would really cut down on the kewl factor, and you know it's all about the kewl. B-)

There is an interesting closed system liquid cooler from Asetek (seen below) that I might consider but we'll have to see. I have an email in to Gigabyte about another distro unit. I'll definitely be trying the serial approach before I do anything, though I'll be paying close attention to the hardware monitor in the BIOS when I first hook it up. Currently, the QX9775s are running about 29 to 31 degrees centigrade under low load conditions with the Zalman coolers doing their thing.

lclcsmall.jpg

Cheers, Jon

Addendum: After a comment from a reader, I realize the best approach would be to use splitters. Running in series would mean already heated coolant for the second CPU so it would run substantially hotter--not a good thing. I'll pick up two, one pre-, one post.

6 Comments Permalink
1

Shot the first video today with the uber-talented (He'll have to be to make me look good!) Chris Manners, PC World's videographer. It was a lot more fun than I thought it would be, though staring at a red light and trying to turn my normal ramblings into something more cohesive and concise still isn't my idea of a great time. I think it's scheduled to post next Tuesday. Take a look and tell me what you think--but only if you like it, I'm truly a delicate soul. Nah, just kidding. Blast away.

Seriously, it seems as if there's only one power supply in the universe that supports dual EPS12V sockets out of the box, Thermaltake's ToughPower W1033 and there's supposedly one in the mail. I could've futzed up something with wire strippers and a soldering iron, but though I do good work it wouldn't have felt right. Here's hoping the Thermaltake shows before the end of the week so I can actually fire this sucker up and do something other than point and chant "Shiny, shiny..."

For the reader that requested it, the front panel features from left to right: reset button, power button, power and HD activity lights, fan speed rotary control, backlit water flow indicator, four USB ports, audio in and out, and a IEEE 1394 port. I'd show you the picture I took, but basically it's so fuzzy as to be useless, so I stole the one below from the manual.

Mercury Front Panel.jpg!


L8tr folks.

Cheers, Jon

1 Comments Permalink
1

Paint job...

Posted by jonljacobi Feb 27, 2008

For those that asked about the paint job... (these are real photos on seamless, not concept photos)

http://forums.pcworld.com/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/2679/%21cid_5030DF75-AAE0-4A27-BA97-9A77E2B7A56E%40pcworld.jpg

http://forums.pcworld.com/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/2678/%21cid_DC72EF60-126C-416A-95B7-0951596F0BEF%40pcworld.jpg

http://forums.pcworld.com/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/2680/%21cid_BA249509-ACFD-47DA-A1B2-4DE0C945FB45%40pcworld.jpg

1 Comments Permalink
9

First Build Pics

Posted by jonljacobi Feb 27, 2008

Being a total yutz today, I yet again forgot my camera--after placing it on a table next to the front door where I couldn't forget it! Thankfully, Kellie came to the rescue with her iPhone so here we go.
Here's the stripped down 3D Mercury case. Notice the fans hanging so I can move them out of the way to more easily get the motherboard in place. Also, at the time of this photo the side-facing 3.5-inch bay contained a handy tool kit that Gigabyte provided, but now contains the four 15k SAS drives. Woohoo!

!cid_8DB72BDC-226A-4894-A734-168414FB875B@pcworld.jpg

Below is the D5400XS Intel "Skulltrail" motherboard. Notice the two black cables leading the the front (In the pic). Both sockets are 8-pin EPS12V, only one cable is. Drat. The four cables are attached to the back of the Adapted 3405 RAID card and the graphics board is an XFX 8600GT that I'm using until the multi-board rig shows up.

!cid_6D58335E-AECF-4EDA-8D10-DFF215FE193B@pcworld.jpg

Next up is the Ultra X3. It's modular, but with only one EPS12V connector. May still work if I can get the proper adapter. Notice the length of the X3, then look at the size of the PS cage of the case (above pic) and you'll see a problem. There's an adapter, but I don't particularly care for stuff hanging out the back of the case. Just a bit of OCD--it doesn't compromise the system one whit.

!cid_FE6B29CF-E34A-4C01-864D-52084D6F9816@pcworld.jpg

That's it for today folks. But there'll be more RSN (Real Soon Now). By the way, you all know to search Google if you want to find something on PC World's site, don't you? Someday...

Cheers, Jon ;)

P.S. Thanks to Lonny, Logan and Tiger Direct for procuring or providing all the parts.

9 Comments Permalink

Visit other IDG sites: