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The justice system is certainly broken when common sence leaves.

It used to be a pun "We're from the government and we're here to help you". Now it's both that and "We're from a HUGE corporation and we're here to help you."

Yah right...

Spoken like a true parrot of the Marxist (and Orwellian named) "Free Press." The courts of ruled the FCC doesn't have purview over the Internet, so the Obama-appointed puppets are just seized control as they grabbed GM and Chrysler and the health care system. Liberal fascists like Mr. Fogarty are the worst hypocrites as they collect paychecks from corporations while whining that corporations aren't being controlled by extreme radical socialist government enough. Anyone who is so unhappy with a free competitive market should get out of the USA and move to Cuba or Venezuela.

DirkBelig, on 23 January 2011 - 01:31 PM, said:

-signed Faux news where if it ain't from the right, string 'em up! Commie bastards!!!

DirkBelig, on 23 January 2011 - 01:31 PM, said:

Wow. It cracks me up when I start reading and see the word "Orwellian" by a "righty" who is unwilling to see some of those same "Orwellian" policies that the Bush administration did.

By the way I don't have the time to pick apart your "argument" or whatever that was. I did have time to quickly google which President originally started the car bailouts (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7791999.stm) and you may be shocked to know that it was Bush himself!

Ah heck, maybe I do have a minute: Conservatives like Mr. Belig are the worst hypocrites as they call "Liberals" Orwellian in nature when their own are the ones controlling propaganda (sadly fox news does have the best ratings), surveillance (too many to list), misinformation (one word:Iraq), etc.

Try reading just the Preamble of our Constitution:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Did you see that Mr. Belig? "Promote the general Welfare" is written before "to ourselves and our Posterity." I understand how inconvenient that is for you and yours but unless you would like to be UnAmerican and take that out, I'd ask you kindly to stop posting this misinformed diatribe.

That is all.

I feel like I have posted this twenty times, thats right I have. I have yet to hear anyone respond to this. First throttling service is wrong and illegal. It is also easily remedied and prosecuted by your local city, or county attorney; I know from personal experience with BestBuy.com; when I had to contact the city attorney in Minnesota. The county attorney is an elected official who would love nothing more than to be on the front page of your local paper for having taken down the mean ISPs. This is the proper remedy for this type of situation or any other illegal business practice being done by ISPs. Second, ISPs or any other private company have the right to dictate what content is allowed through their service. The government cannot censor but the private industry can; it is like Apple with it's App Store and porn. If an ISP refuses to carry content that everyone wants, then the competition will; that is just economics 101. Competition drive the market, the market drives everything; if it is a truly free market, void of undo duress and regulation. All the ISP is required to do is deliver the agreed upon service at the price agreed upon; throttling Netflix and P2P would violate that if the customer is paying for the necessary bandwidth needed. Lastly, there is zero reason to get the federal government or any other branch of government involved in something unless there is a problem. If there is go to your county attorney. Almost directly after Net Neutrality was handed down the Obama administration issued a plan for a national internet ID. This is not a republican or democrat issue, this is a freedom and privacy issue.

http://www.cbsnews.c...837-501465.html

http://www.pcmag.com...,2375607,00.asp

So you can go on bashing everyone who disagrees with you on Net Neutrality as some right wing, Fox News nut; but the truth is the truth.

mikedgolf40505, on 23 January 2011 - 04:36 PM, said:

The problem is that it is NOT illegal for them to "protect their network" by means of throttling specific content that uses an "abnormal" amount of bandwidth. In other words, streaming video, voice, and torrents. Comcast has already proven that in court.

waldojim, on 23 January 2011 - 04:56 PM, said:

The amount of bandwidth is something that should be addressed in the contract with the users and I think ISPs will have to start to look at that. But, if you do not let the customer know the terms in advance then I think that is wrong. Of course, I do not care since I do not P2P and when I have downloaded large files they have went through fine.

mikedgolf40505, on 23 January 2011 - 05:13 PM, said:

It is in every contract I have seen. The provider reserves the right to protect their network. At least that is how it is usually written. The problem is that statements like that are too vague. Does Skype REALLY create that much of an impact? Not really. Not if you are paying for 15Mbit cable, as you are only using ~.5Mbit. SO why are they throttling it? Because it hurts their business (IE: you don't buy Comcast VoIP service). THAT is why the FCC needs that sort of control. TO tell these businesses that DAMNIT, I paid for a 15Mbit pipe - now start providing it! Don't give us crap about how that 15mbit is ONLY 15mbit when YOU FEEL like it. We are paying for it, so deliver it.

Looks like I'll be getting rid of Verizon when my contract is up. Credo Mobile doesn't work to steal control of the government away from the people.

DirkBelig, on 23 January 2011 - 01:31 PM, said:

Tell a big enough lie often enough, and Internet-illiterate people will believe it. That's how Comcast and ATT got so big. Well, with that and the full blessings of the FCC.

waldojim, on 23 January 2011 - 05:55 PM, said:

For wired connections, until there is effective competition, these monopolies need to be regulated.

(The phone company was regulated until competition for long distance emerged, and local phone service and utilities are still regulated, and need to be, as 'natural monopolies'.)

In most locations, it is one cable company or nothing. The phone companies seem to have given up on broadband - 756kb upload is not broadband.

In cell data, device subsidy creates effective lock-in, crippling real competition as well

TheDudeAbidz, on 23 January 2011 - 06:24 PM, said:

Go with Sprint if you watch they haven't been in on all the insanity like the other carriers. There is no tiered data it's just unlimited they haven't ever messed with my connection or my bill, and they aren't trying to destroy the way people think of the Internet.

jeneaston, on 23 January 2011 - 03:19 PM, said:

You didn't go back far enough, he wasn't the first. Chrysler received a baleout/loan way back in the early 80's. However they paid all that money back. It help Chrysler do platform building which intrduced the K series with was sold under different badges in the Plymonth and Dodge lines. The minivan was borne from that same money and so was the first SUV when Chrysler purchased Jeep. Those many argue the Ford bronce was the first SUV, it wasn't classified as one.

QUADICON, on 24 January 2011 - 07:54 AM, said:

This is a great 1/3 of an article. Now I want to read the rest of it.

waldojim, on 23 January 2011 - 05:55 PM, said:

Jim I do not disagree with you anything you have said. I pay for 30MBS and I do get it; I test on a regular basis. Insight has been great, but I am sure other companies are not so great. I also do not have a contract, so I am not sure what a contract says. A few quick points, I agree that the terms of protecting their network needs to be more specific and I would suggest that maybe asking their customers if they are doing heavy bandwidth use ahead of time before they sign the contract. It would not be a bad idea to add a separate plan to accommodate heavy users. But the key thing here is that the suggestions I have made cannot enforced by the law; this is a private business. Like anything else, eventually someone will come along and offer their service without throttling. Now I do think that the throttling they are doing to you is illegal and I would suggest taking it to your county attorney. That is one of the two arguments that no one here has addressed or attempted to refute; why not the county attorney and the specter of privacy violations and illegal regulation by the federal government. I would hope we can all civilly agree that a national internet ID is a horrible and unconstitutional idea. That said, I admire your passion and I would be mad if I was not getting my 30MBS and would switch to one of the other carriers in town.

TheDudeAbidz, on 23 January 2011 - 06:24 PM, said:

"That government is best which governs least,"......John Adams
You have it backwards my dear friend. The founders of this country viewed government as a very necessary evil for the advancement of the society, economy and defense. That is why the constitution is a document limiting the powers of the government. President Obama said that he thought that was the main weakness of the document; it did not allow for broader power of the government. The government, while "by the people"; is separate from the people. The people and the government are two different entities. Just remember that what you wish the government could do to someone else, they will be able to do the same to you.