PCWorld Forums

PCWorld Forums: Intel Core I7 V/s Intel Xeon - PCWorld Forums

Jump to content

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

Intel Core I7 V/s Intel Xeon Intel Core i7 V/s Intel Xeon

#1 User is offline   Taha807 

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 4
  • Joined: 08-September 10

Posted 08 July 2011 - 01:00 PM

My Second Post after a long long time
I M Doing Chemical engineering But also have keen interest in computers (Softwares, Hardwares e.t.c). I wanted to Ask a question which is worrying me from a long time. And My Question is that
"Intel has High end desktop processors namely core i7 Or More specifically core i7 Extreme edition targeting at gamers. Whereas there are also workstations called Intel xeon targeting at professionals. As many folks may know that high end intel core i7 is a six core processor called core i7 990x at 3.46 GHZ. But it can't be extended beyond this but intel xeon can be upto 8 cores. I Also heard that core i7 is best for gaming also better than xeon workstations though they r 8 cores while core i7 is only 6 core due to their virtualization ( I don't know what is this Virtualization).So Now my Actual question Starts How core i7 is better than Xeon for Gamers and Xeon for Professionals Like Game Developers Although Both Game Developers and gamers Require Processing And Graphic Capability (Neglecting second one). In term of processing power i think Xeon with 8 core is best than any other processor in the market. Please Explain Thorougly. I will be very Thankful to u folks. Sorry for my bad English i m not native english Speaker.
0

#2 User is offline   coastie65 

  • Moderator
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Moderators
  • Posts: 20,651
  • Joined: 02-April 07
  • Location:Henrico, Va.

Posted 08 July 2011 - 05:01 PM

Hi. Xeon is better suited work stations & servers. As for Cores, I believe they are 4 Cores, but like the i7 9xx Quad cores, they have 8 Virtual cores ( HT ). With the 970, 980x , and 990x ( all hex cores ) then with vitualization, you have 12 virtual cores. I am running an i7 960 Quad in here, but it shows as 8 Cores due to the Virtualization. I have seen some benchmarks from some Xeon based machines and they were some good numbers.
Coolermaster HAF 912 Case....ASUS Z87Pro MOBO.....Intel Core i7 4770k Haswell ( OC'd to 4.6 Ghz ) .... Gelid Tranquillo cooler.... Samsung 830 256 GB SSD.... Primary HDD- WD 1TB Caviar Black SATA III /6.0 .... SECONDARY HDD - WD 1TB Caviar Black SATA II / 3.0....16Gb GSkill Ripjaws Series X 2133 Mhz Memory....Corsair AX850w PSU....EVGA GTX 680 Super Clocked Signature 2 Gb GDDR5 Video Card....Samsung CD/DVD RW, DL, DVD-Ram, w/ Lightscribe Optical Drive....Samsung SyncMaster 2243BWX 22" Monitor..... Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit OS




______________________________________________________________

Gateway FX6800-01e----Intel Core i7 960 ( 3.2 GHz)---- Seagate Barracuda 750 Gb SATA II / 3.0 Hdd---- 6 Gb Crucial 1066 Mhz memory, running in Tri Channel conf-----Corsair TX650w PSU----- EVGA Nvidia GTX 560Ti 1gb GDDR5 Vram ----DVD +/- RW / CD ,RAM/DL Optical drive w/ Label Flash-----Gateway TBGM-01 Motherboard.... Vista Home Premium 64 bit OS w/ SP2; Samsung Synch Master 2243BWX 22" Monitor.
0

#3 User is offline   cyberknight 

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 807
  • Joined: 12-October 09
  • Location:Area 51

Posted 09 July 2011 - 09:55 AM

Hi Coastie,
I think not all Xeons are quad cores, there are even 6/8/10 core processors. But if u are talkin about the latest ones i.e. Xeon E3 based on sandy bridge(32nm), then yes at most they have 4 cores(upto 3.6GHz) & are similar to the sandy bridge i7's. The same 8MB L3 cache, 95W TDP & goes into LGA1155 socket; the only difference is that few have the in-built HD graphics 3000 while others don't.
The Xeon E7's based on westmere-ex(32nm) have 6/8/10 cores. It is tough to say which one will make a better gaming machine. I know the 8 or 10 core ones come with 24-30mb of L3 cache & supports quadruple channel DDR3 ram! But their frequency are just around 2.4Ghz(10core)-2.7Ghz(8core) & they are mostly 130W processors. One things for sure that these are'nt meant for household consumers 'cause they cost between $2k-4k!!
Lookin 4 trouble
U will never know what hit ya
Freakin Fast.... Cyber!!
-------------------------------
Laptop: Sony VAIO
i5-480M 2.67GHz (2.93GHz with Turbo Boost)
ATI mobility Radeon HD 5650, 1GB
4GB(2x2GB)RAM, DDR3 1066Mhz
500GB HDD (5400rpm)
15.5" LCD display
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
1

#4 User is offline   cyberknight 

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 807
  • Joined: 12-October 09
  • Location:Area 51

Posted 10 July 2011 - 06:28 AM

Reply to TAHA:
From what i found, Xeons are specifically meant for servers or workstations 'cause most of them can support multi-processor configurations(upto 8). Those with uni-processor config could be used in desktop, but u can't justify spending $1.5k-3k on processor alone. Plus gaming power is not just about the number of cores, even the software/game/app should be able to take advantage of this hardware. Certain games would do better with higher cpu frequency rather than cores. Moreover for a gamer, the gpu is also very important. Other factors like RAM, HDD also make a difference.

U can't say which makes a better gaming machine, but based on the specs a Xeon(8/10 cores) is way ahead of i7. Here's the fastest 6-core i7
Core i7-990X : 3.47Ghz, 12mb L3 cache, 130W TDP, 3x DDR3 1066, Mult. 25x
The Xeon W3690 is similar to the above but supports 3x DDR3 1333. Both are based on gulftown(32nm) architecture. This u could still consider for a desktop as it goes into a LGA1366 socket & is around $1k.
Lookin 4 trouble
U will never know what hit ya
Freakin Fast.... Cyber!!
-------------------------------
Laptop: Sony VAIO
i5-480M 2.67GHz (2.93GHz with Turbo Boost)
ATI mobility Radeon HD 5650, 1GB
4GB(2x2GB)RAM, DDR3 1066Mhz
500GB HDD (5400rpm)
15.5" LCD display
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
0

#5 User is offline   cyberknight 

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 807
  • Joined: 12-October 09
  • Location:Area 51

Posted 10 July 2011 - 06:53 AM

Here... i found the specs of Xeon-E7
Coming to 8 & 10 cores, both of which are based on westmere-ex(32nm)
Xeon E7-8837 (8 cores): 2.67Ghz, 24mb L3 cache, 4x DDR3 1333, Mult. 20x, $2k
Xeon E7-2870 (10 cores): 2.4Ghz, 30mb L3 cache, 4x DDR3 1333, Mult. 18x, $4k
As u can see its better to prefer a faster i7 or even a quad core i5 running above 3GHz for $200-300. But the best workstations even for gaming could be set up using Xeon provided u use those super-expensive gpu's based on Quadro(Nvidia) or FirePro(AMD) line-up. Something like this
PNY Quadro 5000 2.5GB (320-bit GDDR5, 352 cuda cores)
ATI FirePro V8800 2GB (256-bit GDDR5, 1600 stream processors)
Both are well above $1k, u won't consider these for a desktop!
Lookin 4 trouble
U will never know what hit ya
Freakin Fast.... Cyber!!
-------------------------------
Laptop: Sony VAIO
i5-480M 2.67GHz (2.93GHz with Turbo Boost)
ATI mobility Radeon HD 5650, 1GB
4GB(2x2GB)RAM, DDR3 1066Mhz
500GB HDD (5400rpm)
15.5" LCD display
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
0

#6 User is offline   crazy4laptops 

  • Expert
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 3,169
  • Joined: 20-November 07
  • Location:USA

Posted 10 July 2011 - 09:20 AM

@Taha807 What is your native language? I can write german and spanish, or if you come from russian origin, I can try slavic/serbian/russian/ukranian

Just for a visualization, it's like comparing a 70ft model rocket (i7) to the Space Shuttle (Xenon)
I'm sure the comparison margin is smaller, but its merely illustration of power.

Sure yes both can reach space, but the shuttle can handle alot more in workload...

Real-world example-
I have a server at work running a single-core Xenon 3GHz CPU with HyperThreading... I use it to process a SQL 2000 database/log access card times
All other server operations (backup, sysmonitor, etc.) which include about 75 running processes total according to task manager. Overall system performance is not affected by the database operations... I also use the server to transfer about 50GB of user-entered data each workday...

That is the nutshell/simple view of Xenon, so if you want a Xenon, be sure you have a really big workload because your Xenon will be overkill for general home-business use.

I have the dual-core i5 @ 2.4GHz on my Mac (2 cores + 2 HT cores) I use it to process 8000x4000 pixel landscape panoramas in Photoshop CS5 (takes about 15 minutes) and 4 image panoramas only take about 2 minutes... that unto itself is alot of power!
So what is your planned workload? Are you going to be doing 3D animation? Or are you drawing 3D in a program like Autodesk Inventor?

This post has been edited by crazy4laptops: 10 July 2011 - 09:21 AM

Even the experts started out as beginners
1

#7 User is offline   Taha807 

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 4
  • Joined: 08-September 10

Posted 10 July 2011 - 09:36 AM

View Postcyberknight, on 10 July 2011 - 06:28 AM, said:

Reply to TAHA:
From what i found, Xeons are specifically meant for servers or workstations 'cause most of them can support multi-processor configurations(upto 8). Those with uni-processor config could be used in desktop, but u can't justify spending $1.5k-3k on processor alone. Plus gaming power is not just about the number of cores, even the software/game/app should be able to take advantage of this hardware. Certain games would do better with higher cpu frequency rather than cores. Moreover for a gamer, the gpu is also very important. Other factors like RAM, HDD also make a difference.

U can't say which makes a better gaming machine, but based on the specs a Xeon(8/10 cores) is way ahead of i7. Here's the fastest 6-core i7
Core i7-990X : 3.47Ghz, 12mb L3 cache, 130W TDP, 3x DDR3 1066, Mult. 25x
The Xeon W3690 is similar to the above but supports 3x DDR3 1333. Both are based on gulftown(32nm) architecture. This u could still consider for a desktop as it goes into a LGA1366 socket & is around $1k.


"I wanted to ask My Friend what is virtualization technology found in core i7 & lacks in xeon"
0

#8 User is offline   Taha807 

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 4
  • Joined: 08-September 10

Posted 10 July 2011 - 09:45 AM

View Postcrazy4laptops, on 10 July 2011 - 09:20 AM, said:

@Taha807 What is your native language? I can write german and spanish, or if you come from russian origin, I can try slavic/serbian/russian/ukranian

Just for a visualization, it's like comparing a 70ft model rocket (i7) to the Space Shuttle (Xenon)
I'm sure the comparison margin is smaller, but its merely illustration of power.

Sure yes both can reach space, but the shuttle can handle alot more in workload...

Real-world example-
I have a server at work running a single-core Xenon 3GHz CPU with HyperThreading... I use it to process a SQL 2000 database/log access card times
All other server operations (backup, sysmonitor, etc.) which include about 75 running processes total according to task manager. Overall system performance is not affected by the database operations... I also use the server to transfer about 50GB of user-entered data each workday...

That is the nutshell/simple view of Xenon, so if you want a Xenon, be sure you have a really big workload because your Xenon will be overkill for general home-business use.

I have the dual-core i5 @ 2.4GHz on my Mac (2 cores + 2 HT cores) I use it to process 8000x4000 pixel landscape panoramas in Photoshop CS5 (takes about 15 minutes) and 4 image panoramas only take about 2 minutes... that unto itself is alot of power!
So what is your planned workload? Are you going to be doing 3D animation? Or are you drawing 3D in a program like Autodesk Inventor?

My Native language is Urdu But you can talk to me in English. I Know English. And As far as ur question is concerned. I wanted to play heavy games and also do animation in 3d studio max or Maya, also wanted to use photoshop, aftereffects, illustrator E.t.c but I have heared that for gamers Core i7 is best while for Animation xeons are best. then how can a person do gaming and animation at same pc. And Please elaborate me difference between WorKload and Power Clearly Thanks
0

Share this topic:


Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users