[LiveBrianD]

What do you think of AMD's new llano desktop cpus? Do you think they'll compare to Intel's i3, i5, and i7?

[waldojim]

Not in the slightest. The will have great video performance, and may trump the intel igp. But the cpu is still slow.

[LiveBrianD]

waldojim, on 09 July 2011 - 05:17 PM, said:

Not in the slightest. The will have great video performance, and may trump the intel igp. But the cpu is still slow.

Do you think, say, the E8 will compare to an i5?

[coastie65]

I haven't had time to get up to speed on that. I am still getting a feel for the Sandy Bridge.

[waldojim]

LiveBrianD, on 10 July 2011 - 03:34 PM, said:

waldojim, on 09 July 2011 - 05:17 PM, said:

Not in the slightest. The will have great video performance, and may trump the intel igp. But the cpu is still slow.

Do you think, say, the E8 will compare to an i5?

Until bulldozer ships, expect only marginal improvements in performance. Meaning expect all Llanos chips to perform between Core 2 and i series in performance. Unfortunately, AMD has decided to sit on the current cpu core design WAY too long. I sure hope they manage to pull a rabbit of of their hats with Bulldozer, else it will be a LONG time before they can be competitive again. Referring of course to the high performance arena.

[crazy4laptops]

LiveBrianD, on 09 July 2011 - 03:01 PM, said:

What do you think of AMD's new llano desktop cpus? Do you think they'll compare to Intel's i3, i5, and i7?

I'll be able to test/benchmark the i7 Sandy Bridge in a couple weeks... its that thing called saving money first

But the AMD llano sounds really good! I am interested to see it's full power!

[LiveBrianD]

I just read this: http://www.maximumpc..._specs_revealed
Man, 8 cores? I assume it's not virtual. That looks pretty good. And since, knowing how they've been doing things lately, it'll contain at least entry-level discrete-class ati graphics, and the TDP isn't higher than 125W, this could be a great chip. But I haven't seen benchmarks yet. I wonder how those will stand up to the Sandy Bridge i5 and i7s (CPU wise). I'm betting the graphics will kick the ass of Intel's integrated ones. But why have they only more recently started to make these "APU"s (starting with zacate) when they bought ATI back in 2006? Also, what do you guys think the pricing will be like? I think the A8's highest price is $135 right? Will the bulldozer chips bulldoze (pun intended) the current A2-A8 chips or will they simply be higher end? It sounds like the current A series chips are just something to tie them over until they get Bulldozer released.

This post has been edited by LiveBrianD: 18 July 2011 - 11:58 AM

[LiveBrianD]

Waldojim, I remember you mentioning somewhere about a CPU being "massively parallel", like a gpu. If things were that way, would it work for a chip to be that way, but dynamically allocate itself to regular CPU operations or GPU ones based on what's needed? And better yet, allow a discrete card to increase performance, as I'm hearing gpus can do with the new amd "apu"s.

[waldojim]

LiveBrianD, on 18 July 2011 - 11:55 AM, said:

I just read this: http://www.maximumpc..._specs_revealed
Man, 8 cores? I assume it's not virtual. That looks pretty good. And since, knowing how they've been doing things lately, it'll contain at least entry-level discrete-class ati graphics, and the TDP isn't higher than 125W, this could be a great chip. But I haven't seen benchmarks yet. I wonder how those will stand up to the Sandy Bridge i5 and i7s (CPU wise). I'm betting the graphics will kick the ass of Intel's integrated ones. But why have they only more recently started to make these "APU"s (starting with zacate) when they bought ATI back in 2006? Also, what do you guys think the pricing will be like? I think the A8's highest price is $135 right? Will the bulldozer chips bulldoze (pun intended) the current A2-A8 chips or will they simply be higher end? It sounds like the current A series chips are just something to tie them over until they get Bulldozer released.

To answer what took so long: I would imagine it was quite a hurdle for AMD. Having to keep the Video market going strong, the CPU's were lacking, and making new chipsets that included the AMD video processors (they used the 2600 for a long time in the IGP's). They had a lot to do, and finding time to get research teams together to make the new APU's is probably not easy to do.

That said, I am happy to see the new chips, can't wait to see how they really do - and hope AMD can move on the next level before Intel gets there.

[waldojim]

LiveBrianD, on 18 July 2011 - 05:17 PM, said:

Waldojim, I remember you mentioning somewhere about a CPU being "massively parallel", like a gpu. If things were that way, would it work for a chip to be that way, but dynamically allocate itself to regular CPU operations or GPU ones based on what's needed? And better yet, allow a discrete card to increase performance, as I'm hearing gpus can do with the new amd "apu"s.

I should hope they could work that way. Leveraging that kind of power would be a godsend for CPU's.