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Posted 03 September 2011 - 11:27 AM
Haha well if this is true, The Playstation 4 would the first console from Sony to use the same disc medium for games :-P
The only thing I see that Sony needs to improve upon with Playtation 4 is to make it faster. It takes a while to launch apps (Music unlimited, Home, etc)
The only thing I see that Sony needs to improve upon with Playtation 4 is to make it faster. It takes a while to launch apps (Music unlimited, Home, etc)
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Posted 03 September 2011 - 01:29 PM
ps4 in 2014
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Posted 03 September 2011 - 01:51 PM
I tend to disagree with the opinion expressed in this article... A PS4 coming out that incoorprates the new Solid State Drives would definately speed the system up. They could also add other enhancements that could expand the graphics, ram, and reduce heating as well.. If they play their cards right, A PS4 could replace both the PS2 and PS3 by making in backwards compatible. They could also allow it to play other system games as well... Who would not want a machine that can do it all? Fastest Frame rates on the top teir games, play anything, do anything and in general distance itself from the competition... It would be a great marketing tool for Xmas 2012 and allow Sony to focus on less systems, not more...
Also, the upgrades would allow it to be a leader in the MMRPGS, like World of Warcraft that was susposed to be released on the PS3... The graphic requirements for alot of desktop games could be added to the capabilities of a new playstation..
PS4= combined PS3, PS2 and Desktop PC... then you have something...
Also, the upgrades would allow it to be a leader in the MMRPGS, like World of Warcraft that was susposed to be released on the PS3... The graphic requirements for alot of desktop games could be added to the capabilities of a new playstation..
PS4= combined PS3, PS2 and Desktop PC... then you have something...
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Posted 03 September 2011 - 01:53 PM
Who knows? This could also be the last generation of game consoles as tablet begin to gain in power and sophistication. according to Carmaker, the iPad2 is already more
powerful than the PS2. the next one will possibly be as powerful as the current 360 and PS3.
Times are changing.
powerful than the PS2. the next one will possibly be as powerful as the current 360 and PS3.
Times are changing.
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Posted 03 September 2011 - 01:55 PM
melgross, on 03 September 2011 - 01:53 PM, said:
Who knows? This could also be the last generation of game consoles as tablet begin to gain in power and sophistication. according to Carmaker, the iPad2 is already more
powerful than the PS2. the next one will possibly be as powerful as the current 360 and PS3.
Times are changing.
powerful than the PS2. the next one will possibly be as powerful as the current 360 and PS3.
Times are changing.
Oops! Spellcheck changed what I wrote. :-)
Meant Carmak, not carmaker, for one.
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Posted 03 September 2011 - 04:07 PM
Brynn217, on 03 September 2011 - 01:51 PM, said:
I tend to disagree with the opinion expressed in this article... A PS4 coming out that incoorprates the new Solid State Drives would definately speed the system up. They could also add other enhancements that could expand the graphics, ram, and reduce heating as well.. If they play their cards right, A PS4 could replace both the PS2 and PS3 by making in backwards compatible. They could also allow it to play other system games as well... Who would not want a machine that can do it all? Fastest Frame rates on the top teir games, play anything, do anything and in general distance itself from the competition... It would be a great marketing tool for Xmas 2012 and allow Sony to focus on less systems, not more...
Also, the upgrades would allow it to be a leader in the MMRPGS, like World of Warcraft that was susposed to be released on the PS3... The graphic requirements for alot of desktop games could be added to the capabilities of a new playstation..
Also, the upgrades would allow it to be a leader in the MMRPGS, like World of Warcraft that was susposed to be released on the PS3... The graphic requirements for alot of desktop games could be added to the capabilities of a new playstation..
WoW was never supposed to be released on the PS3 or any console for multiple reasons. As for other system games, assuming you mean something other than PlayStation games, it's a lot more complicated than what you think and there's all kinds of licensing that would never go through.
Other than that, I'd have to agree with you. I mean, why do people go out and buy new computers (at least for gaming)? It's not because it can suddenly do something new (like virtual reality, or 3D, or whatever), but because it's faster and the graphics are better. Both the PS3 and Xbox 360 can be extremely sluggish. Especially the Xbox 360 menus. In other words, if they made a PS4 that was noticeably faster, about the same price, and could play both PS2 and PS3 games I guarantee it would sell. Other features like 3D game support (especially if it can make any game 3D and not just support games with native 3D) and Wireless HDMI would just be icing on the cake.
Edit: Oh, and native inductive charging for the controllers... whether it be a pad or on top of the console. That would be awesome.
This post has been edited by daniel142005: 03 September 2011 - 04:09 PM
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Posted 04 September 2011 - 04:07 AM
daniel142005, on 03 September 2011 - 04:07 PM, said:
Brynn217, on 03 September 2011 - 01:51 PM, said:
I tend to disagree with the opinion expressed in this article... A PS4 coming out that incoorprates the new Solid State Drives would definately speed the system up. They could also add other enhancements that could expand the graphics, ram, and reduce heating as well.. If they play their cards right, A PS4 could replace both the PS2 and PS3 by making in backwards compatible. They could also allow it to play other system games as well... Who would not want a machine that can do it all? Fastest Frame rates on the top teir games, play anything, do anything and in general distance itself from the competition... It would be a great marketing tool for Xmas 2012 and allow Sony to focus on less systems, not more...
Also, the upgrades would allow it to be a leader in the MMRPGS, like World of Warcraft that was susposed to be released on the PS3... The graphic requirements for alot of desktop games could be added to the capabilities of a new playstation..
Also, the upgrades would allow it to be a leader in the MMRPGS, like World of Warcraft that was susposed to be released on the PS3... The graphic requirements for alot of desktop games could be added to the capabilities of a new playstation..
WoW was never supposed to be released on the PS3 or any console for multiple reasons. As for other system games, assuming you mean something other than PlayStation games, it's a lot more complicated than what you think and there's all kinds of licensing that would never go through.
Other than that, I'd have to agree with you. I mean, why do people go out and buy new computers (at least for gaming)? It's not because it can suddenly do something new (like virtual reality, or 3D, or whatever), but because it's faster and the graphics are better. Both the PS3 and Xbox 360 can be extremely sluggish. Especially the Xbox 360 menus. In other words, if they made a PS4 that was noticeably faster, about the same price, and could play both PS2 and PS3 games I guarantee it would sell. Other features like 3D game support (especially if it can make any game 3D and not just support games with native 3D) and Wireless HDMI would just be icing on the cake.
Edit: Oh, and native inductive charging for the controllers... whether it be a pad or on top of the console. That would be awesome.
well, i for one didnt buy a gaming computer. i built it from scratch.
anyways. but i dont see personally how Ps3 is sluggish. it's not.
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Posted 04 September 2011 - 04:26 AM
MikeDeGeorgeqj06, on 04 September 2011 - 04:07 AM, said:
daniel142005, on 03 September 2011 - 04:07 PM, said:
Brynn217, on 03 September 2011 - 01:51 PM, said:
I tend to disagree with the opinion expressed in this article... A PS4 coming out that incoorprates the new Solid State Drives would definately speed the system up. They could also add other enhancements that could expand the graphics, ram, and reduce heating as well.. If they play their cards right, A PS4 could replace both the PS2 and PS3 by making in backwards compatible. They could also allow it to play other system games as well... Who would not want a machine that can do it all? Fastest Frame rates on the top teir games, play anything, do anything and in general distance itself from the competition... It would be a great marketing tool for Xmas 2012 and allow Sony to focus on less systems, not more...
Also, the upgrades would allow it to be a leader in the MMRPGS, like World of Warcraft that was susposed to be released on the PS3... The graphic requirements for alot of desktop games could be added to the capabilities of a new playstation..
Also, the upgrades would allow it to be a leader in the MMRPGS, like World of Warcraft that was susposed to be released on the PS3... The graphic requirements for alot of desktop games could be added to the capabilities of a new playstation..
WoW was never supposed to be released on the PS3 or any console for multiple reasons. As for other system games, assuming you mean something other than PlayStation games, it's a lot more complicated than what you think and there's all kinds of licensing that would never go through.
Other than that, I'd have to agree with you. I mean, why do people go out and buy new computers (at least for gaming)? It's not because it can suddenly do something new (like virtual reality, or 3D, or whatever), but because it's faster and the graphics are better. Both the PS3 and Xbox 360 can be extremely sluggish. Especially the Xbox 360 menus. In other words, if they made a PS4 that was noticeably faster, about the same price, and could play both PS2 and PS3 games I guarantee it would sell. Other features like 3D game support (especially if it can make any game 3D and not just support games with native 3D) and Wireless HDMI would just be icing on the cake.
Edit: Oh, and native inductive charging for the controllers... whether it be a pad or on top of the console. That would be awesome.
well, i for one didnt buy a gaming computer. i built it from scratch.
anyways. but i dont see personally how Ps3 is sluggish. it's not.Well yeah, that's what I was referring to since most true PC gamers wouldn't go out and buy one, but the same concept applies, you can just upgrade certain parts easier. I was referring to Xbox's menu's being sluggish, but there are still load times either way. Instant > waiting a few seconds, and better graphics is never a bad thing.
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Posted 04 September 2011 - 06:49 AM
"Then there's also the fact that the PS3 is arguably starting to hit its stride. While it has always trailed somewhat behind the Xbox 360 in Western territories, Sony's products have always enjoyed strong performance in Japan, "
That's utter nonsense. The only region where the Xbox is stronger than the PS3, is home turf (the US). Everwhere else, Europe, Asia, the PS3 kills the Xbox in sales.
". That said, Sony isn't averse to making really, really dumb decisions once in a while -- PSP Go says hello."
Again, in YOUR opinion, I have the GO and a great portable console, it was made fashionable by the media to hate if for reasons I suspect started at Redmond. What's not to like about the PSP GO? Better display, better size, better functionality, better value. Having ALL your games on it, rather than a bag of UMD discs is way better (and that's why it's called GO, as it's designed for on-the-go gaming).
It's only the idiots that couldn't figure out that PSP + 16G memory stick was actually more expensive that a PSP GO with 16GB of internal memory.
That's utter nonsense. The only region where the Xbox is stronger than the PS3, is home turf (the US). Everwhere else, Europe, Asia, the PS3 kills the Xbox in sales.
". That said, Sony isn't averse to making really, really dumb decisions once in a while -- PSP Go says hello."
Again, in YOUR opinion, I have the GO and a great portable console, it was made fashionable by the media to hate if for reasons I suspect started at Redmond. What's not to like about the PSP GO? Better display, better size, better functionality, better value. Having ALL your games on it, rather than a bag of UMD discs is way better (and that's why it's called GO, as it's designed for on-the-go gaming).
It's only the idiots that couldn't figure out that PSP + 16G memory stick was actually more expensive that a PSP GO with 16GB of internal memory.
This post has been edited by MarkG: 04 September 2011 - 06:54 AM
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Posted 04 September 2011 - 07:07 AM
There is nothing stopping you from putting a Solid State Drive into a PS3 right now. I have one in mine right now, and it works just fine.
Brynn217, on 03 September 2011 - 01:51 PM, said:
I tend to disagree with the opinion expressed in this article... A PS4 coming out that incoorprates the new Solid State Drives would definately speed the system up. They could also add other enhancements that could expand the graphics, ram, and reduce heating as well.. If they play their cards right, A PS4 could replace both the PS2 and PS3 by making in backwards compatible. They could also allow it to play other system games as well... Who would not want a machine that can do it all? Fastest Frame rates on the top teir games, play anything, do anything and in general distance itself from the competition... It would be a great marketing tool for Xmas 2012 and allow Sony to focus on less systems, not more...
Also, the upgrades would allow it to be a leader in the MMRPGS, like World of Warcraft that was susposed to be released on the PS3... The graphic requirements for alot of desktop games could be added to the capabilities of a new playstation..
PS4= combined PS3, PS2 and Desktop PC... then you have something...
Also, the upgrades would allow it to be a leader in the MMRPGS, like World of Warcraft that was susposed to be released on the PS3... The graphic requirements for alot of desktop games could be added to the capabilities of a new playstation..
PS4= combined PS3, PS2 and Desktop PC... then you have something...
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Posted 04 September 2011 - 07:41 AM
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well, i for one didnt buy a gaming computer. i built it from scratch. anyways. but i dont see personally how Ps3 is sluggish. it's not.
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When it takes 20 to 30 minutes to apply a freakin patch(which Sony appears to send out every 2 weeks these days), that is SLUGGISH. It drives me insane every time I turn the damn thing on and I get the message in the upper right there is a new patch that must be installed. And very few of the patches even add any new functionality - they are either taking away functionality, or enhancing security.
well, i for one didnt buy a gaming computer. i built it from scratch.
anyways. but i dont see personally how Ps3 is sluggish. it's not.[/quote]
When it takes 20 to 30 minutes to apply a freakin patch(which Sony appears to send out every 2 weeks these days), that is SLUGGISH. It drives me insane every time I turn the damn thing on and I get the message in the upper right there is a new patch that must be installed. And very few of the patches even add any new functionality - they are either taking away functionality, or enhancing security.
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Posted 04 September 2011 - 10:28 AM
There won't be any PS2 or PSP by the time PS4 releases...i can bet on it !
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Posted 04 September 2011 - 01:27 PM
Brynn217, on 03 September 2011 - 01:51 PM, said:
I tend to disagree with the opinion expressed in this article... A PS4 coming out that incoorprates the new Solid State Drives would definately speed the system up. They could also add other enhancements that could expand the graphics, ram, and reduce heating as well.. If they play their cards right, A PS4 could replace both the PS2 and PS3 by making in backwards compatible. They could also allow it to play other system games as well... Who would not want a machine that can do it all? Fastest Frame rates on the top teir games, play anything, do anything and in general distance itself from the competition... It would be a great marketing tool for Xmas 2012 and allow Sony to focus on less systems, not more...
Also, the upgrades would allow it to be a leader in the MMRPGS, like World of Warcraft that was susposed to be released on the PS3... The graphic requirements for alot of desktop games could be added to the capabilities of a new playstation..
PS4= combined PS3, PS2 and Desktop PC... then you have something...
Also, the upgrades would allow it to be a leader in the MMRPGS, like World of Warcraft that was susposed to be released on the PS3... The graphic requirements for alot of desktop games could be added to the capabilities of a new playstation..
PS4= combined PS3, PS2 and Desktop PC... then you have something...
I think that if a PS4 does get made, I bet Minecraft would be able to run on it.
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Posted 04 September 2011 - 03:37 PM
This is a good article. By my observation, many of the people who are pushing for next-generation consoles right now are applying rules of the PC market to the console market. The whole point of PCs is you can always upgrade it and have a "state of the art" experience. The whole point of consoles is you can buy a machine that just works and know it won't be outdated anytime soon.
My only problem with this article is this:
"And this isn't even considering the fact that there's no real need for new tech at this point -- TVs that accept pictures of higher than 1080p resolution are several years away at this point, and even further away for mainstream acceptance."
This is a misleading statement. The current generation consoles can't render most games at 1080p or even 720p. Most games are rendered at around 650p and upscaled to 1080p, so current generation consoles don't acctually display high-definition detail. This IS one thing that would be rectified by a new console release today. For example, the upcoming Wii U is said to render games at 1080p. Aside from this, I agree with the article. Besides, I'd rather have a massive leap in tech later than a modest one now.
My only problem with this article is this:
"And this isn't even considering the fact that there's no real need for new tech at this point -- TVs that accept pictures of higher than 1080p resolution are several years away at this point, and even further away for mainstream acceptance."
This is a misleading statement. The current generation consoles can't render most games at 1080p or even 720p. Most games are rendered at around 650p and upscaled to 1080p, so current generation consoles don't acctually display high-definition detail. This IS one thing that would be rectified by a new console release today. For example, the upcoming Wii U is said to render games at 1080p. Aside from this, I agree with the article. Besides, I'd rather have a massive leap in tech later than a modest one now.
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Posted 05 September 2011 - 11:03 PM
melgross, on 03 September 2011 - 01:53 PM, said:
Who knows? This could also be the last generation of game consoles as tablet begin to gain in power and sophistication. according to Carmaker, the iPad2 is already more
powerful than the PS2. the next one will possibly be as powerful as the current 360 and PS3.
Times are changing.
powerful than the PS2. the next one will possibly be as powerful as the current 360 and PS3.
Times are changing.
What youv'e said here is foolish at most. Ipad's are fun and give the user a new way of interacting with games but don't allow the user to get as engaged or provide a "hardcore" experience. Consoles have lasted this long with handheld controllers as they provide so far the perfect gaming experience. Anything else like "Playstation Move", or "Wii Remote" are at most a gimmick at this time and unless tech developers utilise these features to create some fantastic innovative games. They will always be a gimmick.
Consoles also provide an easy multiplayer experience while huddling up with friends to an ipad doesnt seem viable.
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Posted 12 September 2011 - 09:39 AM
Theoretically they could launch an 8gb/2gbVRAM/QuadCore console with 1tb of storage and blu-ray. I worked it out in depth a couple of months ago, donât remember where I posted it though. I think it came out about roughly 280euros per unit including accessories, packing and shipping. This machine could then launch for 400.
Side note: Iâm a developer, and iâm getting really hacked off with the amount of people saying thereâs no need for new consoles. Why should I spend thousands to develop visual trickery in software when newer kit can do a lot of stuff on hardware? Not to mention the advantages in AI, textures, and everything else. There will never be a 1080p/60fps game on an existing console, either. Do people like buildings and things popping into view thanks to bad draw distance? Do they like stupid AI opponents? Lack of tesselation? Refelection? Where I work weâve abandoned current gen consoles! Because we donât have the money to play in the big leagues graphically on consoles. Hardware limitations have produced huge problems for indies trying to produce quality. Even with incredible free middleware itâs still a task.
Side note: Iâm a developer, and iâm getting really hacked off with the amount of people saying thereâs no need for new consoles. Why should I spend thousands to develop visual trickery in software when newer kit can do a lot of stuff on hardware? Not to mention the advantages in AI, textures, and everything else. There will never be a 1080p/60fps game on an existing console, either. Do people like buildings and things popping into view thanks to bad draw distance? Do they like stupid AI opponents? Lack of tesselation? Refelection? Where I work weâve abandoned current gen consoles! Because we donât have the money to play in the big leagues graphically on consoles. Hardware limitations have produced huge problems for indies trying to produce quality. Even with incredible free middleware itâs still a task.
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Posted 12 September 2011 - 09:50 AM
MarkG, on 04 September 2011 - 06:49 AM, said:
"Then there's also the fact that the PS3 is arguably starting to hit its stride. While it has always trailed somewhat behind the Xbox 360 in Western territories, Sony's products have always enjoyed strong performance in Japan, "
That's utter nonsense. The only region where the Xbox is stronger than the PS3, is home turf (the US). Everwhere else, Europe, Asia, the PS3 kills the Xbox in sales.
". That said, Sony isn't averse to making really, really dumb decisions once in a while -- PSP Go says hello."
Again, in YOUR opinion, I have the GO and a great portable console, it was made fashionable by the media to hate if for reasons I suspect started at Redmond. What's not to like about the PSP GO? Better display, better size, better functionality, better value. Having ALL your games on it, rather than a bag of UMD discs is way better (and that's why it's called GO, as it's designed for on-the-go gaming).
It's only the idiots that couldn't figure out that PSP + 16G memory stick was actually more expensive that a PSP GO with 16GB of internal memory.
That's utter nonsense. The only region where the Xbox is stronger than the PS3, is home turf (the US). Everwhere else, Europe, Asia, the PS3 kills the Xbox in sales.
". That said, Sony isn't averse to making really, really dumb decisions once in a while -- PSP Go says hello."
Again, in YOUR opinion, I have the GO and a great portable console, it was made fashionable by the media to hate if for reasons I suspect started at Redmond. What's not to like about the PSP GO? Better display, better size, better functionality, better value. Having ALL your games on it, rather than a bag of UMD discs is way better (and that's why it's called GO, as it's designed for on-the-go gaming).
It's only the idiots that couldn't figure out that PSP + 16G memory stick was actually more expensive that a PSP GO with 16GB of internal memory.
The PS3 was only marginally more expensive than most bluray players for a long time. There was added value. I know this because I used to work in electrical retail at the time and I've personally sold more PS3's than blu ray players as attachment sales - to people who would never play games. You really can't underestimate how much this market drove the ps3 forward, and even now continues to do so. Many home theatre enthusiasts admire the flexibility. The xbox is kicking it's ass... and rightly so. I can tell you this from a combination of experiences: Sony hate you, they want your money and after that you can go and die. Try dealing with them in business and you'd quickly understand. Maybe Microsoft are the same, but I'd take my chances with them any day of the week over sony.
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