[LiveBrianD]

I notice my x120e idles at about 60C (or when web surfing a tad higher), and with games hits 80C. (remember, the gpu and the cpu are on the same chip here) Is this normal? What are your laptop temps? This is on a desk with the vents completely free. Should I open it up and clean out dust, and maybe try alternate thermal paste? I got this in April or May, so surely there hasn't been that much dust collecting inside. (well, that likely voids the warranty... I have arctic silver ceramique btw, non-conductive)

This post has been edited by LiveBrianD: 19 September 2011 - 04:03 PM

[LiveBrianD]

The CPU is at 100% usage, running disk cleanup (and trustedinstall.exe is open, something that I do NOT trust), and I have a temp of 79C! Dang... the air from the vent is quite hot.

This post has been edited by LiveBrianD: 19 September 2011 - 04:46 PM

[waldojim]

80C is normal for many laptops... doesn't mean I like my temps that high.

[Tunz]

My Latitude D430s all idle in the low 60s. It has never been an issue.

[waldojim]

This Lenovo Idles in the 40's never breaks 70C under load unless I OC.

Really liking this machine

[LiveBrianD]

waldojim, on 20 September 2011 - 10:42 AM, said:

This Lenovo Idles in the 40's never breaks 70C under load unless I OC.

Really liking this machine

You can OC that? That's just a tad higher than my desktop - idle in the low-mid 30s, load in the low-mid 60s.

[waldojim]

LiveBrianD, on 20 September 2011 - 02:38 PM, said:

waldojim, on 20 September 2011 - 10:42 AM, said:

This Lenovo Idles in the 40's never breaks 70C under load unless I OC.

Really liking this machine

You can OC that? That's just a tad higher than my desktop - idle in the low-mid 30s, load in the low-mid 60s.

So far, just the video card. But yes I can.

Right now, I am idling along at 35C... kinda happy with that. The HP idled at 50~60C.

[waldojim]

waldojim, on 20 September 2011 - 03:58 PM, said:

LiveBrianD, on 20 September 2011 - 02:38 PM, said:

waldojim, on 20 September 2011 - 10:42 AM, said:

This Lenovo Idles in the 40's never breaks 70C under load unless I OC.

Really liking this machine

You can OC that? That's just a tad higher than my desktop - idle in the low-mid 30s, load in the low-mid 60s.

So far, just the video card. But yes I can.

Right now, I am idling along at 35C... kinda happy with that. The HP idled at 50~60C.

Ok, playing Fallout 3, with the video card OCd (40Mhz over on my core, and 50Mhz over on my RAM) the temps PEAK at 73C. There is one thing worth mentioning here is that this machine is designed to accommodate a far more powerful CPU and GPU. That right there is probably why it can do so freaking well. The important part to me, is the obvious conclusion that laptop temps CAN be kept down. Most manufacturers choose not to.

This post has been edited by waldojim: 21 September 2011 - 12:29 AM

[LiveBrianD]

So basically, as long as it's within spec for the components, it's fine. Even if it's not good for them to run that hot. Of course, if they make it run hot and the machine dies sooner, you'll have to buy another one. Of course, what they don't think of is that if a guy has a machine (say, an HP) that frys itself, they'll probably avoid HP in the future.

[waldojim]

LiveBrianD, on 21 September 2011 - 02:19 PM, said:

So basically, as long as it's within spec for the components, it's fine. Even if it's not good for them to run that hot. Of course, if they make it run hot and the machine dies sooner, you'll have to buy another one. Of course, what they don't think of is that if a guy has a machine (say, an HP) that frys itself, they'll probably avoid HP in the future.

IF HP is selling you a $300 PC, then it is in their best interests to get you back to buying a new one ASAP. If that means a bit of lax cooling, so be it.

[crazy4laptops]

LiveBrianD, on 19 September 2011 - 04:45 PM, said:

The CPU is at 100% usage, running disk cleanup (and trustedinstall.exe is open, something that I do NOT trust), and I have a temp of 79C! Dang... the air from the vent is quite hot.

trustedinstall.exe is with Windows updates... I feel ya for heat... When processing heavily in photoshop, I can't touch the bottom of my MBP it's that hot!

[LiveBrianD]

crazy4laptops, on 22 September 2011 - 10:42 AM, said:

LiveBrianD, on 19 September 2011 - 04:45 PM, said:

The CPU is at 100% usage, running disk cleanup (and trustedinstall.exe is open, something that I do NOT trust), and I have a temp of 79C! Dang... the air from the vent is quite hot.

trustedinstall.exe is with Windows updates... I feel ya for heat... When processing heavily in photoshop, I can't touch the bottom of my MBP it's that hot!

wow... and I'd think that your machine has better cooling than mine! (though yours likely has a higher tdp too) Fortunately, I keep my laptop on my desk 95% of the time. It's not ergonomic at all to be looking down that much to a small screen.

[waldojim]

crazy4laptops, on 22 September 2011 - 10:42 AM, said:

LiveBrianD, on 19 September 2011 - 04:45 PM, said:

The CPU is at 100% usage, running disk cleanup (and trustedinstall.exe is open, something that I do NOT trust), and I have a temp of 79C! Dang... the air from the vent is quite hot.

trustedinstall.exe is with Windows updates... I feel ya for heat... When processing heavily in photoshop, I can't touch the bottom of my MBP it's that hot!

Wait, your MBP gets that hot?!

Glad I opted for the W520 now...

This post has been edited by waldojim: 22 September 2011 - 04:11 PM

[smax013]

waldojim, on 22 September 2011 - 04:11 PM, said:

crazy4laptops, on 22 September 2011 - 10:42 AM, said:

LiveBrianD, on 19 September 2011 - 04:45 PM, said:

The CPU is at 100% usage, running disk cleanup (and trustedinstall.exe is open, something that I do NOT trust), and I have a temp of 79C! Dang... the air from the vent is quite hot.

trustedinstall.exe is with Windows updates... I feel ya for heat... When processing heavily in photoshop, I can't touch the bottom of my MBP it's that hot!

Wait, your MBP gets that hot?!

Glad I opted for the W520 now...

It is somewhat a matter of it being how they dissipate the heat...some of the heat is intended to dissipate through the metal case...at least that is what I have heard in the past.

I started running iStat Menus on my original MacBook Pro when I got a weird noise. I had suspect that it was when a fan was kicking on...and iStat Menus allowed me to verify that. When the noise started up, the fan speed and temps indicated by iStat Menu would spike. I eventually figured out that the left fan was dying. So, I bought a replacement and replaced it (after cracking up the MBP to replace the hard drive a couple times and the wireless card, I knew where they were and also had some instructions from iFixit).

I know run iStat Menus on my newer MBP. It shows that the temp currently is 51 deg C (not at idle...but not getting worked all that hard...just email and Firefox open at the moment, but it IS driving an external monitor). Fans are running at the "base" speed of about 2000 rpm. I have not really seen this MBP need to spool up the fans too often.

If you want to see a list of temps for Intel Macs that people have encountered, then there is this site:

http://www.intelmactemp.com/list

My original MBP would run at about mid 80s under load, but could get a bit hotter at times. And other than getting too long in the tooth for me to use as my primary computer (mainly because it was limited to a max of 2 GB of RAM), it is still running just fine...more than 5 years after I got it. So, those types of temps haven't seemed to be an issue for it.

[waldojim]

smax013, on 24 September 2011 - 01:52 PM, said:

It is somewhat a matter of it being how they dissipate the heat...some of the heat is intended to dissipate through the metal case...at least that is what I have heard in the past.

I started running iStat Menus on my original MacBook Pro when I got a weird noise. I had suspect that it was when a fan was kicking on...and iStat Menus allowed me to verify that. When the noise started up, the fan speed and temps indicated by iStat Menu would spike. I eventually figured out that the left fan was dying. So, I bought a replacement and replaced it (after cracking up the MBP to replace the hard drive a couple times and the wireless card, I knew where they were and also had some instructions from iFixit).

I know run iStat Menus on my newer MBP. It shows that the temp currently is 51 deg C (not at idle...but not getting worked all that hard...just email and Firefox open at the moment, but it IS driving an external monitor). Fans are running at the "base" speed of about 2000 rpm. I have not really seen this MBP need to spool up the fans too often.

If you want to see a list of temps for Intel Macs that people have encountered, then there is this site:

http://www.intelmactemp.com/list

My original MBP would run at about mid 80s under load, but could get a bit hotter at times. And other than getting too long in the tooth for me to use as my primary computer (mainly because it was limited to a max of 2 GB of RAM), it is still running just fine...more than 5 years after I got it. So, those types of temps haven't seemed to be an issue for it.

I doubt the temps are really a problem for the machines (most of the time), but more a problem for the user. If my desktop CPU hits 60C and video hits 80C, I don't really care, it is not that close to me. But the laptop I have issues with. If it breaks about 65~70, then we are talking uncomfortably hot. Everything over that means it is NOT a laptop any more, just a portable computer. So far, when the Lenovo is not OC'd I can let it sit on my lap playing Fallout all day. When I OC, that story changes a bit, but it usually isn't uncomfortable for about an hour or so...

Not sure how I like the idea of using the case as a heatsink though, at least not in laptops.

[smax013]

waldojim, on 24 September 2011 - 03:47 PM, said:

I doubt the temps are really a problem for the machines (most of the time), but more a problem for the user. If my desktop CPU hits 60C and video hits 80C, I don't really care, it is not that close to me. But the laptop I have issues with. If it breaks about 65~70, then we are talking uncomfortably hot. Everything over that means it is NOT a laptop any more, just a portable computer. So far, when the Lenovo is not OC'd I can let it sit on my lap playing Fallout all day. When I OC, that story changes a bit, but it usually isn't uncomfortable for about an hour or so...

Not sure how I like the idea of using the case as a heatsink though, at least not in laptops.

What?!? You don't want to cook your lap? ;-)

My original MBP got a little toasty on the lap. I could not use it on my bare legs (i.e. when wearing shorts). It was a known issue for the MBPs and MBs when they first came out in 2006.

Considering that I didn't really use the Pro that way, it was not really an issue for me. I do use the Air in that manner a lot while down in the family room, but while it does get a little warm, it is no where near the point of cooking anything.

[LiveBrianD]

smax013, on 26 September 2011 - 05:01 AM, said:

waldojim, on 24 September 2011 - 03:47 PM, said:

I doubt the temps are really a problem for the machines (most of the time), but more a problem for the user. If my desktop CPU hits 60C and video hits 80C, I don't really care, it is not that close to me. But the laptop I have issues with. If it breaks about 65~70, then we are talking uncomfortably hot. Everything over that means it is NOT a laptop any more, just a portable computer. So far, when the Lenovo is not OC'd I can let it sit on my lap playing Fallout all day. When I OC, that story changes a bit, but it usually isn't uncomfortable for about an hour or so...

Not sure how I like the idea of using the case as a heatsink though, at least not in laptops.

What?!? You don't want to cook your lap? ;-)

My original MBP got a little toasty on the lap. I could not use it on my bare legs (i.e. when wearing shorts). It was a known issue for the MBPs and MBs when they first came out in 2006.

Considering that I didn't really use the Pro that way, it was not really an issue for me. I do use the Air in that manner a lot while down in the family room, but while it does get a little warm, it is no where near the point of cooking anything.

I assume the Air also has a ULV CPU, right? Those things actually aren't bad at all, particularly without any big vents. I checked out a i5 11" mba and it was just warm on the bottom. I had an old Dell (14", Pentium 4 1.6GHz, 256MB RAM) that got very hot on the bottom.

[waldojim]

smax013, on 26 September 2011 - 05:01 AM, said:

What?!? You don't want to cook your lap? ;-)

My original MBP got a little toasty on the lap. I could not use it on my bare legs (i.e. when wearing shorts). It was a known issue for the MBPs and MBs when they first came out in 2006.

Considering that I didn't really use the Pro that way, it was not really an issue for me. I do use the Air in that manner a lot while down in the family room, but while it does get a little warm, it is no where near the point of cooking anything.

I would like to keep my lap somwhere between rare and medium rare. Getting beyond that means cooked flesh... not my cup-o-tea.

Can I assume the more recent Macs have done something to fix the problem?

[LiveBrianD]

waldojim, on 27 September 2011 - 01:04 AM, said:

smax013, on 26 September 2011 - 05:01 AM, said:

What?!? You don't want to cook your lap? ;-)

My original MBP got a little toasty on the lap. I could not use it on my bare legs (i.e. when wearing shorts). It was a known issue for the MBPs and MBs when they first came out in 2006.

Considering that I didn't really use the Pro that way, it was not really an issue for me. I do use the Air in that manner a lot while down in the family room, but while it does get a little warm, it is no where near the point of cooking anything.

I would like to keep my lap somwhere between rare and medium rare. Getting beyond that means cooked flesh... not my cup-o-tea.

Can I assume the more recent Macs have done something to fix the problem?

I think so. I remember back in 2007, with the early c2d macs (just switched to intel) felt quite warm when running. Now, they're fairly cool. My dad's 13" mbp (with integrated or low-end discrete graphics I think) stays cool to the touch most of the time.

[smax013]

waldojim, on 27 September 2011 - 01:04 AM, said:

Can I assume the more recent Macs have done something to fix the problem?

I believe so.

I don't use my newer MBP on my lap really at all...especially since I got the Air.

I have not "seen" the complaints really anymore like I did when the MBPs first came out in 2006, but then I don't really spend a whole lot of time looking either.