[crazy4laptops]

What bugs have you found in Windows 8?

Here's one that seems really crucial to businesses, but I don't know if it's me or if it's Win8.

So far I have found that I cannot copy multiple files and folders to a network folder (inside virtualbox for me)

Testing-
Share a folder on a second computer on the network... To get an idea on the scope of the problem, try Windows XP, Vista, and 7 sharepoints.
Now on Win 8, select some random folders with assorted files inside, and copy to the network shared folder.
The results you should see is that only a single folder from Win8 will copy, none of the data/files inside will copy over (mine have ISO and text files inside)

Does that test makes sense?

I am working on a few variables, but I won't get my PC back for a couple of weeks...

[LiveBrianD]

So far, I haven't even been able to get it to recognize virtualbox's video driver properly (stuck with standard VGA, though there is aero), while it won't even run in vmware 7.x.x. (I think Vbox is a bit out of date here)

[crazy4laptops]

LiveBrianD, on 26 November 2011 - 11:25 AM, said:

So far, I haven't even been able to get it to recognize virtualbox's video driver properly (stuck with standard VGA, though there is aero), while it won't even run in vmware 7.x.x. (I think Vbox is a bit out of date here)

Win8 runs in the Mac virtualbox quite speedily!

Also, Windows SmartScreen is just like another layer of UAC. I can only turn it off via Action Center (example attached)

Note, if you change to the Classic start menu, the task manager also changes to classic.

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[LiveBrianD]

crazy4laptops, on 26 November 2011 - 01:16 PM, said:

LiveBrianD, on 26 November 2011 - 11:25 AM, said:

So far, I haven't even been able to get it to recognize virtualbox's video driver properly (stuck with standard VGA, though there is aero), while it won't even run in vmware 7.x.x. (I think Vbox is a bit out of date here)

Win8 runs in the Mac virtualbox quite speedily!

Also, Windows SmartScreen is just like another layer of UAC. I can only turn it off via Action Center (example attached)

Note, if you change to the Classic start menu, the task manager also changes to classic.

You mean 'RPEnabled'? That's the best usability registry hack I've ever seen in my life. I find the new explorer a bit convoluted - who cares about the sharing options and stuff in it? I like the new task manager though, definitely an improvement.

If you click 'More Information' in that prompt, does it let you run the program? I like the centered, larger, window title text. However, the boxy style seems a bit odd - weren't they trying to move away from that with XP?

[crazy4laptops]

LiveBrianD, on 26 November 2011 - 09:01 PM, said:

You mean 'RPEnabled'? That's the best usability registry hack I've ever seen in my life. I find the new explorer a bit convoluted - who cares about the sharing options and stuff in it? I like the new task manager though, definitely an improvement.

If you click 'More Information' in that prompt, does it let you run the program? I like the centered, larger, window title text. However, the boxy style seems a bit odd - weren't they trying to move away from that with XP?

Yes, RPEnabled, but the regedit I found was different than the hits I'm getting now... odd if I may say so, will research it later.

Yes, More info has a few options which I'll screenshot later, and it does let me run the app, but it doesn't have the checkbox like XP....

It's either all or nothing with SmartScreen, and frankly I don't like it. An app signed by e-academy.microsoft.com? wow, windows 8 needs either-
A. A SmartScreen whitelist.
B. A way to allow downloaded Microsoft apps
C. No need unless explicitly enabled (for the non-savvy tech users)

I really wish Microsoft would make an advanced user version of Windows. It would save us techies so much headache!

And I am so glad for Lazarus form recovery! I so wish I had this 4 years ago! Note this thing recovers/remembers everything! It saved my reply to you 5 times already!
https://addons.mozil...-form-recovery/

[LiveBrianD]

Windows already warns you when running a program you downloaded, and mentions whether it has a digital signature or not. I think this has been the case since XP SP2. Smartscreen might be a new thing though, but it sounds awfully familiar.

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I really wish Microsoft would make an advanced user version of Windows. It would save us techies so much headache!

What, one with all those advanced options I use registry hacks for (ex. menushowdelay) exposed in the interface, without some of the stupid visuals (ex. fading menus, which I disabled), and in general the advanced options exposed in the interface more, and then a normal/dumbed down version that's simple and hides those options? Brilliant! I wish I'd thought of that before.

[waldojim]

I recently decided to play with Windows 8 again to see what I could get it to do.

Anyone else notice that AMD finally released drivers for Win 8?! This is great, Fallout actually works now! Sadly though, WoW is broken in some very strange ways. For some reason, WoW thinks I am no longer logging in from my region... not sure what could cause this.

[waldojim]

waldojim, on 29 November 2011 - 03:12 AM, said:

I recently decided to play with Windows 8 again to see what I could get it to do.

Anyone else notice that AMD finally released drivers for Win 8?! This is great, Fallout actually works now! Sadly though, WoW is broken in some very strange ways. For some reason, WoW thinks I am no longer logging in from my region... not sure what could cause this.

Got it figured out. Not sure how well it runs yet, as the servers are down...

Skyrim runs like a freaking champ though. Surprisingly, it does better in Windows 8 than 7!

[LiveBrianD]

waldojim, on 29 November 2011 - 03:12 AM, said:

I recently decided to play with Windows 8 again to see what I could get it to do.

Anyone else notice that AMD finally released drivers for Win 8?! This is great, Fallout actually works now! Sadly though, WoW is broken in some very strange ways. For some reason, WoW thinks I am no longer logging in from my region... not sure what could cause this.

It worked just fine on my thinkpad when the beta first came out, HD 6310 (in AMD E350 APU), and even OOTB the windows drivers were decent, aero and all. I'm not sure if still doesn't work in virtualbox though (last I saw, I was stuck with the generic VGA driver, yet it let me do aero).

[waldojim]

LiveBrianD, on 29 November 2011 - 05:06 PM, said:

waldojim, on 29 November 2011 - 03:12 AM, said:

I recently decided to play with Windows 8 again to see what I could get it to do.

Anyone else notice that AMD finally released drivers for Win 8?! This is great, Fallout actually works now! Sadly though, WoW is broken in some very strange ways. For some reason, WoW thinks I am no longer logging in from my region... not sure what could cause this.

It worked just fine on my thinkpad when the beta first came out, HD 6310 (in AMD E350 APU), and even OOTB the windows drivers were decent, aero and all. I'm not sure if still doesn't work in virtualbox though (last I saw, I was stuck with the generic VGA driver, yet it let me do aero).

We had some very different experiences with the video drivers, to be sure. But now that AMD actually released some, the usability of Windows has gone up tremendously. So far, I have spent an entire day in Windows 8, and will see how long it takes to find something that drives me insane.

[LiveBrianD]

waldojim, on 29 November 2011 - 05:14 PM, said:

We had some very different experiences with the video drivers, to be sure. But now that AMD actually released some, the usability of Windows has gone up tremendously. So far, I have spent an entire day in Windows 8, and will see how long it takes to find something that drives me insane.

Did you disable the metro UI? (RPEnabled) Without doing that, the OS is pretty hard to use, at least for me.

This post has been edited by LiveBrianD: 29 November 2011 - 05:18 PM

[waldojim]

LiveBrianD, on 29 November 2011 - 05:17 PM, said:

waldojim, on 29 November 2011 - 05:14 PM, said:

We had some very different experiences with the video drivers, to be sure. But now that AMD actually released some, the usability of Windows has gone up tremendously. So far, I have spent an entire day in Windows 8, and will see how long it takes to find something that drives me insane.

Did you disable the metro UI? (RPEnabled) Without doing that, the OS is pretty hard to use, at least for me.

Nope. I am taking on the full experience. So far, not too bad.

[LiveBrianD]

waldojim, on 29 November 2011 - 05:41 PM, said:

LiveBrianD, on 29 November 2011 - 05:17 PM, said:

waldojim, on 29 November 2011 - 05:14 PM, said:

We had some very different experiences with the video drivers, to be sure. But now that AMD actually released some, the usability of Windows has gone up tremendously. So far, I have spent an entire day in Windows 8, and will see how long it takes to find something that drives me insane.

Did you disable the metro UI? (RPEnabled) Without doing that, the OS is pretty hard to use, at least for me.

Nope. I am taking on the full experience. So far, not too bad.

idk, I find it rather odd having to go into the fullscreen metro UI just to select a program that I didn't pin to the taskbar. (btw how are you supposed to get programs on the desktop? You can't right-click the shortcut and click 'Send to desktop' right?) And how does this work if you have tons of programs installed? Tons of tiles to look through? I found nothing wrong with Windows 7's start menu. Honestly, if I had a choice between Vista SP2 64-bit and Windows 8 64-bit, I would go for vista, assuming I was not allowed to tweak the registry and use hacks for stuff. It would probably be a lot easier to use, at least in my opinion. I think they'll probably have to provide a way to disable metro though, given that businesses won't like it.

[waldojim]

LiveBrianD, on 29 November 2011 - 05:56 PM, said:

idk, I find it rather odd having to go into the fullscreen metro UI just to select a program that I didn't pin to the taskbar. (btw how are you supposed to get programs on the desktop? You can't right-click the shortcut and click 'Send to desktop' right?) And how does this work if you have tons of programs installed? Tons of tiles to look through? I found nothing wrong with Windows 7's start menu. Honestly, if I had a choice between Vista SP2 64-bit and Windows 8 64-bit, I would go for vista, assuming I was not allowed to tweak the registry and use hacks for stuff. It would probably be a lot easier to use, at least in my opinion. I think they'll probably have to provide a way to disable metro though, given that businesses won't like it.

During the installation, I just made damned sure the program gives me a desktop icon! Once there, it seems to be automatically pinned to the metro start screen. Noting here, that you can also do a search in metro, and pin it up.

[waldojim]

Quick couple of notes: Windows 8 performance has been outstanding btw - even the multitasking performance. I can easily run 3 movie encoding sessions in the background while bouncing around the internet doing whatever I please - including watch netflix. Granted I have a quad core, and an OCd'd one at that... but still. WoW on the other hand, has strange issues, that I think are video driver related. These problems don't seem to plague other games though.
Internet Exploder has been the most impressive part of the experience. First Windows allows BOTH the 32bit (desktop) version, AND the 64bit (metro default) version to run at the same time. Second, rendering web pages is FAST. I mean rendering as fast as old school Firefox 1 fast.

Lastly, the caching is also MUCH improved, it will use about 5GB of my ram as cache while copying data so that it can read at my RAIDs limit of 120MB/sec and throw that data as fast as possible to my 1TB backup drive - so far netting a 100MB/sec AVERAGE transfer rate! Very happy with this.

Overall, I suspect a LOT has changed, and it may actually be change for the better. Keep it up MS!

[LiveBrianD]

waldojim, on 29 November 2011 - 10:38 PM, said:

LiveBrianD, on 29 November 2011 - 05:56 PM, said:

idk, I find it rather odd having to go into the fullscreen metro UI just to select a program that I didn't pin to the taskbar. (btw how are you supposed to get programs on the desktop? You can't right-click the shortcut and click 'Send to desktop' right?) And how does this work if you have tons of programs installed? Tons of tiles to look through? I found nothing wrong with Windows 7's start menu. Honestly, if I had a choice between Vista SP2 64-bit and Windows 8 64-bit, I would go for vista, assuming I was not allowed to tweak the registry and use hacks for stuff. It would probably be a lot easier to use, at least in my opinion. I think they'll probably have to provide a way to disable metro though, given that businesses won't like it.

During the installation, I just made damned sure the program gives me a desktop icon! Once there, it seems to be automatically pinned to the metro start screen. Noting here, that you can also do a search in metro, and pin it up.

Does the metro UI use the regular start menu folder to get those programs there? If not, I imagine you can go there and copy the shortcut onto the desktop. Still, this worked far better in Windows 7 and earlier.

The thing about Internet Exploder is that there aren't any addons on it, and I find ads EXTREMELY annoying, and I do not tolerate online tracking scripts. That's actually part of the reason I abandoned Chrome for Firefox - in chrome, those addons don't work as well.

Now, do you think the average guy will actually see an improvement for having 8GB ram instead of 4GB, just web surfing?


The thing is, from what you've said and what I've found (haven't done much with it yet, currently only have it running in virtualbox), it seems that MS is really working to improve stuff behind the scenes, boosting startup times, making it lighter (aero no longer seems to need a WDDM driver to run, as in virtualbox under the standard VGA driver it has transparency), and in general making things better, but they're messing stuff up with the metro UI that's a bit inconvenient to use on a non-touchscreen computer. Now, I can see that fullscreen metro IE being helpful on a phone, maybe a tablet, or on a media center computer connected to a TV (it's a bit hard to read stuff from 2 meters away on a 46' 1080p tv, I've tried it), but on a regular machine it's a total waste of screen space.

[waldojim]

LiveBrianD, on 30 November 2011 - 03:34 PM, said:

Does the metro UI use the regular start menu folder to get those programs there? If not, I imagine you can go there and copy the shortcut onto the desktop. Still, this worked far better in Windows 7 and earlier.

The thing about Internet Exploder is that there aren't any addons on it, and I find ads EXTREMELY annoying, and I do not tolerate online tracking scripts. That's actually part of the reason I abandoned Chrome for Firefox - in chrome, those addons don't work as well.

Now, do you think the average guy will actually see an improvement for having 8GB ram instead of 4GB, just web surfing?

I don't use addons in IE, but I am sure as people jump on board, the add ons will come. Will the average person see a difference in Win 8? Heck, I can't see the difference... Even when running 10+ windows in IE, and 2 video recoding sessions, I sit UNDER 4GB used.

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The thing is, from what you've said and what I've found (haven't done much with it yet, currently only have it running in virtualbox), it seems that MS is really working to improve stuff behind the scenes, boosting startup times, making it lighter (aero no longer seems to need a WDDM driver to run, as in virtualbox under the standard VGA driver it has transparency), and in general making things better, but they're messing stuff up with the metro UI that's a bit inconvenient to use on a non-touchscreen computer. Now, I can see that fullscreen metro IE being helpful on a phone, maybe a tablet, or on a media center computer connected to a TV (it's a bit hard to read stuff from 2 meters away on a 46' 1080p tv, I've tried it), but on a regular machine it's a total waste of screen space.

My startup times are terrible - namely because of the new boot menu. Beyond that, performance is up considerably. Metro has been a mixed bag, but I am starting to get used to it.

[LiveBrianD]

Well, IE9 was quite an improvement, but still, Chrome and Firefox continue to rule. Heck, even my grandmother uses Firefox.

In my experience with Windows 8, startup times are better than w7 on my actual machines - and the HD I have the W8 VM on only has about 50MB/sec sustained while the other HDs, with W7 on both of them, can do more like 100MB/sec. I'll make a video of what I'm talking about and put it on youtube.

edit: Dang if only camtasia could use more than 2 cores...

edit: Here it is:

This post has been edited by LiveBrianD: 30 November 2011 - 06:26 PM

[waldojim]

One of the questions brought up recently, was regarding how to access installed programs in Windows 8 when you don't have a start menu. I just found the easiest way ever. And believe it or not - MOST gamers already have it running and never thought about it.

STEAM. I only need one desktop icon - steam, and everything else can be launched from it. That solved the important problems for now.

[LiveBrianD]

waldojim, on 03 December 2011 - 01:00 AM, said:

One of the questions brought up recently, was regarding how to access installed programs in Windows 8 when you don't have a start menu. I just found the easiest way ever. And believe it or not - MOST gamers already have it running and never thought about it.

STEAM. I only need one desktop icon - steam, and everything else can be launched from it. That solved the important problems for now.

Hmm... Launching stuff from the start menu, the old way, seems to be easier for me.