[saktheon]

Dear Friends,

I am looking for my Workstation replacement Laptop, which can handle software's like 3ds max 2012 & other softwares (3D Games as well) without any compromise. Budget is not a limit. The laptop shouldn't get outdated for the next 5 years.

I googled some Laptops which can meet my needs, but they all have their Pros as well as cons per customer's feedback.

The list follows,

1. ASUS G74SX
2. HP EliteBook 8760w Mobile Workstation
3. Alienware M17x 3D
4. Origin EON 17
5. Origin EON 17-S

Please someone suggest me to get the right one.

Thanks in advance.

Sakthi

[waldojim]

Lenovo W520

Configured with the 1080P display, and the Quadro 2000m, you are looking at an extremely well built machine that will last. The 2000m is roughly equivalent to the Geforce 555m, and will play any game on the market.

I currently own one of these myself, though I only got the 1000m video card. Even with this card, I have yet to find a game it would not tackle. No, I don't run Skyrim, or WoW on max quality @1080P, but most games are damned close. I can play Fallout 3/nv on max quality @ 1080P.

Maya 3d also seems to run extremely well. Though I have yet to bench it against anything else for comparisons sake.

Here is my advice to you: First, try to get your hands on the machines you are considering. Asus makes some very compelling machines, yet every one I have touched, has always felt cheap. I cannot vouch for lifespan on those machines, as I cannot stand to use them. That said, others may disagree. This is where your personal opinion comes into play. Grab the machine, flex them, type on them, test every thing out. The keyboards, speakers, touchpad, etc. Understand that some companies have earned a well deserved reputation. HP for example, made the most ridiculous move ever after buying Compaq. Their business level support went from unlimited free tech support as long as you own your product to we don't give a damn, your year is up.

Second: Figure out what specs REALLY matter to you. 3dsmax will run well on just about any of the machines below. But you have gaming machines listed, with one workstation among them. Which is more important? The Quadro 1000M and 2000M in the Lenovo above, are running drivers CERTIFIED for 3dsmax. The video card is designed specifically for that usage. If your primary workload is going to be 3dsmax, then find a machine running a pro-grade video card. Namely because of the drivers, and firmware testing. If GAMING is your primary goal, then go with something that has a powerful consumer class card. Also, do you want a quad core, or a higher clocked dual core machine? Again, this depends on your work load. My Lenovo runs a 2.7Ghz dual core for a reason - because it was very cost prohibitive to get into a 2.7Ghz quad core. On average, the turbo boost actually keeps this sucker at 3.2Ghz playing games. Those quads will limit themselves to 2.8~3.0. HOWEVER if you are running 3dsmax as your primary application, then the quad MAY be a better option as it is very well threaded.

Third: You are asking for a 5 year life, in an industry with a 4 year (typical) max usefulness. There is no way to truly prepare for the differences in computing 5 years from now. 5 years from now may actually see massively multicore processors, 32GB of ram or more, or even the realization of APU's actually replacing the CPU (for real workloads, not the kiddie stuff they keep pushing). If this is really a concern, your best bet may be to buy a 'good enough' machine now, and set asside money for another 3 to 4 years from now.

Ok, all of that out of the way, here is what I know about the machines listed below.

First the Alienware, that machine is a beast. It is fast, and powerful. You have an extremely wide range of processors and video cards available. That said, upgrades are EXPENSIVE. I mean prohibitively expensive. A 4GB ram upgrade being about 5x the cost of newegg. They also have very disappointing displays. Color gamut being fairly low, and having ok viewing angles. The cases are straight up metal. These machines are TANKS. Understanding that also makes them quite heavy. If you need something that can take abuse, this is it. Sound quality is excellent on these machines as well. They are also the only machines that allow for optional X-Fi audio - if that matters to you.

The HP I cannot comment specifically on that model, but I can comment on similar machines (they have a lot of them where I work). These machines are fairly well built, somewhat plasticity though. The keyboards are definitely a cut above the norm, and have taken a few key points from Lenovo (eraser head mouse anyone?). The displays can be anywhere from amazing, to ok depending on which display you get. I don't believe HP offers the IPS displays anymore, but it may be worth asking. That model lists the FireGl 5950 as the base video card, or the Nvidia Quadro 3000 (and higher). I highly recommend going with an Nvidia card in this case. Namely because they seem better supported in 3d workstation applications. That machine allows up to an Nvidia Quadro 5010 - which is a damned powerful card - however, don't get that card. The bright side here is that the cooling system CAN handle it, but if you want a machine that runs COOL, then grab the next model lower, or even one further down. If you don't want a fan blasting 80 degree Celsius air into your lap, this is advice worth taking.

Asus makes powerful gaming machines for those on a budget. That budget ideal comes with its own price though. The keyboards are well below par, displays are mediocre on a good day, and the chassis never feel solid. That said, they are designed to keep a cool running machine no matter the abuse. If you want to save money, while grabbing a powerful machine, then Asus is the place to be.

The Origon Eon 17 is running a desktop processor. This means two very important things. ONE: It is going to run HOT. 130Watt TDP is hard to deal with in a PC, let alone a notebook. Then add in 2 video cards, and you have a cooling nightmare. TWO: The battery life is going to be SHORT. This machines desktop CPU is also a gulftown Intel processor. Meaning a 1st generation core i series chip. Any of the Sandy Bridge machines will run just as well in most situations, and will net you better battery life.

Lastly, I have two machines not on your list: The Lenovo I mentioned above first then an interesting candidate to consider.

The W520 is a 15" notebook with an amazing 1080P display - running 95% color Gamut. The video card choices aren't quite as powerful as what you have listed, but the 2000M can still easily handle all current games. This machine also has one of the best keyboards you are ever likely to use. Easily besting even my desktop keyboards. I also get about 5-6 hours consistently on the battery, though I have managed 8 on occasion. There aren't any real major drawbacks, but it isn't perfect either. The touchpad is one of those textured pieces of crap that feels like it will take several layers of skin off. While this machine has a metal rollcage - something Lenovo is famous for - it does not have a metal shell. The lid and very bottom I believe metal, but the deck, and most touchable surface areas are plastic. Speakers are very tiny, and hard to hear. Also, certain power management choices caused problems. Namely that the machine would shut off power to the DVD drive, and would not turn it back on, forcing me to remove the drive and reinsert it (takes about 10 seconds total). I simply disabled that feature though. The other nice thing, is that this machine weighs about 6 lbs. About 1/2 the weight of the machines you listed. Again, not sure if that is important to you or not...

One last machine worth investigating. I have no real good information on these machines, as they are VERY new to the market.
The Razer Blade: This is Razers first laptop, and you can tell quite easily what the goal was - make a truly portable gaming machine. This machine is rocking a 17" display, and keeping the weight down to about 7lbs. It runs a fast dual core i7, and nvidia 555m. It has an all aluminum construction similar to the Apple MBP, and a very different keyboard/mouse layout. Again, not too much can be said for expected lifespan, speakers, etc - as these things are just that new. But they have a great company backing those machines.

Sorry I ended up with a novel... but I think it is important to ensure that you get what is really needed. No one wants to waste $2,000 or more on a machine to find they wasted it. Which reminds me, talk to the companies directly, and see what they can do for you! You would be surprised what they would be willing to do. I have an agent with Lenovo that managed to cut the price of my machine by about $300.

[Dellinsp531]

I would stay away from HP and Alienware.

I would go with this if you have not limit in budget:
http://www.xoticpc.c...200-p-3200.html

[waldojim]

Dellinsp531, on 28 November 2011 - 09:23 AM, said:

I would stay away from HP and Alienware.

I would go with this if you have not limit in budget:
http://www.xoticpc.c...200-p-3200.html

That is the exact same notebook he mentioned with the Origin Eon 17, only a different brand slapped on it.
Alienware machines are very nice, quality machines. There is no reason to avoid them, except possibly BIAS towards bigger, bulkier, cheaper machines.

[saktheon]

waldojim, on 28 November 2011 - 04:26 AM, said:

Lenovo W520

Configured with the 1080P display, and the Quadro 2000m, you are looking at an extremely well built machine that will last. The 2000m is roughly equivalent to the Geforce 555m, and will play any game on the market.

I currently own one of these myself, though I only got the 1000m video card. Even with this card, I have yet to find a game it would not tackle. No, I don't run Skyrim, or WoW on max quality @1080P, but most games are damned close. I can play Fallout 3/nv on max quality @ 1080P.

Maya 3d also seems to run extremely well. Though I have yet to bench it against anything else for comparisons sake.

Here is my advice to you: First, try to get your hands on the machines you are considering. Asus makes some very compelling machines, yet every one I have touched, has always felt cheap. I cannot vouch for lifespan on those machines, as I cannot stand to use them. That said, others may disagree. This is where your personal opinion comes into play. Grab the machine, flex them, type on them, test every thing out. The keyboards, speakers, touchpad, etc. Understand that some companies have earned a well deserved reputation. HP for example, made the most ridiculous move ever after buying Compaq. Their business level support went from unlimited free tech support as long as you own your product to we don't give a damn, your year is up.

Second: Figure out what specs REALLY matter to you. 3dsmax will run well on just about any of the machines below. But you have gaming machines listed, with one workstation among them. Which is more important? The Quadro 1000M and 2000M in the Lenovo above, are running drivers CERTIFIED for 3dsmax. The video card is designed specifically for that usage. If your primary workload is going to be 3dsmax, then find a machine running a pro-grade video card. Namely because of the drivers, and firmware testing. If GAMING is your primary goal, then go with something that has a powerful consumer class card. Also, do you want a quad core, or a higher clocked dual core machine? Again, this depends on your work load. My Lenovo runs a 2.7Ghz dual core for a reason - because it was very cost prohibitive to get into a 2.7Ghz quad core. On average, the turbo boost actually keeps this sucker at 3.2Ghz playing games. Those quads will limit themselves to 2.8~3.0. HOWEVER if you are running 3dsmax as your primary application, then the quad MAY be a better option as it is very well threaded.

Third: You are asking for a 5 year life, in an industry with a 4 year (typical) max usefulness. There is no way to truly prepare for the differences in computing 5 years from now. 5 years from now may actually see massively multicore processors, 32GB of ram or more, or even the realization of APU's actually replacing the CPU (for real workloads, not the kiddie stuff they keep pushing). If this is really a concern, your best bet may be to buy a 'good enough' machine now, and set asside money for another 3 to 4 years from now.

Ok, all of that out of the way, here is what I know about the machines listed below.

First the Alienware, that machine is a beast. It is fast, and powerful. You have an extremely wide range of processors and video cards available. That said, upgrades are EXPENSIVE. I mean prohibitively expensive. A 4GB ram upgrade being about 5x the cost of newegg. They also have very disappointing displays. Color gamut being fairly low, and having ok viewing angles. The cases are straight up metal. These machines are TANKS. Understanding that also makes them quite heavy. If you need something that can take abuse, this is it. Sound quality is excellent on these machines as well. They are also the only machines that allow for optional X-Fi audio - if that matters to you.

The HP I cannot comment specifically on that model, but I can comment on similar machines (they have a lot of them where I work). These machines are fairly well built, somewhat plasticity though. The keyboards are definitely a cut above the norm, and have taken a few key points from Lenovo (eraser head mouse anyone?). The displays can be anywhere from amazing, to ok depending on which display you get. I don't believe HP offers the IPS displays anymore, but it may be worth asking. That model lists the FireGl 5950 as the base video card, or the Nvidia Quadro 3000 (and higher). I highly recommend going with an Nvidia card in this case. Namely because they seem better supported in 3d workstation applications. That machine allows up to an Nvidia Quadro 5010 - which is a damned powerful card - however, don't get that card. The bright side here is that the cooling system CAN handle it, but if you want a machine that runs COOL, then grab the next model lower, or even one further down. If you don't want a fan blasting 80 degree Celsius air into your lap, this is advice worth taking.

Asus makes powerful gaming machines for those on a budget. That budget ideal comes with its own price though. The keyboards are well below par, displays are mediocre on a good day, and the chassis never feel solid. That said, they are designed to keep a cool running machine no matter the abuse. If you want to save money, while grabbing a powerful machine, then Asus is the place to be.

The Origon Eon 17 is running a desktop processor. This means two very important things. ONE: It is going to run HOT. 130Watt TDP is hard to deal with in a PC, let alone a notebook. Then add in 2 video cards, and you have a cooling nightmare. TWO: The battery life is going to be SHORT. This machines desktop CPU is also a gulftown Intel processor. Meaning a 1st generation core i series chip. Any of the Sandy Bridge machines will run just as well in most situations, and will net you better battery life.

Lastly, I have two machines not on your list: The Lenovo I mentioned above first then an interesting candidate to consider.

The W520 is a 15" notebook with an amazing 1080P display - running 95% color Gamut. The video card choices aren't quite as powerful as what you have listed, but the 2000M can still easily handle all current games. This machine also has one of the best keyboards you are ever likely to use. Easily besting even my desktop keyboards. I also get about 5-6 hours consistently on the battery, though I have managed 8 on occasion. There aren't any real major drawbacks, but it isn't perfect either. The touchpad is one of those textured pieces of crap that feels like it will take several layers of skin off. While this machine has a metal rollcage - something Lenovo is famous for - it does not have a metal shell. The lid and very bottom I believe metal, but the deck, and most touchable surface areas are plastic. Speakers are very tiny, and hard to hear. Also, certain power management choices caused problems. Namely that the machine would shut off power to the DVD drive, and would not turn it back on, forcing me to remove the drive and reinsert it (takes about 10 seconds total). I simply disabled that feature though. The other nice thing, is that this machine weighs about 6 lbs. About 1/2 the weight of the machines you listed. Again, not sure if that is important to you or not...

One last machine worth investigating. I have no real good information on these machines, as they are VERY new to the market.
The Razer Blade: This is Razers first laptop, and you can tell quite easily what the goal was - make a truly portable gaming machine. This machine is rocking a 17" display, and keeping the weight down to about 7lbs. It runs a fast dual core i7, and nvidia 555m. It has an all aluminum construction similar to the Apple MBP, and a very different keyboard/mouse layout. Again, not too much can be said for expected lifespan, speakers, etc - as these things are just that new. But they have a great company backing those machines.

Sorry I ended up with a novel... but I think it is important to ensure that you get what is really needed. No one wants to waste $2,000 or more on a machine to find they wasted it. Which reminds me, talk to the companies directly, and see what they can do for you! You would be surprised what they would be willing to do. I have an agent with Lenovo that managed to cut the price of my machine by about $300.

Thanks a lot Elite.... I havn't expected such a detailed, clear comments from anyone. Your views lift me to choose a right machine for the amount i spend. I would definitely contact you before I choose one. Let me ask here r I can get you through your mail ID? Thanks again.

[Dellinsp531]

waldojim, on 28 November 2011 - 01:01 PM, said:

Dellinsp531, on 28 November 2011 - 09:23 AM, said:

I would stay away from HP and Alienware.

I would go with this if you have not limit in budget:
http://www.xoticpc.c...200-p-3200.html

That is the exact same notebook he mentioned with the Origin Eon 17, only a different brand slapped on it.
Alienware machines are very nice, quality machines. There is no reason to avoid them, except possibly BIAS towards bigger, bulkier, cheaper machines.

The specs are same but like you say the brand is different.

Alienware are not good. The hindge break very easy on the last few models that were released. Alienware used cheaped plastics that break very easily. This is the reason to avoind Alienware.

[waldojim]

saktheon, on 29 November 2011 - 03:05 AM, said:

Thanks a lot Elite.... I havn't expected such a detailed, clear comments from anyone. Your views lift me to choose a right machine for the amount i spend. I would definitely contact you before I choose one. Let me ask here r I can get you through your mail ID? Thanks again.

Sorry, I don't really give that out. You can just drop a message on here though, and I will get it.

[waldojim]

Dellinsp531, on 29 November 2011 - 08:18 AM, said:

waldojim, on 28 November 2011 - 01:01 PM, said:

Dellinsp531, on 28 November 2011 - 09:23 AM, said:

I would stay away from HP and Alienware.

I would go with this if you have not limit in budget:
http://www.xoticpc.c...200-p-3200.html

That is the exact same notebook he mentioned with the Origin Eon 17, only a different brand slapped on it.
Alienware machines are very nice, quality machines. There is no reason to avoid them, except possibly BIAS towards bigger, bulkier, cheaper machines.

The specs are same but like you say the brand is different.

Alienware are not good. The hindge break very easy on the last few models that were released. Alienware used cheaped plastics that break very easily. This is the reason to avoind Alienware.

Ignoring the specs, the Origin and Sagger are the EXACT same machine. The difference is in the LOGO attached to it. This is like saying that they cyber power and ibuypower machines are two different things when they use the exact same parts list to build it. Origin has a much better reputation backing them than Sagger.

And sorry to disappoint you, but the Alienware machines are extremely well built. Impressively so considering all the naysayers out there who never touched them. They are metal hinges on metal machines. There is barely any plastic in an Alienware. Not sure where you get your info, but do yourself a favor and pick one up first before commenting.

[Dellinsp531]

waldojim, on 29 November 2011 - 09:13 AM, said:

Dellinsp531, on 29 November 2011 - 08:18 AM, said:

waldojim, on 28 November 2011 - 01:01 PM, said:

Dellinsp531, on 28 November 2011 - 09:23 AM, said:

I would stay away from HP and Alienware.

I would go with this if you have not limit in budget:
http://www.xoticpc.c...200-p-3200.html

That is the exact same notebook he mentioned with the Origin Eon 17, only a different brand slapped on it.
Alienware machines are very nice, quality machines. There is no reason to avoid them, except possibly BIAS towards bigger, bulkier, cheaper machines.

The specs are same but like you say the brand is different.

Alienware are not good. The hindge break very easy on the last few models that were released. Alienware used cheaped plastics that break very easily. This is the reason to avoind Alienware.

Ignoring the specs, the Origin and Sagger are the EXACT same machine. The difference is in the LOGO attached to it. This is like saying that they cyber power and ibuypower machines are two different things when they use the exact same parts list to build it. Origin has a much better reputation backing them than Sagger.

And sorry to disappoint you, but the Alienware machines are extremely well built. Impressively so considering all the naysayers out there who never touched them. They are metal hinges on metal machines. There is barely any plastic in an Alienware. Not sure where you get your info, but do yourself a favor and pick one up first before commenting.

I have two Alienware laptops (never again will get them). Look up M11x hinge problem in google. Plus I had to repair 5 of them so far.

[waldojim]

Dellinsp531, on 30 November 2011 - 09:34 AM, said:

I have two Alienware laptops (never again will get them). Look up M11x hinge problem in google. Plus I had to repair 5 of them so far.

And you are going to make comments on their top of the line, flagship product based on experiences with the bottom of the barrel, econo product? Look up the M17x on google. You will find the exact opposite reviews from your complaints. Better yet, go to microcenter and pick up one of the 12 lb beasts and look at it.

Alienware is not my taste, but I have family with the M17x, and I did get to play around with it for quite some time. They already admitted when it is time, they plan to replace the M17x, with the latest flavor.

This post has been edited by waldojim: 30 November 2011 - 11:08 AM

[Dellinsp531]

waldojim, on 30 November 2011 - 11:06 AM, said:

And you are going to make comments on their top of the line, flagship product based on experiences with the bottom of the barrel, econo product? Look up the M17x on google. You will find the exact opposite reviews from your complaints. Better yet, go to microcenter and pick up one of the 12 lb beasts and look at it.

Alienware is not my taste, but I have family with the M17x, and I did get to play around with it for quite some time. They already admitted when it is time, they plan to replace the M17x, with the latest flavor.

Alienware was a better before Dell bought them. Plus I do have the M17x and the M11X so I do know how both of the them operatate. Also I have fixed a few Alienware after they broke and people brought them to me to fix since the Dell warrenty ran out. I had a Laptop from Alienware before Dell bought them out. It was great. I wish I never sold it. But now I am happy with the Sager line that has give me no problems over the last few year and half.

[waldojim]

Dellinsp531, on 01 December 2011 - 06:03 AM, said:

Alienware was a better before Dell bought them. Plus I do have the M17x and the M11X so I do know how both of the them operatate. Also I have fixed a few Alienware after they broke and people brought them to me to fix since the Dell warrenty ran out. I had a Laptop from Alienware before Dell bought them out. It was great. I wish I never sold it. But now I am happy with the Sager line that has give me no problems over the last few year and half.

Yes the machines were more distinct before Dell. Beyond that, there really isn't any argument. You fixed 'a few' Alienware machines? Good job, At least they aren't plastic fantastics that can't be repaired. You are happier with a cludgy Clevo? Good for you. When your warranty expires, you won't be sending it back to Sagger for repair any more than Dell customers.

[Dellinsp531]

waldojim, on 01 December 2011 - 10:31 AM, said:

Yes the machines were more distinct before Dell. Beyond that, there really isn't any argument. You fixed 'a few' Alienware machines? Good job, At least they aren't plastic fantastics that can't be repaired. You are happier with a cludgy Clevo? Good for you. When your warranty expires, you won't be sending it back to Sagger for repair any more than Dell customers.

The machines were more better built before Dell.

Alienware before Dell used better material and parts.

Dell is cheap with their material and parts and charge a lot for it.

If you have to fixed them, than it is not good. The Alienware before Dell lastested 2 years before needing any repair. Alienware with Dell last less than 1 year and Dell tries to get out of fixing it but saying that it is not covered by the warrenty, which is why I get them to fix.

Have you even had a Sager before?

This post has been edited by Dellinsp531: 02 December 2011 - 09:24 AM

[waldojim]

Dellinsp531, on 02 December 2011 - 09:21 AM, said:

waldojim, on 01 December 2011 - 10:31 AM, said:

Yes the machines were more distinct before Dell. Beyond that, there really isn't any argument. You fixed 'a few' Alienware machines? Good job, At least they aren't plastic fantastics that can't be repaired. You are happier with a cludgy Clevo? Good for you. When your warranty expires, you won't be sending it back to Sagger for repair any more than Dell customers.

The machines were more better built before Dell.

Alienware before Dell used better material and parts.

Dell is cheap with their material and parts and charge a lot for it.

If you have to fixed them, than it is not good. The Alienware before Dell lastested 2 years before needing any repair. Alienware with Dell last less than 1 year and Dell tries to get out of fixing it but saying that it is not covered by the warrenty, which is why I get them to fix.

Have you even had a Sager before?

Sager, no. Cleveo based notebook, yes. Since Sager uses Clevo notebooks, close enough. They are NOT the only distributor of Clevo notebooks. There are other, far more successful distributors.

Have I owned Alienware machines? Again no. EDIT (wow my memory stinks). I do have family that own them. So far my brother (for example) is at 1 year 3 months of perfect happiness with his M17x. It has even taken well to 9 months in Afghanistan. 100+ degree heat, and sand never phased it. Once more, I don't think you really understand how well these machines are made. You are assuming because you got a couple in for repair that they suck. A very poor statistic to be using.

I assume you think Sager is the best because you never see them in for repair? Maybe you should think about how little market they have first, then consider the chances of people having them, and then factor in the chances of them bringing one to you for repair. That number is bound to be extremely low.

This post has been edited by waldojim: 02 December 2011 - 05:00 PM

[Dellinsp531]

It is not close. Sager is a different with it's Clevo.

Plus I have had a few Sager and Clevo for repair but I never had to remove the case of them and put them into a new case. The alienware you have to remove the case and put it in a new case since the plastic is cheap after it breaks. I had a client super glue the case thinking that it will holded. I told them that it would not work. The super glue held the plastic case for about 5 days before the guy came back and payed me to put into a new case. It was a pain getting some of the super glue off since it went into the laptops parts. Where has the common sense gone?

Plus I do own an Alienware so I am basing my facts on that plus on the amount of work that I have had to put into the once that I own. Plus the once that come to the shop for repair. Plus I have read several reviews.

You are basing yours on one laptop. I have repaired more than 100 (about 20 before dell and about 80 after Dell), own about 2 after dell, and 3 before Dell, and read several articles.

Well than your brother must have got a better one than the once I have seen/repaired and own.

This post has been edited by Dellinsp531: 05 December 2011 - 07:57 AM

[waldojim]

Dellinsp531, on 05 December 2011 - 07:33 AM, said:

It is not close. Sager is a different with it's Clevo.

Plus I have had a few Sager and Clevo for repair but I never had to remove the case of them and put them into a new case. The alienware you have to remove the case and put it in a new case since the plastic is cheap after it breaks. I had a client super glue the case thinking that it will holded. I told them that it would not work. The super glue held the plastic case for about 5 days before the guy came back and payed me to put into a new case. It was a pain getting some of the super glue off since it went into the laptops parts. Where has the common sense gone?

Plus I do own an Alienware so I am basing my facts on that plus on the amount of work that I have had to put into the once that I own. Plus the once that come to the shop for repair. Plus I have read several reviews.

You are basing yours on one laptop. I have repaired more than 100 (about 20 before dell and about 80 after Dell), own about 2 after dell, and 3 before Dell, and read several articles.

Well than your brother must have got a better one than the once I have seen/repaired and own.

Talk about living in denial. Sorry dude. Clevo made the machine. End of story. Sager used a Clevo machine, and slapped their name on it. That machine is no more a Sager notebook than my truck is a Mitsubishi (note that while it does say Mitsubishi on the front, Dodge made the truck). If you can't be honest about the machine, then I doubt you can be truly honest about the Alienware experiences either.

Good day to you sir.

[Dellinsp531]

Well I have been honest so let say we agree to disagree. Have a good day to you as well.

This post has been edited by Dellinsp531: 05 December 2011 - 01:24 PM

[LiveBrianD]

Yep, I did a quick google search and Sager machines are in fact made by Clevo.

[HG]

I agree alienware where better before Dell bought them.

After reading several of your post, i went out an bought a Sager and it is great. I have ha it for 2 weeks now. It is better then the alienware M17X that I had. Thanks Dell for a great recommandation

[waldojim]

This was already known. The great master of ignoring what is right in front of him even admitted it. But somehow, people seem to think that Clevo is going to drop a machine of one quality on one person, then sell the exact same machine (down to the very details!) to another using inferior parts... It amazes me what people will make up in their minds to defend a company.