[undone]

I'm new to computers and there is a lot I have to learn, I have a Dell Inspiron 1545 laptop using a Vista Home Premium OS on a 64 bit platform it has an Intel Core 2 Duo cpu t6400 @ 2.00HZ with 4.00GB of memory. I want to upgrade to the Win 7 OS and I want to use the XP virtual program but my cpu is not built for virtual a program so I have to change to a cpu that will do that. I've been trying to find a cpu that will do that, I've gone to Intel and can't find any easy reference to it, I can't find AMD-VT for some reason and I haven't tried to find VIA-VT but I don't expect any success with that too. I've tried using the brand name to see what I can find but there isn't anything there that helps either so I'm wondering if there is any site where I can find a virtual cpu from all the manufacturers, their prices and their performances as well for my laptop? Any help would be appreciated thanks.

[coastie65]

Hi. First, if that is an Intel based laptop, then AMD is out of the question, short of going to an AMD socketed motherboard. Not sure of the Intel proceesors for that socket that has VT capabilities, not to mention that changing processors in a lappy is no walk in the park.

[LiveBrianD]

So your virtualization program requires that you have hardware virtualization, a CPU feature? Your CPU does NOT have virtualization support. http://ark.intel.com...-800-MHz-FSB%29 Sorry. Otherwise, if it did but was not detected, I'd tell you to go into the bios and look for 'VT' and enable it.

[waldojim]

The Windows XP mode for Windows 7 no longer requires hardware acceleration (VT). You can use what you have, though it won't be as efficient.

Use what you have, and remember that any new machine running an Intel i5/i7 or AMD Phenom or 'A' series CPU/APU will also support those functions in the future.

[LiveBrianD]

Just curious, how is it less efficient? Even so, I remember when I built my i5 machine that the clarkdale i5s did NOT have virtualization (those are the dual-core ones, really the same as the i3s), but the lynnfield i5s DID (the quad-cores), which is why I went for one of those, figuring that it wouldn't hurt since I run VMs sometimes.

[waldojim]

The i5 650 (lowest model) supports not only VT but VT-D.

VT is a hardware virtualization. All the Processor functions, video functions, etc are handled directly by the processor. Without VT, vmware and the like are forced to use software calls delaying things considerably.

[undone]

coastie65, on 23 December 2011 - 03:59 PM, said:

Hi. First, if that is an Intel based laptop, then AMD is out of the question, short of going to an AMD socketed motherboard. Not sure of the Intel proceesors for that socket that has VT capabilities, not to mention that changing processors in a lappy is no walk in the park.

Hey coastie65; Sorry I took so long to reply but I've been a little under the weather the last few days, I appreciate what you say and the effort you put into it but it really didn't answer my question. I didn't know that AMD couldn't be used in my Intel motherboard I'm used to working around cars and you can buy after market stuff for any engine/car you have and I thought it'd be the same thing with computers. I don't know what you mean by saying that changing cpu's is difficult, I've seen videos of this sort of thing and it's only a matter of a few screws to be removed and replaced to change cpu's. Unless your saying changing from a cpu that doesn't have a VT capability to one that does is the problem? The laptop can be had with or without a VT cpu so I don't see it as being a problem but then as I've said I'm new to computers and there is a lot to learn.
What I really wanted and what I asked for was a web site where I could find information about VT cpu's for my computer, is there any place I can go to where I can type in the type of computer I have and the cpu I am looking for and finding the information relevent to what I'm looking for. That was the question I wanted an answer too and if you know what that is please let me know, thanks.

[undone]

LiveBrianD, on 23 December 2011 - 04:26 PM, said:

So your virtualization program requires that you have hardware virtualization, a CPU feature? Your CPU does NOT have virtualization support. http://ark.intel.com...-800-MHz-FSB%29 Sorry. Otherwise, if it did but was not detected, I'd tell you to go into the bios and look for 'VT' and enable it.

Hi LiveBrianD; Sorry I took so long to reply, I wasn't really asking this sort of question, I already know (at least a test told me so) that the cpu in my laptop was not VT capable so telling me about it didn't help. I don't know why you sent me to a web site that shows me the same cpu in my computer isn't VT capable again because I already know that. What I asked was if there was a web site where I could type in the name of my computer and type in the cpu that I need to use VT, if you can help me with that question I would very much appreciate it. Thanks for all your effort I appreciate the time you took but you've told me something I already know. Thanks.

[undone]

waldojim, on 23 December 2011 - 08:07 PM, said:

The Windows XP mode for Windows 7 no longer requires hardware acceleration (VT). You can use what you have, though it won't be as efficient.

Use what you have, and remember that any new machine running an Intel i5/i7 or AMD Phenom or 'A' series CPU/APU will also support those functions in the future.

Hey waldojim; Sorry I took so long to reply, thanks for the information I didn't know that they had changed the requirement that's good to hear so I can go to Win 7 and use the virtual XP mode without the cpu being VT capable right? I didn't really ask that question but I can see now that it wasn't necessary, good one thanks.

[undone]

LiveBrianD, on 23 December 2011 - 08:57 PM, said:

Just curious, how is it less efficient? Even so, I remember when I built my i5 machine that the clarkdale i5s did NOT have virtualization (those are the dual-core ones, really the same as the i3s), but the lynnfield i5s DID (the quad-cores), which is why I went for one of those, figuring that it wouldn't hurt since I run VMs sometimes.

Hey LiveBrianD; I'm afraid I don't understand this answer, I wasn't asking anything about efficiency I was asking about a VT cpu and how to find one on the web because I need one in order to access the virtual XP program in Win 7. As far as I can tell it doesn't have anything to do with efficiency and more to do with access, no VT cpu no access if that's how you interpret efficiency than I guess that's it but that isn't what I'm asking. Still I appreciate the time and effort you put into the answer. Thanks.

[undone]

waldojim, on 24 December 2011 - 01:09 AM, said:

The i5 650 (lowest model) supports not only VT but VT-D.

VT is a hardware virtualization. All the Processor functions, video functions, etc are handled directly by the processor. Without VT, vmware and the like are forced to use software calls delaying things considerably.

Hi waldojim; Thanks for the information I appreciate the time it took for you to reply but as far as I know I can't access VT without a VT cpu, I'm new to all this so I don't know for sure. Apparently I can't access the VT XP program in Win 7 and I need to change the cpu in my laptop in order to do that and this answer didn't really help but thanks anyway.

[LiveBrianD]

AMD-VT is only applicable to AMD CPUs, VIA-VT to VIA CPUs, Intel-VT to Intel CPUs, etc. That's just what those manufacturers call it, as it's the same thing from the perspective of a virtualization program. Unfortunately, the CPU on a laptop is sometimes soldered in, and there are thermal constraints, so you probably can't upgrade the CPU. Fyi, in a desktop, you can only change the CPU to one that uses the same socket (btw AMD and Intel have completely different sockets from each other), and if there's a CPU available with the same socket as yours it might require a BIOS update (which your motherboard may or may not have).

Wait, I did a bit of searching around and as it turns out you CAN upgrade that CPU. Yours has a TDP of 35W, so I wouldn't go any higher than that on the replacement. Apprantly the P7570 has a 25W TDP and has virtualization support. http://ark.intel.com...1066-MHz-FSB%29 It looks like this may work.

[waldojim]

undone, on 28 December 2011 - 02:27 PM, said:

waldojim, on 23 December 2011 - 08:07 PM, said:

The Windows XP mode for Windows 7 no longer requires hardware acceleration (VT). You can use what you have, though it won't be as efficient.

Use what you have, and remember that any new machine running an Intel i5/i7 or AMD Phenom or 'A' series CPU/APU will also support those functions in the future.

Hey waldojim; Sorry I took so long to reply, thanks for the information I didn't know that they had changed the requirement that's good to hear so I can go to Win 7 and use the virtual XP mode without the cpu being VT capable right? I didn't really ask that question but I can see now that it wasn't necessary, good one thanks.

That is absolutely correct, glad I could help.

[LiveBrianD]

undone, on 28 December 2011 - 02:36 PM, said:

waldojim, on 24 December 2011 - 01:09 AM, said:

The i5 650 (lowest model) supports not only VT but VT-D.

VT is a hardware virtualization. All the Processor functions, video functions, etc are handled directly by the processor. Without VT, vmware and the like are forced to use software calls delaying things considerably.

Hi waldojim; Thanks for the information I appreciate the time it took for you to reply but as far as I know I can't access VT without a VT cpu, I'm new to all this so I don't know for sure. Apparently I can't access the VT XP program in Win 7 and I need to change the cpu in my laptop in order to do that and this answer didn't really help but thanks anyway.

I think you can go into the properties of a VM and enable/disable hardware VT usage. Is your pc completely up to date?

[orlbuckeye]

Here is a tool to tell you if your processor has intel virtualization technology.
http://www.intel.com...ssors/toolspiu/

Also to use the free XP mode virtualization you need Windows 7 ultimate or professional. I believe you could run Oracle Virtualbox and install Windows XP on a virtual machine but you need a copy of Windows XP.

XP mode is free from Microsoft and is seemless (meaning you can put shortcuts to your XP app on your Windows 7 desktop and they will run XP seemlessly like they were running in Windows 7. But they do take longer to load since it loads XP mode also.

Hardware requirements for XP mode on Windows.

•2GB system RAM
•A CPU that supports chip-level virtualization

This post has been edited by orlbuckeye: 11 January 2012 - 12:11 PM

[orlbuckeye]

undone, on 23 December 2011 - 03:30 PM, said:

I'm new to computers and there is a lot I have to learn, I have a Dell Inspiron 1545 laptop using a Vista Home Premium OS on a 64 bit platform it has an Intel Core 2 Duo cpu t6400 @ 2.00HZ with 4.00GB of memory. I want to upgrade to the Win 7 OS and I want to use the XP virtual program but my cpu is not built for virtual a program so I have to change to a cpu that will do that. I've been trying to find a cpu that will do that, I've gone to Intel and can't find any easy reference to it, I can't find AMD-VT for some reason and I haven't tried to find VIA-VT but I don't expect any success with that too. I've tried using the brand name to see what I can find but there isn't anything there that helps either so I'm wondering if there is any site where I can find a virtual cpu from all the manufacturers, their prices and their performances as well for my laptop? Any help would be appreciated thanks.

If you have Intel go here.

http://www.intel.com...b/CS-030729.htm