[RickDobbelmannqbtt]

HankRearden, on 03 May 2012 - 06:44 PM, said:

No, these are conversions techniques. And if you would bother to read the documents you'd see one of them even states exactly what I said, exactly the way I wrote here. Waste someone else's time and stop fishing for links for things you don't understand at all.

So I am wasting your time or you are wasting your time? You make your own choice to respond, not me. Your logic is clearly flawed, goodluck.

[Nuke61]

RickDobbelmannqbtt, on 03 May 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

HankRearden, on 03 May 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

GIMP doesn't know what CMYK is.

?????
http://registry.gimp...xonomy/term/258

A conversion != native support.

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The GIMP, or GNU Image Manipulation Program, is a free and open source raster image editor available for Linux, Windows and Mac OS X computers. For on-screen editing and simple printing, the GIMP works well as a substitute for Photoshop and other professional-grade image editors. However, it lacks full CMYK functionality, making it difficult to output accurate separations for commercial or high-end consumer printing
<snip>
The GIMP lacks CMYK functionality as of version 2.6.11 and this publication in September 2011. However, using a plug-in called Separate can provide partial support.
<snip>
Unlike commercial graphics programs, the GIMP does not allow you live editing of CMYK images in the same way you can edit an RGB image.
Read more: CMYK Output in GIMP | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/...l#ixzz1trgWH9m7

You'd far better serve the Linux evangelista army if you'd just admit its shortcomings in specialty markets like this one. It makes you look far less like you're ignorant of the support needed, or worse, that you're willing to lie in advocacy of Linux.

[linuxrants7xpg]

waldojim, on 03 May 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

Last I checked iTunes was still classified "garbage", for good reason.

And for good reason! It's buggy, crashy, and sometimes the audio distorts. All round horrible app.


Oh.......

Wait....


You meant running in Linux.

Unfortunately true. Not even Linux can polish that thing. That being said, it doesn't work to much worse than it does in Windows. Some graphical distortions is the only difference I've noticed, though I didn't really spend a lot of time using it.

[linuxrants7xpg]

HankRearden, on 03 May 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

The last time I tried to run WINE I think it was version 1.02 or something. It had finally crossed into a full 1.x product. When I went to try Office it wouldn't work. I bought CrossOver because they claimed to make running apps under WINE easy. Photoshop 7 I got to work under WINE, but it had a screwy weird interface problem. Prompt boxes with no buttons, things of that nature. All the fonts for the windows were all weird.

Dude, that was 2008.

HankRearden, on 03 May 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

For Photoshop, printers used 4 negative plates for offset CMYK prints.

...

GIMP doesn't know what CMYK is.

I'm aware of what CMYK is. I had to learn all about for OpenGL programming. I don't remember why I had to care honestly since it's been a very long time. GIMP actually does know what CMYK is. I'll admit that it's support is not as advanced as Photoshop, but then again, most people won't know or care about the difference.

HankRearden, on 03 May 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

And I can tell you GIMP really DOESN'T work and neither does WINE.

Your WINE experience is almost half a decade out of date. When was the last time you tried GIMP?

[RickDobbelmannqbtt]

Nuke61, on 03 May 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

RickDobbelmannqbtt, on 03 May 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

HankRearden, on 03 May 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

GIMP doesn't know what CMYK is.

?????
http://registry.gimp...xonomy/term/258

A conversion != native support.

Correct, dont recall saying that gimp supported on its own, infact i pointed to plug ins that do offer support.

Scirbus can convert cmyk easily.

Scribus, Inkscape, Gimp is a terrible combination and I'm not lying.

Don't be mad at me casue you are the fools dishing out thousands of dollars when you do not need to.

This post has been edited by RickDobbelmannqbtt: 03 May 2012 - 07:45 PM

[HankRearden]

linuxrants7xpg, on 03 May 2012 - 07:41 PM, said:

HankRearden, on 03 May 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

The last time I tried to run WINE I think it was version 1.02 or something. It had finally crossed into a full 1.x product. When I went to try Office it wouldn't work. I bought CrossOver because they claimed to make running apps under WINE easy. Photoshop 7 I got to work under WINE, but it had a screwy weird interface problem. Prompt boxes with no buttons, things of that nature. All the fonts for the windows were all weird.

Dude, that was 2008.

HankRearden, on 03 May 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

For Photoshop, printers used 4 negative plates for offset CMYK prints.

...

GIMP doesn't know what CMYK is.

I'm aware of what CMYK is. I had to learn all about for OpenGL programming. I don't remember why I had to care honestly since it's been a very long time. GIMP actually does know what CMYK is. I'll admit that it's support is not as advanced as Photoshop, but then again, most people won't know or care about the difference.

HankRearden, on 03 May 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

And I can tell you GIMP really DOESN'T work and neither does WINE.

Your WINE experience is almost half a decade out of date. When was the last time you tried GIMP?

I tried GIMP again and WINE again on the 11.10 release of Ubuntu. Tried Crossover at the same time. If you remember I had switched to Kubuntu last time cause I didn't like Unity. With each release I give GIMP and WINE another shot.

[Nuke61]

RickDobbelmannqbtt, on 03 May 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

Nuke61, on 03 May 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

RickDobbelmannqbtt, on 03 May 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

HankRearden, on 03 May 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

GIMP doesn't know what CMYK is.

????? http://registry.gimp...xonomy/term/258

A conversion != native support.

Correct, dont recall saying that gimp supported on its own, infact i pointed to plug ins that do offer support.

Hank said that Gimp doesn't know what CYMK is, and it's true.

I don't anyone is upset here, just pointing out some limitations of Linux software. Denying the issues does nobody any favors.

[linuxrants7xpg]

HankRearden, on 03 May 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

Please, I have used Kompozer. It's nothing more than what netScape had built into the NetScape HTML Composer. It's not even as good as PageMill 2. Yes, I can claim I can do everything I need in BBEdit from Barebones, but that still doesn't compare to Dreamweaver. As a great HTML author you could argue you could achieve the same result. But that doesn't mean BBEdit compares to the ease of Dreamweaver.

Have you tried Amaya? I'm not much into web development, and when I do I tend to use the most fully featured editor available (vi). Amaya seems good though. Don't really know how it compares overall though.

[linuxrants7xpg]

HankRearden, on 03 May 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

I tried GIMP again and WINE again on the 11.10 release of Ubuntu. Tried Crossover at the same time. If you remember I had switched to Kubuntu last time cause I didn't like Unity. With each release I give GIMP and WINE another shot.

12.04 just came out. Sounds like it's time for another go!

[HankRearden]

linuxrants7xpg, on 03 May 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

HankRearden, on 03 May 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

Please, I have used Kompozer. It's nothing more than what netScape had built into the NetScape HTML Composer. It's not even as good as PageMill 2. Yes, I can claim I can do everything I need in BBEdit from Barebones, but that still doesn't compare to Dreamweaver. As a great HTML author you could argue you could achieve the same result. But that doesn't mean BBEdit compares to the ease of Dreamweaver.

Have you tried Amaya? I'm not much into web development, and when I do I tend to use the most fully featured editor available (vi). Amaya seems good though. Don't really know how it compares overall though.

On Linux I have used Kompozer and BlueFish. Mostly was looking for something simple to do corporate newsletters that was WYSIWYG and had basic table support, which both of these have, but I found Bluefish to be very buggy and gave it up. Kompozer worked somewhat okay, but if you make non-standard calls, like a link to {{{unsubscribe}}} it changes it constantly and I have to keep going into it with a text editor to fix the code constantly. I frankly find most of what was said here to be bogus non-sense. And I say that because I've spent time using the tools mentioned here. Most of them I have bought books on and gave them much more than a casual try. In fact, I'd openly challenge anyone who thinks they can match my output in Quark, Illustrator or Photoshop with the tools mentioned here on the Linux side. I'm reasonably sure they will choke and admit they don't have a clue as to how to make those apps do even the most basic things their adobe counterparts do.

As you know Linuxrants, I couldn't speak to so many Linux tools if I had not used them. How would debate things like the dolphin file manager vs gnome if I had not really used Linux? What this guy seems to think is that I have little or no experience on Linux when in fact I've been using it since 1996 all the way down to Mandrake and RedHat, Suse, lots of versions of Ubuntu, plus SunOS since version 5.5 (solaris 2.5) and UnixWare from Novell, which is true Unix SVR4.2. I think I understand what it is capable of. Pre-press isn't one of Linux's strong suites. I wish it were otherwise. Truly. I'm no fan of Adobe's Activation process. Their upgrade fee if I stay constant is roughly $349 per point release. So it's not too bad. But if there were open source apps that were just as good, I'd be using them. So would a lot of people. We're not because the open source community doesn't care what we have to say. Go to the gimp forum. You'll find long threads of guys like me begging for CMYK. I gave up asking years ago. We all get the run around.

The one disparaging thing I will say about Linux is this. They have their own way and if you are with that then it's great. If not, to heck with you. I've been watching people tell me GIMP is a sub for Photoshop for at least a decade. And those that make the claim are clueless. They think all photoshop is used for is photo retouch. They couldn't be more wrong. Photo retouch is maybe 1% of what I use Photoshop for. The other 99% is creating graphics from scratch.

[HankRearden]

linuxrants7xpg, on 03 May 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

HankRearden, on 03 May 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

I tried GIMP again and WINE again on the 11.10 release of Ubuntu. Tried Crossover at the same time. If you remember I had switched to Kubuntu last time cause I didn't like Unity. With each release I give GIMP and WINE another shot.

12.04 just came out. Sounds like it's time for another go!

Yeah, I get the release email. I have not downloaded it this time. I will get to it. Right now I am working on 3 projects that are insanely huge and I have a deadline of October. So I am wrapped up in my work until the products ship. Once they ship then I will play with Linux again, but since that will be around October anyway, may as well wait for the next release. Is this release an LT release?

[waldojim]

linuxrants7xpg, on 03 May 2012 - 07:31 PM, said:

And for good reason! It's buggy, crashy, and sometimes the audio distorts. All round horrible app.


Oh.......

Wait....


You meant running in Linux.

Unfortunately true. Not even Linux can polish that thing. That being said, it doesn't work to much worse than it does in Windows. Some graphical distortions is the only difference I've noticed, though I didn't really spend a lot of time using it.

Unfortunately, one of the many apps that people find a need for. Doesn't work much worse? At least it WORKS in Windows, I have yet to get Version 10 or newer to install in Linux.

[RickDobbelmannqbtt]

HankRearden, on 03 May 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

linuxrants7xpg, on 03 May 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

HankRearden, on 03 May 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

Please, I have used Kompozer. It's nothing more than what netScape had built into the NetScape HTML Composer. It's not even as good as PageMill 2. Yes, I can claim I can do everything I need in BBEdit from Barebones, but that still doesn't compare to Dreamweaver. As a great HTML author you could argue you could achieve the same result. But that doesn't mean BBEdit compares to the ease of Dreamweaver.

Have you tried Amaya? I'm not much into web development, and when I do I tend to use the most fully featured editor available (vi). Amaya seems good though. Don't really know how it compares overall though.

On Linux I have used Kompozer and BlueFish.

So you have not used Quanta Plus? How ironic.
Quanta is better than both.

If you need the "dreamweaver" experience, use Kompozer along side Quanta you will get two programs that work alot like Dreamweaver. Mainly Kompozer for the WYSIWYG and Quanta for coding, css, scripting, etc.

http://quanta.source...ainwindow01.png

WYSIWYG's suck period, unless you do not know html, css, etc...they all leave extra code.

Coding by hand is much easier.

http://screens.alter...3519_2_full.png

This post has been edited by RickDobbelmannqbtt: 03 May 2012 - 09:21 PM

[linuxrants7xpg]

HankRearden, on 03 May 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

Yeah, I get the release email. I have not downloaded it this time. I will get to it. Right now I am working on 3 projects that are insanely huge and I have a deadline of October. So I am wrapped up in my work until the products ship. Once they ship then I will play with Linux again, but since that will be around October anyway, may as well wait for the next release. Is this release an LT release?

I've just got it installed on my Netbook. I'm sticking with Mint for the time being. Don't even plan on upgrading to 13. Especially if it's using Cinnamon. I like my interface.

12.04 is the LTS release. If you wait till October, you'll be catching the 12.10 version. I'm not sure on all the details of what's going to be included in that version vs. 12.04.

[waldojim]

linuxrants7xpg, on 03 May 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

HankRearden, on 03 May 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

Yeah, I get the release email. I have not downloaded it this time. I will get to it. Right now I am working on 3 projects that are insanely huge and I have a deadline of October. So I am wrapped up in my work until the products ship. Once they ship then I will play with Linux again, but since that will be around October anyway, may as well wait for the next release. Is this release an LT release?

I've just got it installed on my Netbook. I'm sticking with Mint for the time being. Don't even plan on upgrading to 13. Especially if it's using Cinnamon. I like my interface.

12.04 is the LTS release. If you wait till October, you'll be catching the 12.10 version. I'm not sure on all the details of what's going to be included in that version vs. 12.04.

I still have Mint Debian on my 160GB drive (swap into my W520 from time to time). It is nice never having to reinstall Linux - just update to the latest and greatest.

That said, about the only change so far is that it has real support for my wifi now. Although you cannot let the machine sleep, else the wifi dies.

Next reason to hate Linux:
http://r3dux.org/201...f-wine-in-lmde/

Quote

Getting the Debian binaries

Wine binaries are available for a whole heap of different platforms, distros and architectures from http://www.winehq.org/download/, but in this case I’m installing on Debian, so if you are too, head on over to http://dev.carbon-pr.../wine-unstable/ and grab the following packages (either 32 or 64 bit, depending on your architecture – I’m using 64-bit LMDE so I’ll use the 64-bit package names for this quick guide):

libwine-alsa-unstable_1.5.0-0.2_amd64.deb
libwine-bin-unstable_1.5.0-0.2_amd64.deb
libwine-capi-unstable_1.5.0-0.2_amd64.deb
libwine-cms-unstable_1.5.0-0.2_amd64.deb
libwine-dbg-unstable_1.5.0-0.2_amd64.deb
libwine-dev-unstable_1.5.0-0.2_amd64.deb
libwine-gl-unstable_1.5.0-0.2_amd64.deb
libwine-gphoto2-unstable_1.5.0-0.2_amd64.deb
libwine-ldap-unstable_1.5.0-0.2_amd64.deb
libwine-openal-unstable_1.5.0-0.2_amd64.deb
libwine-oss-unstable_1.5.0-0.2_amd64.deb
libwine-print-unstable_1.5.0-0.2_amd64.deb
libwine-sane-unstable_1.5.0-0.2_amd64.deb
libwine-unstable_1.5.0-0.2_amd64.deb
wine-bin-unstable_1.5.0-0.2_amd64.deb
wine-unstable_1.5.0-0.2_amd64.deb

That is what a person has to go through to get WINE in Mint.

Someone has lost their freaking mind.

This post has been edited by waldojim: 03 May 2012 - 09:37 PM

[RickDobbelmannqbtt]

If you like code assist, Aptana Studio 3 is supposedly pretty sweet,

http://www.aptana.com/products/studio3

HTML, CSS, and JavaScript Code Assist Aids in authoring of HTML, CSS, JavaScript, PHP, and Ruby. Supports the latest HTML5 specifications. Includes information about the level of support for each element in the major web browsers.

[linuxrants7xpg]

waldojim, on 03 May 2012 - 08:53 PM, said:

Unfortunately, one of the many apps that people find a need for. Doesn't work much worse? At least it WORKS in Windows, I have yet to get Version 10 or newer to install in Linux.

Thankfully, Apple has all but made it redundant.

It works in Linux. I have it installed right now. It didn't even take any fancy configuration. It does have some graphical issues, but that doesn't really bother me since I had no plans to use it anyway.

[RickDobbelmannqbtt]

linuxrants7xpg, on 03 May 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

HankRearden, on 03 May 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

Yeah, I get the release email. I have not downloaded it this time. I will get to it. Right now I am working on 3 projects that are insanely huge and I have a deadline of October. So I am wrapped up in my work until the products ship. Once they ship then I will play with Linux again, but since that will be around October anyway, may as well wait for the next release. Is this release an LT release?

I've just got it installed on my Netbook. I'm sticking with Mint for the time being. Don't even plan on upgrading to 13. Especially if it's using Cinnamon. I like my interface.

12.04 is the LTS release. If you wait till October, you'll be catching the 12.10 version. I'm not sure on all the details of what's going to be included in that version vs. 12.04.

Have 12.04 on my home PC, and one workstation here at work.

I like it much better than 11.04. Using the Gnome shell, kinda getting use to it and its growing on me everyday. Just like 10.04 did.

Still running 10.10 on several machines as well. 10.10 is just rock solid. Plus some of the programs didn't port past 11.04.

[waldojim]

linuxrants7xpg, on 03 May 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

waldojim, on 03 May 2012 - 08:53 PM, said:

Unfortunately, one of the many apps that people find a need for. Doesn't work much worse? At least it WORKS in Windows, I have yet to get Version 10 or newer to install in Linux.

Thankfully, Apple has all but made it redundant.

It works in Linux. I have it installed right now. It didn't even take any fancy configuration. It does have some graphical issues, but that doesn't really bother me since I had no plans to use it anyway.

I actually DO use it - to buy my episodes of DR Who. And no, that does not work (AT ALL) under wine.

[linuxrants7xpg]

waldojim, on 03 May 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

I actually DO use it - to buy my episodes of DR Who. And no, that does not work (AT ALL) under wine.

I watch that on Netflix. As to whether it works in WINE or not, since you "have yet to get Version 10 or newer to install in Linux", how do you know?