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[SaeedJIbrahim]

Good luck with that. You could sooner get the Taliban leave before Apple devotees boycott Apple.

[halofaller]

Wrong. Most people aren't Apple devotees. Yes, the rabid diehards would buy poop in a bag from Apple and think a patent was involved but most people are a bit smarter than that.

The proof is in the lines at Apple stores on new product release day. There are more people watching the line standers and there are standing in line. Sort of like a zoo.

[xyberviri]

I don’t care about china's employment laws because I don’t live in china.
This is like asking people in the US to care about financial laws of Indonesia.
Yes our products are made there but the government is the one that ultimately regulates the working conditions.

Also how is threatening to kill one’s self over working conditions the best way to protest?

Have these people ever heard of quitting?

If you dont like the place you work because of long hours or low pay or a jerk of a boss you have the free will to quit.

You can spin the story any way you want but the fact of the matter is this is about people killing themselves over a Job that they can quit and go work in any of the other million factories in china.

This isn't an american problem is a problem with the goverment in china.

This post has been edited by xyberviri: 01 February 2012 - 09:02 AM

[jtghcaus]

Lookup FoxConn. They manufacture electronics for over 20+ major electronics companies. I don't see why the others, like Microsoft,Intel, Nintendo, Sony, Dell, Netgear, Cisco, etc. are not being boycotted as well. If you're really concerned about FoxConn practices, consider buy a pad and pen, because that's all you'll have left after the boycott.

[halofaller]

xyberviri, on 01 February 2012 - 09:00 AM, said:

I don’t care about china's employment laws because I don’t live in china.
This is like asking people in the US to care about financial laws of Indonesia.
Yes our products are made there but the government is the one that ultimately regulates the working conditions.

Also how is threatening to kill one’s self over working conditions the best way to protest?

Have these people ever heard of quitting?

If you dont like the place you work because of long hours or low pay or a jerk of a boss you have the free will to quit.

You can spin the story any way you want but the fact of the matter is this is about people killing themselves over a Job that they can quit and go work in any of the other million factories in china.

This isn't an american problem is a problem with the goverment in china.

How typical of the shortsighted. That that exact line of non-thinking and apply it to the Japanese nuclear accident. I guess the radiation is somehow limited to Japan because it isn't an American problem. The idea that if you buy a product without thinking or caring about what it took to make it is as close to complete ignorance as it comes.

"Free will". Yes, I guess free will in a communist country is something all the Chinese aspire to. Tell me, if you are so into free will and do whatever you want, do you also support a complete opening of US borders so that anyone can decide to quit working in China and simply immigrate to the US? Oh, different story and unrelated? Not if you accept the free will argument.

The idea of "it isn't an American problem" has resulted in getting involved in three wars, thousands of lost lives and lost treasure. I wonder how free will and not an American problem work with that?

[ToxicKitty]

Good luck with that. The only people who will boycott Apple are the people who don't use Apple. It is naive to think that Apple is the cause of the problem, if there even is a problem. We are applying American standards to a Chinese situation. It is Foxconn and the Chinese government who have the say over working conditions and wages, not Apple. Chinese people are waiting in line for those jobs. Boycott Applea and you are taking food out of their mouths. You might as well boycott most of the food you eat, most of the cars you drive and most of the clothes you wear. Nothing is made in the U.S. anymore. How can it be when the Unions have driven wages up to a level that most companies cannot afford to say "Made in the U.S.A.

[StevenLain]

I think that targeting and boycotting Apple is a little much. Foxconn produces parts / items for most of the major "gizmo" companies. Why single out Apple, when it's Foxconn's factory issues. If you're going to boycott, boycott all of them - don't single out Apple.

[PhilYbarrolaza]

It is not about whether or not Apple has created the problem. The question about to boycott or not to boycott will depend on what IS under Apple's control...their ability to fix the conditions in those factories.

[bluemeanie]

I think it's ironic that people want to boycott Apple, yet most of the other products they use and buy from Walmart, Target, Macys, Kohls, Best Buy, Home Depot and others come from Chinese factories with EVEN WORSE working conditions than FoxConn. In actuality, FoxConn is one of the better places to work in China. Say all you want, but unless you are willing to pay more for goods made in America, there's little any of these companies can do. Chinese companies choose to control these conditions and any Chinese worker has every right to refuse them. It's not Apple's problem.

[XorgKctu8g]

StevenLain, on 01 February 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

I think that targeting and boycotting Apple is a little much. Foxconn produces parts / items for most of the major "gizmo" companies. Why single out Apple, when it's Foxconn's factory issues. If you're going to boycott, boycott all of them - don't single out Apple.

Because people are killing themselves in the Apple division of Foxconn, not the other divisions. Apple profits billions while people are dying or working under crazy poor conditions. Yeah, it's a China problem but Apple (and perhaps the others) are contributing by not paying enough or setting work environment standards while making billions. Apple may not be able to fix their problem but can pull out. Sounds like they will as they are building new factories in Brazil.

This post has been edited by XorgKctu8g: 01 February 2012 - 10:01 AM

[PhilYbarrolaza]

ToxicKitty, on 01 February 2012 - 09:33 AM, said:

It is Foxconn and the Chinese government who have the say over working conditions and wages, not Apple. Chinese people are waiting in line for those jobs. Boycott Applea and you are taking food out of their mouths. You might as well boycott most of the food you eat, most of the cars you drive and most of the clothes you wear. Nothing is made in the U.S. anymore. How can it be when the Unions have driven wages up to a level that most companies cannot afford to say "Made in the U.S.A.

So you are telling me that if Apple told Foxconn that if their workers keep killing themselves they are going to find another supplier that Foxconn wouldn't care? Now that is nieve.

[sgs9139]

Emploring Apple to do more makes sense but suggesting that they are uniquely responsible, have actual control over the situation or can effect major change without the active participation and commitment of the other electronics companies doing business with Foxconn is awfully naive. Isn't Apple the first any only electronics company to join the Fair Labor Association and voluntarily subject themselves to independent audits? That seems like leadership and responsibility to me.

[Yoni]

Of course Apple cares! How dare you!? Tim [censored] took only 368 millions home so Chinese employees could... oh wait!
Of course Apple doesn't care. It is not in their best interest so they turn around and pretend it does not happen. They pay for production and they are obsessively freak controllers but somehow they cannot make it better for the employees who work hard to bring their products to life. While they sit in 40 billion cash plus enormous stock shares. Anyone wondering why they moved to China and do not employ homeland workforce for its production?

[JBNY]

sgs9139, on 01 February 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

Emploring Apple to do more makes sense but suggesting that they are uniquely responsible, have actual control over the situation or can effect major change without the active participation and commitment of the other electronics companies doing business with Foxconn is awfully naive. Isn't Apple the first any only electronics company to join the Fair Labor Association and voluntarily subject themselves to independent audits? That seems like leadership and responsibility to me.

How else are you going to emplore Apple to do more, a strongly worded letter? $$ is what motivates them. They may not be the only company utilizing Foxconn, however they are by far the largest and most influential in the industry. I don't get how thinking that one of the top 2 companies in the world is capable of causing a major change in one of it's main suppliers....They have already revolutionized several consumer electronics and market segments.

Do you honestly think the Top dog one of the biggest industries in the US/World isn't capable of causing change? In one Quarter they had revenue of $28.27 billion, with 6.6 Billion in PROFIT....All in a down economy! They sold over 39 Million products (Ipad/Ipod/Mac/Iphone) in 3 months. They threaten to find another supplier, and Foxconn will improve. However that change has to start with the consumer, and a boycott is a good start.

[DragonTattooz]

Boycott Chinese-made products period, not just Apple. To the uninformed- The USA actually makes far more "stuff" than China. Our GDP eclipses China's. Look up what GDP is, because you obviously have no clue.

[DragonTattooz]

Boycott Chinese-made products period, not just Apple. To the uninformed- The USA actually makes far more "stuff" than China. Our GDP eclipses China's. Look up what GDP is, because you obviously have no clue.

[nonseq]

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Foxconn manufactures products for companies including:

Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
Amazon.com (United States)
Apple Inc. (United States)
ASRock (Taiwan)
Asus (Taiwan)
Barnes & Noble (United States)
Cisco (United States)
Dell (United States)
EVGA Corporation (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)
Intel (United States)
IBM (United States)
Lenovo (China)
Microsoft (United States)
MSI (Taiwan)
Motorola (United States)
Netgear (United States)
Nintendo (Japan)
Nokia (Finland)
Panasonic (Japan)
Samsung (South Korea)
Sharp (Japan)
Sony (Japan)
Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)
Vizio (United States)
http://en.wikipedia....Major_customers

I'm sure that all of us who are so quick to demand that Apple should correct Foxconn's problems will join me in boycotting all of the manufacturers above! Of course that would mean that we would pretty much have to give up electronics altogether and spend time with real people that we meet in the park and stuff.

Yes, Foxconn needs to correct the huge problems that it has but singling out Apple is ludicrous and hypocritical, in my opinion. Nothing wrong with taking a moral and ethical stance but if it's done to castigate a single company while letting many more slide is wrong.

[BaronvonMigglesworth]

"Cook added that Apple inspects its factories every year and has helped to improve conditions for "hundreds of thousands of workers"."

Like adding 10ft tall wire fences to building roofs and 15ft wide nets at the base of the buildings to keep the workers from committing suici- falling from the roof and smashing their heads.

[allan45]

Boycott just Apple?
How about boycott every Computer manufacturer, All of these companies use Foxconn.
Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
Amazon.com (United States)
Apple Inc. (United States)
ASRock (Taiwan)
Asus (Taiwan)
Barnes & Noble (United States)
Cisco (United States)
Dell (United States)
EVGA Corporation (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)
Intel (United States)
IBM (United States)
Lenovo (China)
Logitech (Switzerland)
Microsoft (United States)
MSI (Taiwan)
Motorola (United States)
Netgear (United States)
Nintendo (Japan)
Nokia (Finland)
Panasonic (Japan)
Philips (Netherlands)
Samsung (South Korea)
Sharp (Japan)
Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)
Toshiba (Japan)
Vizio (United States)