[dbgman]

I have and always been boycotting Crapple. Their greed is a perfect example of exploiting unfair labor in other countries. We need global labor laws.

[JamesHalpert]

DragonTattooz, on 01 February 2012 - 10:21 AM, said:

Boycott Chinese-made products period, not just Apple. To the uninformed- The USA actually makes far more "stuff" than China. Our GDP eclipses China's. Look up what GDP is, because you obviously have no clue.

The economic metric you're looking for is Industrial Output, not GDP, in which China with an estimated industrial output of 3.5 trillion $ surpasses the US with an estimated 3.3 trillion $.

GDP is not an appropriate measure of what is "made" in a country. In the US, 77% of our GDP is from Services, whereas only 22% comes from Industrial Manufacturing (and about 1% from Agriculture). In China, the percentages are 43% Services, 47% Industrial, 10% Agriculture.

You should really educate yourself before telling others to do so.

[orlbuckeye]

jtghcaus, on 01 February 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

Lookup FoxConn. They manufacture electronics for over 20+ major electronics companies. I don't see why the others, like Microsoft,Intel, Nintendo, Sony, Dell, Netgear, Cisco, etc. are not being boycotted as well. If you're really concerned about FoxConn practices, consider buy a pad and pen, because that's all you'll have left after the boycott.

Apple and not the others are catching the blunt of the bad press and boycott threats. Apple gets the blunt because their revenue and profits are higher which leads to tighter production numbers. The more Ipads and faster Ipads are made the more money into Apple makes. The other products don't have as much pressure to produce in volume(with quality)as the Apples products do. Yes if Dell or HP sold products with the same volume people would be talking about boycotting them also.

To the defence of Apple they almost have to manufacture there because all the resources to manufacture are in China (Engineers, suppliers and nubers of workers. I saw a video where an expert was questioned and he said the problem is american workers are to smart as in USA manufacturing jobs use machines to produce which requires skill and know and the Chinese manufacturing is all my hand and repetitive jobs that don't require much skill to perform their jobs.

This post has been edited by orlbuckeye: 01 February 2012 - 11:07 AM

[AgntDukea28y]

"Any suggestion that we don't care is patently false and offensive to us," he wrote. "As you know better than anyone, accusations like these are contrary to our values."

LOL. I love the way he worded this. The *accusations* are contrary to their values, but not the acts upon which the accusations are made. They are just fine with hurting the middle men (they abuse vendors all the time), but disapprove of actually talking about it. Silly Apple.

[TynanonTech]

those claims of mistreated workers are totally overblown. see

http://www.esarcasm....otally-awesome/

for example. these people are treated like gods.

[NicholasPalazzo]

We have adapted to living in a virtual world where it is much easier to forget ethics and mores. How much farther are we going to take this disensitization towards other human beings?

[AgntDukea28y]

orlbuckeye, on 01 February 2012 - 11:04 AM, said:

jtghcaus, on 01 February 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

Lookup FoxConn. They manufacture electronics for over 20+ major electronics companies. I don't see why the others, like Microsoft,Intel, Nintendo, Sony, Dell, Netgear, Cisco, etc. are not being boycotted as well. If you're really concerned about FoxConn practices, consider buy a pad and pen, because that's all you'll have left after the boycott.

Apple and not the others are catching the blunt of the bad press and boycott threats. Apple gets the blunt because their revenue and profits are higher which leads to tighter production numbers. The more Ipads and faster Ipads are made the more money into Apple makes. The other products don't have as much pressure to produce in volume(with quality)as the Apples products do. Yes if Dell or HP sold products with the same volume people would be talking about boycotting them also.

To the defence of Apple they almost have to manufacture there because all the resources to manufacture are in China (Engineers, suppliers and nubers of workers. I saw a video where an expert was questioned and he said the problem is american workers are to smart as in USA manufacturing jobs use machines to produce which requires skill and know and the Chinese manufacturing is all my hand and repetitive jobs that don't require much skill to perform their jobs.

I have to disagree this has to do with strictly volume of production. Apple has long been known to abuse the middle-men and push such unrealistic deadlines upon their suppliers. I daresay the others have not taken heat because they have not demanded the same of their supply chain that Apple has done. Apple is abusing those below them, and is being called on it. Foxxcon is simply passing along their constraints down to those workers in those plants dedicated to Apple.

[nonseq]

AgntDukea28y, on 01 February 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

I have to disagree this has to do with strictly volume of production. Apple has long been known to abuse the middle-men and push such unrealistic deadlines upon their suppliers. I daresay the others have not taken heat because they have not demanded the same of their supply chain that Apple has done. Apple is abusing those below them, and is being called on it. Foxxcon is simply passing along their constraints down to those workers in those plants dedicated to Apple.

Do you have have substantiation? Any documentation? Proof? I've heard that claim over and over again, usually by those who dislike Apple anyway, but I have never seen any proof. If you have substantiation I would appreciate seeing it. (Telling me to "google it" is not substantiation)

[daveinpublic]

XorgKctu8g, on 01 February 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

StevenLain, on 01 February 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

I think that targeting and boycotting Apple is a little much. Foxconn produces parts / items for most of the major "gizmo" companies. Why single out Apple, when it's Foxconn's factory issues. If you're going to boycott, boycott all of them - don't single out Apple.

Because people are killing themselves in the Apple division of Foxconn, not the other divisions. Apple profits billions while people are dying or working under crazy poor conditions. Yeah, it's a China problem but Apple (and perhaps the others) are contributing by not paying enough or setting work environment standards while making billions. Apple may not be able to fix their problem but can pull out. Sounds like they will as they are building new factories in Brazil.

Wow, you just made something up, and you went with it.

[RobertBarney]

Seriously [censored] apple and their outrageous profits. Needs to be some serious work on getting jobs back here in the USA and stop this outsourcing for slave labor. I worked in medical field and 90% of people dont know their personal information is being handled by people in India/Mexico.

[slappy]

Don't forget these other companies that use them also.


From Wikipedia, Foxconn manufactures products for companies including:

(country of headquarters in parentheses)

Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
Amazon.com (United States)[27]
Apple Inc. (United States)[28]
ASRock (Taiwan)
Asus (Taiwan)
Barnes & Noble (United States)
Cisco (United States)
Dell (United States)
EVGA Corporation (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)[29]
Intel (United States)
IBM (United States)
Lenovo (China)
Logitech (Switzerland)
Microsoft (United States)
MSI (Taiwan)
Motorola (United States)
Netgear (United States)
Nintendo (Japan)
Nokia (Finland)[28]
Panasonic (Japan)
Philips (Netherlands)
Sharp (Japan)
Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)[30]
Toshiba (Japan)
Vizio (United States)

[AlexanderRogge]

Slavery never ended, it just moved out of sight and out of mind. The government has to eliminate the incentives that companies have to move jobs to China, and it starts with the taxes on payroll and infrastructure. Then, create a disincentive to use slave labor in China by requiring that workers in China receive the same pay and benefits as a worker in America.

[SansOmniscient]

Singling out Apple for problems many US manufacturers and retailers are guilty of - buying cheap, selling high? That sounds fair.

Perhaps we can boycott all sweatshops, buy from labor-union run manufacturers on US soil only? I'm sure there will be lines of people waiting to buy that $50K computer.

[vertical2010]

Boycott won't work. Apple fanboys LUV Steve Jobs (still), and never cared that he cut out philanthropy at Apple, gave little to charity himself and used slave labor (more or less) to build his products. They bought into the lie that buying Apple products made them cool and better than everybody else. Details never mattered.

[ronin7752]

"ultimately the blame lies not with Apple and other electronics companies -- but with us, the consumers. "

So when murderers and thieves with bad upbringing say "it's not my fault! I was just responding to the way I was brought up!" We should accept their answer...?

Companies are responsible for what they do -- just like people. (Companies *are* people now, remember?)

[ronin7752]

I would be happy to boycott Apple if I had ever bought anything from them in the first place. Stronger action is needed.

[nonseq]

vertical2010, on 01 February 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

Boycott won't work. Apple fanboys LUV Steve Jobs (still), and never cared that he cut out philanthropy at Apple, gave little to charity himself and used slave labor (more or less) to build his products. They bought into the lie that buying Apple products made them cool and better than everybody else. Details never mattered.

What a lovely and ever so well reasoned response. Ad hominem is always the best way to persuade and so cleverly too. You managed to attack and slander (or is it libel) in three meaningless sentences. Congratulations.

[CharlieDiaz]

Exactly this ridiculous Boycott for what? Simple you don't where work quite All this drama against Apple, I work in a place where they pay me $4.67 an hour that is miserable salary here in the States but I don't like I quite simple. I just jealousy the Mac is gonna rule the world is Time to sale to the Chinese enough is enough. All in USA we have Made in China Tired of the cheap lousy products. Please feel sorry for the American workers what we endure dam salaries from 1970 and we are in 2012...

[Vulpinemac]

Turn it into an "All Electronics Devices" boycott and I might support it. To blame one brand when others use the same assembly company is prejudiced and stupid. Far better to boycott Foxconn than Apple, don't you think?

[LeeAnneGuryn]

So.. we would have to boycott practically EVERYTHING made outside of the United States. China is losing jobs to other countries that make stuff cheaper. Do you think those folks are being treated peachy keen?