[waldojim]

coastie65, on 04 February 2012 - 08:48 AM, said:

Yeah, I know. It was just an off hand remark I threw at her at the time. Actually, it was someone I was dating at the time and I was happy someone gave her that thing as i was getting more than a little tired od trying to squeeze more out the Packard Bell ( at her request I might add ) than it was willing to give. That thing was not intended to be used to try and run a business. I think it was running a P3 and she had "upgraded" to Windows 98 ( I believe Win 2k was the flavor of the day at the time ). She also thought she could handle a Website........not. That thing was crippled as far as memory went. Told her she would need a server for that. She ended up going to a third party to host her web site. She also didn't have the internet connection for trying to host a web site. Early on, AMD did have the better processor and I suspect when they were writing the instructions that was what it was based on.

Honestly, I think it had more to do with Intel getting complacent. They didn't see AMD as a threat. When the P4 launched, it was easily the largest fumble in Intel's history. Massive space heaters that underperformed.... even the P3s - at similar clock speeds - were faster. Then came the Hyper Threading fiasco, a wonderful idea at the time, that turned out to be more harm than good. Lastly, was Rambus. I am fairly certain that alone killed the P4 in the mid tier gaming market - where most of the money is spent. AMD happened to come out with a quality product, at the right time, and used DDR ram. Was this because of the instruction sets? Not really. I suspect it was more due smarter core design, cache management, etc.

In a way it is too bad. AMD had a chance to be the front runner for some time to come. The Athlon 64's were such a mess at launch though, that it made it hard to really consider an AMD.

[waldojim]

snorg, on 04 February 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

Oh Ya, If Im PC tech for a girl Im dating I just do whatever makes em smile.

Agreed.

In my case, I also had to make one for the in-laws. Yes, they got an AMD Phenom X4 (unlocked X2). They are happy with it, and I saved $$$ making me happy as well.

This post has been edited by waldojim: 04 February 2012 - 09:14 AM

[snorg]

I didnt say flagship, I sez flagship in the next to newest flavor, soon to be no longer on the shelf, buy then any erraticness has been flushed out and they are cheap like borscht.

Like the way I waited to buy Phenom II X6 1100T the Phenom II flagship, until Bulldozer came out. Bulldozer is still 1st generation so it mite be kinky, even if I had money to burn I would wait till second generation.

The old PC has AMD dual core flagship, it was 625 bucks when it first came out, I got the last one on the shelf for about 60 bucks.

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[coastie65]

snorg, on 04 February 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

Oh Ya, If Im PC tech for a girl Im dating I just do whatever makes em smile.

Yeah, but she could sure drive me crazy at times. I remember that she strted with a Commodore 64 ( that I got her in '83 ). She then went to a stor called CompuAdd and got one of their house brands ( CompuAdd ). It was running an 80286 Processor and Windows 3.1. She then went to that Packard Bell. I forgot what the AMD Based Tower was that she was given, but believe it was a dual core and did have a nice Hdd and memory. It was a big step up from that Packard Bell and running XP. If the finances hadn't been a bit tight at the time ( hers & mine ), I probably would have set her up with something. You do have to keep em happy.

[compnovo]

waldojim, on 04 February 2012 - 09:14 AM, said:

snorg, on 04 February 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

Oh Ya, If Im PC tech for a girl Im dating I just do whatever makes em smile.

Agreed.

In my case, I also had to make one for the in-laws. Yes, they got an AMD Phenom X4 (unlocked X2). They are happy with it, and I saved $$$ making me happy as well.

In my house it's the wife, and what makes her smile is stability and familiarity --- she hates change.

[snorg]

Well Ive had plenty of time to study up on how to keep them happy, so the next one will be very happy and she wont know Im doing it on purpose. Its easy if you know how.

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[coastie65]

Most of the ladies I know these days are thrilled to death with my stability, just not too thrilled that I am stabile as a rock in front of this computer.

[snorg]

Wonder how my next BGF will react when I have a 72 hour computer fite.

[coastie65]

snorg, on 04 February 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

Wonder how my next BGF will react when I have a 72 hour computer fite.

72 Hr Computer Fight? I've never had one last that long. 72 Hrs is more than enough time to pack up bag and baggage and get gone and I suspect that is what would happen. They do not like being ignored either.

[snorg]

I would not ignore, but If I sleep ill forget what I did or what I was gonna do next.

When I had laptop I was always fiddling when I visited mom for the weekend, I talked to her at the same time but she hated it, even when it was alone doing some lengthy task.

[compnovo]

snorg, on 04 February 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

Well Ive had plenty of time to study up on how to keep them happy, so the next one will be very happy and she wont know Im doing it on purpose. Its easy if you know how.

Good luck with that.

[snorg]

Ladies love my stability too, I never get mad, I go mad.

[LiveBrianD]

Where's the "whatever's the best value" option? For my desktop, I use an i5 since it's more powerful, but my laptop has an AMD E350 because that has better performance at a lower price than a dual-core atom + nvidia ion netbook. As it is, AMD can't get their act together (aside from the APUs, which are good for what they are), so I'm not considering them for a powerful machine.

[snorg]

Well its really about which CPU would you buy, not which is the best value note book.

But the consensus is Im out voted, and thats just fine.

[coastie65]

snorg, on 04 February 2012 - 04:46 PM, said:

Well its really about which CPU would you buy, not which is the best value note book.

But the consensus is I'm out voted, and thats just fine.

You buy the best you can afford in regards to the rest of the build.

[waldojim]

snorg, on 04 February 2012 - 04:46 PM, said:

Well its really about which CPU would you buy, not which is the best value note book.

But the consensus is Im out voted, and thats just fine.

That is sort of what he was getting at though. As far as price:performance ratios, AMD worked out great in subnotebooks/netbooks, where Intel has a very expensive, under-performing alternative.

[LiveBrianD]

Exactly. For instance, in that other thread about those crap "gaming" machines you find at retail stores, the budget build I came up with used an amd phenom x4 cpu. If the budget was higher, I would've picked a 2500K.

[coastie65]

I do like the Phenom II x4 BE's for budget builds, but I do not like that high 125w TDP on those things. That having been said, I am not at a point of recommending or suggesting a Hex core of any flavor. I suspect that wehn the IVy Bridge is realeased the 2500k will come down to a point of being considered a budget processor ( although some already do ). Think I saw a preview just before Christmas when I found them at under $200 at a handful of places.

[LiveBrianD]

The phenom I mentioned in the other build was 95W. Since Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge use the same socket, it would be great if they made Ivy Bridge CPUs the main ones and dropped the price quite a bit on Sandy Bridge. I'm sure they're still fast enough for the vast majority of people (heck, I'm still using a Nehalem Architecture/Lynnfield CPU...).

[coastie65]

LiveBrianD, on 05 February 2012 - 11:40 AM, said:

The phenom I mentioned in the other build was 95W. Since Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge use the same socket, it would be great if they made Ivy Bridge CPUs the main ones and dropped the price quite a bit on Sandy Bridge. I'm sure they're still fast enough for the vast majority of people (heck, I'm still using a Nehalem Architecture/Lynnfield CPU...).

Yep, Your 1156 i5 is still a good solid chip. The Sandy Bridge will be fine for sometime to come as well. If the sales of Ivy Bridge Light up, then they will most likely drop the price on the Sandy Bridge ( remember they have the Socket 2011 stuff out there too ). I have my Gateway with the i7 960 which is fine and I have no intention of getting rid of it, although my Mom would like to see it go. The Pentium D 945 I had in the eMachines was 95w and I thought that thing was a space heater.