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I have nexus s old phone 12 months now and I have 4.0 upgrade so it is not entirely true what this article suggests

I have nexus s old phone 12 months now and I have 4.0 upgrade so it is not entirely true what this article suggests

JohnChoi, on 06 February 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

He said GALAXY S, not NEXUS. Pay attention.

JohnChoi, on 06 February 2012 - 07:57 PM, said:

and that's just it. Like the article said it makes sure the nexus phones which are the "flagship" phones get it but completely capable devices that Samsung has said will get the upgrades, they end up pulling back and leaving a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.

Yeah right. You just said Siri doesn't work on iPhone 4 and then in the next sentence you complain about Samsung Galaxy S not getting officially upgraded to Ice Cream Sandwich (which is not true).

Charbax, on 07 February 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

Siri is an APPLICATION; Ice Cream Sandwich is an OPERATING SYSTEM. Pay attention.

Charbax, on 07 February 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

No, that isn't what he said.

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So where does he say that Siri doesn't work on iPhone4? He doesn't; what he said was that he thinks Apple don't allow it on the iPhone4 because it might overwhelm their data centers. Apple has done many things well, but the cloud hasn't been one of their strong points. They're getting better, but it's still spotty.

As for

Charbax said:

Wiens says the Galaxy S will not get an official update to ICS... and you say that's not true, so, do you have a source that says the Galaxy S will be getting ICS?

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The reason it won't get ICS? Not enough space to hold ICS and TouchWiz, and apparently Samsung refuses to put it out without TouchWiz.

Umm Id say samsung has done pretty well at innovation. They might try making it stand out more from apple but they have been pretty much on par or better with the specs sheet vs. apple. As for the OS that is a matter of preference, customization vs. flawless operation. Btw the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and 8.9 actually runs 3.0 and are confirmed getting 4.0 ICS along with the galaxy s2. The Iphone 4 and Galaxy S are almost 2years old now. Full OS upgrades aren't exactly going to be priorty to either of them. Yes apple gave the Iphone 4, Ios 5, but lets be honest it wasn't like it was a features goldmine that ICS is adding to android.

Nuke61, on 07 February 2012 - 01:13 PM, said:

As someone who writes code for high-availability web services, I immediately assumed server capacity was a major part of the reason Siri has been restricted to the 4S. Not that Apple couldn't procure or manage sufficient capacity for so many devices, but being able to ramp up availability from 0 users on day zero in line with their expected manufacturing rate would be a huge operational win.

However, recent reports suggest another compelling reason for the restriction. At the end of the day I suspect the decision was based on a combination of back-end capacity, device-specific hardware and encouraging upgrades, but this does neatly demonstrate that those who made outright claims that there was no reason Siri couldn't run just as well on iPhone 4 or iPad 2 hardware quite simply didn't know what they were talking about. Just as some of us stated months ago.

Texconnews, on 07 February 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

innovation and matching or improving specs are totally different things. Samsung is a manufacturing company they do not innovate they wait for others to rest markets and then mass produce copies this is not new to the handset business this is how they took over the TV market.

The downside to company's making lots of phones is the fact they aren't going to support them long past the sale.

Samsung could simply dismiss making any phone and just stick with the Galaxy S line.

If the phone can run the latest version of Android, update it for God's sake. How frikkin hard can it be?

If the hackers can do it in only months or weeks, then surely these phone makers with all that money can as well.

They are gettign like GM and Ford. They have sooooo many models to try to concentrate on, they all end up slipping in quality and they get left out as they work on newer products.

That's why Japan came over here an kicked their butts out the top. They concentrate on making each model better even with lots of them.

Apple having one model means they can concentrate on making them better for at least 2 more models later.

Nuke61, on 07 February 2012 - 01:13 PM, said:

They simply need to drop TouchWiz. And I don't understand, why the heck do they make the ROM so small that you can't update later. Just shows all these phone makers are just out to make a quick buck, not give a very good quality long lasting product.

Even tho I still say, what software your phone comes with is all you really should expect. There is no law that says your device should get the next upgrade. When you buy an OS for a computer, if you want the next version, you have to pay for it. Your phone was tested and designed to work with the software it comes with.

However, out of all the skins TouchWiz is simply the worse. Motoblur is running neck and neck. Only Sense from HTC is good. But they too are ruining a good concept by trying to do to much. This is why users "root" there devices. Because phone makers don't give a carp about updating their devices.

And even tho Apple does update the firmwares on the devices, they devices don't have the same capabilities across the board so the updates are pretty much meaningless unless you are having device issues an update will fix. If you have an iPhone 3G and you upgraded to iOS 4.x, you still can't do what an iPhone 4 can do natively. To update for the sake of updating is pointless. But Android 4.0 is a huge update compared to 2.3, and as long as the proper drivers are made for the hardware, the phone has plenty of power to run it.

This is why Microsoft won't allow for phone makers to create a skin on top of Windows Phone like it did with Windows Mobile 6.5. It simply ruins the platform.

They all have their downsides and upsides when it comes to upgrades, but Android is the worse only because of 3 phone makers. LG uses stock Android. But they too include very small ROMs that basically give your phone 1 year shelf life or less.

I guess they figure, you will be upgrading your device next year anyways, why worry if you won't get the next update. They wnat you to pay for the next update by buying a new device so they can make more money.

I like Android, but I am glad I have my Windows Phone and my iPhone. At least they do support their devices a bit better.

kbconsulting, on 07 February 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

I disagree, by your definition of innovation then apple is not an innovator. Tablets have been around forever. Design and functionality is innovation. Therefore both apple and Samsung are innovators in their own right.

This post has been edited by Texconnews: 08 February 2012 - 07:58 AM

crosswordbob, on 07 February 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

Based on your statement. Apple release Siri on the 4S to use us as the live testers for their new product. That's fine as others have done it as well. I mean it is the only way to know in some cases. However, they could have paid for a company like Microsoft tor someone else to come and talk to them about how big of a data center they would need to handle such a task. With all the money they have even if they didn't want to consult a competitor who has the experience, there are consulting services they could have paid to help them release a fully tested working product for almost everyone.

The fact they gave us a beta software to help them fix, shows they used us for guinea pigs. When Microsoft sends out beta copies of software, it is to guinea pig us to help make the product better. But it is for testing to be including in an upcoming to be fully released product. You don't beta test a product with a full production product. That was wrong IMO.

What would you say if Microsoft allowed Windows PC makers to sell the Consumer Preview of Windows 8 on laptops or desktops right now....wouldn't you consider that a bad move?

What Apple could have did with Siri is what Microsoft also does. They could have allowed those with Apple ID's to sign up to be chosen to help beta test Siri on the iPhone 4. They could have started this right when they started making the 4S. In the 15 months it took them to finally release the 4S, buy then they could have had 10M people helping to test Siri and it could then have been released as a fully working service and not a beta product still in development phase.

Stop giving Apple excuses for rushing to go out and buy a gimmick to help sell a phone that was late, 2 years behind in hardware features, and Apple needed a quick qimmick to hype to make it seem you are getting a new device, when we actually didn't. We got the same device with a CPU/GPU bump. The same thing they did with the 3G and 3GS.

In a years time, Apple could have easily added 1M users for Siri every month. That means by the time the 4S was finally release, nearly 1/2 of the iPhone 4 owners would have provided the load needed to show Apple how much more capacity they would need to create.

Based on Apple's own sales numbers, they sold about 30M iPhone 4's. Which shows in 15 months they could have had 1/2 of them testing Siri to be released as a final product by the time the 4S came.

What was the huge delay of the 4S? Doesn't appear to be any manufacturing issues. The only rumor I heard was the new device was having over heating issues with the CPU/GPU. But it was never past a rumor.

Apple purchase Siri from the original dev on April 28th, 2010

Our company has provided cabling for a data center before. We cabled a 500,000sq ft warehouse for a data center in 30 days with 10 techs. With the money Apple has they could have done similar by buying several warehouses that are up for sale. How is it an application they bought in April of 2010 is still in beta 18 months later? This isn't an OS that can take 3 years to get ready for over 1B users. It's an app that was made to work as part of the UI using API's to call up features the phone already was capable of.

"In marketing language, a gimmick is a unique or quirky special feature that makes something "stand out" from its contemporaries. However, the special feature is typically thought to be of little relevance or use. Thus, a gimmick is a special feature for the sake of having a special feature. It began, however, as a slang term for something that a con artist or magician had his assistant manipulate to make appearances different from reality. Such things as the manipulating of a gaming wheel led to the idea of a "gimmick" being used.[1]

"In marketing, product gimmicks are sometimes considered mere novelties, and not really that relevant to the product's functioning, sometimes even earning negative connotations. However, some seemingly trivial gimmicks of the past have evolved into useful, permanent features."

The fact Microsoft has dedicated several data centers to Xbox Live, shows that cloud services require a lot of server side usage. Google has been doing the same for years. With all this experience out in the wild, there is no reason Apple couldn't have had a better idea of how to bring such a service online. Other companies with such are RIM, Sony others have some type of cloud based service. Microsoft has the best and they could have consulted them for advice.

This post has been edited by QUADICON: 08 February 2012 - 08:31 AM

QUADICON, on 08 February 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

It has nothing whatsoever to do with knowing how big the data centre needs to be. It's about a rollout plan. You don't simply press a red button and bring a massive back-end operation live at once. You ramp up availability. You are demonstrating a blatant lack of understanding of how this stuff works here - you might want to stop arguing before you make a complete fool of yourself.

QUADICON said:

No they couldn't - you didn't read the link I posted, showing that the 4S has specific hardware in the 4S that they don't have in any other products, and which gets used to make Siri work. I told you months ago that you didn't know for a fact that there was no reason Siri couldn't run just as well on the iPhone 4, and this link proves it. Again, you don't understand how it works, and you are embarrassing yourself by pretending you do.

QUADICON said:

It's not a gimmick. That has been amply demonstrated to you.

QUADICON said:

The highlighted sentence is not true of Siri, no matter how many times you claim it is. Even in its beta state, it allows complex operations to be carried out far quicker and more naturally than would be possible without it. That will only expand as they integrate it into more services; especially if they open it up to 3rd-party developers. This is exactly the sort of feature that you'd be the first to use as an example of why Apple sucks, if only it existed on some other device and not the iPhone. Complete, unmitigated hypocrisy.

This post has been edited by crosswordbob: 08 February 2012 - 09:17 AM

With my Incredible being almost two years old, I have had one OS update and don't think that I'll get 4.0 before I upgrade to Apple, most likely. I'm quite tired of the crappy screen, Apps that don't work and the inability to communicate with my MBAir. One thing that Apple has done with their phone/pad/pod systems is the ability to communicate with Windows devices. Android does not make any effort to be a integral part of your computer system. RIM has the same problems but is better with Apple computers. Unless Android provides a good electronic relationship with all devices they will be lost in the shuffle.

QUADICON, on 08 February 2012 - 07:55 AM, said:

Maybe I shouldn't, but I still expect updates to a product that's less than a year old. My Droid Incredible 2, purchased in April of 2011, won't be getting an update to the latest Android version. My iPad, purchased in April of 2010, almost 1 full year BEFORE the DInc2, did get an update to the latest iOS version. Does it have all features? Nope, but some is better than none.

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How are the updates meaningless unless you are having specific issues? iOS 5 adds unified messaging, a Reminders app, a faster Safari browser, wireless synching, Airplay Mirroring. What you don't get on older devices is Siri, and you think Siri is basically worthless anyway.

With my Android phone that's a full year NEWER than my iPad, what features of ICS can I get? NONE. I like Android, which is why I've gone from Blackberry to Android to Android, but it has it's problems, and vendor refusal to support older devices is one of the glaring issues. Right now it looks like the Android hardware mfrs. are racing each other to see who can make the most ridiculously large phone, while I want something that has a 4" screen... maybe something slightly larger. iPhone is too small for my poor eyesight, which was never good, and is now only worse.