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[AThousandPardonsi0qw]

I will buy from crApple just as soon as they move all manufacturing to the USA and stop using offshore facilities to avoid paying their fair share of taxes. They and countless other "American" businesses continue to screw the government by not paying taxes, but they are happy to use America's workers.

[TheWatchdog]

is just in: Legendary Apple co-founder Steve Jobs lived inside a reality bubble of his own creation.


Don't we all...

[TheWatchdog]

is just in: Legendary Apple co-founder Steve Jobs lived inside a reality bubble of his own creation.


Don't we all...

[TheWatchdog]

is just in: Legendary Apple co-founder Steve Jobs lived inside a reality bubble of his own creation.

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don't we all...

[Swift2001]

Well, I guess that would mean you won't buy much of anything, since China has taken much of our manufacture in the last 20 years. But who could be against unions in these factories? Why, the Chinese Communist Party and the GOP, of course. Please, Apple haters, develop a serious politics instead of the silly stuff that goes on in your heads.

[KennethBailey]

I bought an Apple product once, the iPhone 3gS. I will never purchase another product from this manufacturer ever again. They are bad for the American economy due to all manufacturing being sent to China when they could be producing their products in America.

[dreamerof]

KennethBailey, on 11 February 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

I bought an Apple product once, the iPhone 3gS. I will never purchase another product from this manufacturer ever again. They are bad for the American economy due to all manufacturing being sent to China when they could be producing their products in America.

Whose products will you buy then? I can't think of any 'Made in USA' cell phones. Are you willing to pay substantially more for a 'Made in USA' product? Many say they would but they never do or did, which is why manufacturing left the USA to start with.

[dreamerof]

AThousandPardonsi0qw, on 10 February 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

I will buy from crApple just as soon as they move all manufacturing to the USA and stop using offshore facilities to avoid paying their fair share of taxes. They and countless other "American" businesses continue to screw the government by not paying taxes, but they are happy to use America's workers.

I guess you won't be buying anything from anybody anytime soon since almost all corporations operate in the same fashion. Let us know which company and which products you plan to purchase that actually meet your noble but not realistic views.

If you meant they are happy to sell to American workers then you are correct because foreign factories don't use / hire many American workers.

[Vulpinemac]

Nothing has been exposed that wasn't already known--outside of the fact that Jobs actually served on that panel.
As for the issues at Foxconn, that is such old news that it's getting boring. I've followed the events at Foxconn for over three years and yes, things were much, much worse over there than they are now--even if they aren't perfect now. Apple has already influenced them and is continuing to do so without these massive anti-Apple attacks occurring online and now in very public forums. You must keep in mind that Apple is far from the only major electronics corporation using Foxconn for their manufacturing, even if they are the largest. If you must blame someone, blame Foxconn itself and quit trying to straw-man Apple since even if Apple pulled out of Foxconn completely, it wouldn't change the fact that the rest will still use the available and less-expensive service which means Foxconn itself will still be operating.

[SikFly]

if its a product i want, i buy it. i don't care where its made.

[nonseq]

I wish that PCWorld would have the courtesy to disclaim in the article descriptions when Robert X (has been)Cringley is the "author" of these filler pieces. Which RXC is this anyway? Bob is the Franklin W Dixon of tech "writers"

[TheTess]

Thumbs up for the catchy title!

As for the rest of it, Jobs is dead. Get over it and move along. The rest of the world sure has.

[YellowEagle]

TheTess, on 11 February 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

Thumbs up for the catchy title!

As for the rest of it, Jobs is dead. Get over it and move along. The rest of the world sure has.

Agreed, and i don't even use Apple products, though i have one. It sets in the shed. And most of the computer products are made in some sweat shop Company somewhere. Not just Apple and or Foxcon the government backed by the corporations is the reason most American jobs aren't here it's the deals made with foreign powers that be. It started with Mexico, though many must not remember or are to young to have cared to watch as our jobs disappeared, I remember watching the news on all those deals same as with China, Taiwan, South Korea and many other country's. We have to Create New Jobs and ways to make it, or Die trying.

Complaining about it won't get you anything but disrespect and ulcers. And i don't care for any sweat shops anywhere, I know all about them, I know from having worked in a few right here in the Good old USA. Remember that the next time you lay your body on a set of sheets an your head on pillows made by Martha Stewart, i use to work in one of the Sweat shop factory's right in the heart of the good ol USA. 95% Mexican labor and I'm one of the few Americans that needed a job that bad that worked there. yep and most of them are illegals to, I know that for a fact. And they don't do a thing about it. you just live with it and go on.

This post has been edited by YellowEagle: 12 February 2012 - 03:06 AM

[SmilingCarcass]

Why ‘He experimented with hashish, marijuana, and LSD in college, yet despite all that was not a member of the Communist party’? Are you suggesting drug users are communists? Or communist party members are drug users? If anything, it is the decadence of capitalism and imperialism that promotes and encourages drug use- including tobacco and alcohol.

[zeth006]

SmilingCarcass, on 12 February 2012 - 05:35 AM, said:

Why ‘He experimented with hashish, marijuana, and LSD in college, yet despite all that was not a member of the Communist party’? Are you suggesting drug users are communists? Or communist party members are drug users? If anything, it is the decadence of capitalism and imperialism that promotes and encourages drug use- including tobacco and alcohol.

I think that's just a tongue-in-cheek reference. I mean we all know that only democrats were pot-smokers back then!


Nonetheless, for those of us who grew up after that era, that reference isn't that recognizable.

[wth1954]

The reality is that Apple employs 64,000 people in the US. If their business model did not include off-shore manufacturing they would be totally non-competitive and out of business. This means that there would be 64,000 fewer Americans with jobs.

[TechConc]

AThousandPardonsi0qw, on 10 February 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

I will buy from crApple just as soon as they move all manufacturing to the USA and stop using offshore facilities to avoid paying their fair share of taxes. They and countless other "American" businesses continue to screw the government by not paying taxes, but they are happy to use America's workers.

Comments like this are kind of funny. First, you have the use of the word "crApple" which demonstrates a lack of maturity. It also demonstrates a strong bias against Apple, no matter what Apple does. Then, it gets better with the completely irrational suggestion that you won't buy their products until ALL of their manufacturing back to the US, etc. While I'm sure you felt good writing that nonsense, but this begs the question, which brand do you plan on purchasing from? Is there another competitor that you feel is taking the higher ground here in some way? If so, please explain.

This article and articles like it are just nonsense. While we all feel some level of empathy for Chinese workers in general, this is not an Apple specific issue. This is a Chinese government issue, this is a tech industry wide issue. This article refers to Foxconn as "Apple's factories in China". They are not. Apple represents 20+% of Foxconn's business. Where do you think the rest comes from?

People don't seem to understand the reality of supply chain these days. It's not just about lower wages or avoiding taxes, etc. For example, there was a well publicized example of when Apple decided to switch from plastic (as used on most phones at the time) to glass on the original iPhone just 6 weeks prior to launch. Plain and simple, that just wouldn't have been possible here in the US. Logistically, most of the parts and materials that go into these devices come from the same general region. It's not a simple as just building a factory here in the US. Instead, Apple keeps the higher paying, design and engineering jobs here in the US. That's not a terrible trade-off. Either way, suggestions that Apple should just change things like this are simply naive (at best).