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[TheTess]

While reading this article...

5 ad networks tracking you:

Dedicated Networks, Microsoft Advertising, Nielson, eXelate Media, BlueKai

9 companies tracking you:

Foresee, Gigya, Google Analytics, Doubleclick, MSN Ads, VigLink, Netratings Site Census, eXelate, BlueKai

via Abine "Do Not Track Plus"
No other browsers or windows open, just this article. SHAME ON YOU PC WORLD!

This post has been edited by TheTess: 24 February 2012 - 12:53 PM

[Kahuna]

TheTess, on 24 February 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

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I, too, use the Abine "Do Not Track Plus" app. The part you left out is that not only does the app let you know who is tracking you, IT BLOCKS THE TRACKERS.

I clear out my cookie cache regularly, with another app and, just for good measure, block all ads with an ad blocker.

I never have the urge to get angry. I just enjoy the free ride I get.

[deepsand]

TheTess, on 24 February 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

While reading this article...

9 companies tracking you:

Foresee, Gigya, Google Analytics, Doubleclick, MSN Ads, VigLink, Netratings Site Census, eXelate, BlueKai

No other browsers or windows open, just this article. SHAME ON YOU PC WORLD!

That's not Google doing any tracking; in fact, that's not a tracking application at all.

What's wrong with PC World using web based analytics to determine how its own site is being used?

This just serves to demonstrate the problems inherent in defining tracking, and controlling that which is objectionable and non-essential .

BTW, PC World is not responsible for all that you here accuse it of.

This post has been edited by deepsand: 24 February 2012 - 06:17 PM

[madooo12]

@TheTess
How did you know about the program? I knew about it from here

PCWorld Rulez

[Razor91869]

Hmm, seems to be that people are doing a little too much tracking. It is illegal to stalk people, is it not?

[deepsand]

Again with the strawmen?

No stalking is here involved.

[dragon69]

TheTess, on 24 February 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

While reading this article...

5 ad networks tracking you:

Dedicated Networks, Microsoft Advertising, Nielson, eXelate Media, BlueKai

9 companies tracking you:

Foresee, Gigya, Google Analytics, Doubleclick, MSN Ads, VigLink, Netratings Site Census, eXelate, BlueKai

via Abine "Do Not Track Plus"
No other browsers or windows open, just this article. SHAME ON YOU PC WORLD!

yeah if all these companies want to stalk us on the web then they should pay for our monthly internet bill and even our computers then i would not mind there stalking so much !
I, too, use the Abine "Do Not Track Plus" add on and like it as it has sped up my browsers ( all that tracking must slow down the browser a bit)

[deepsand]

And, perhaps the providers of on-line resources should begin charging you for their services.

Contrary to your beliefs, you are neither entitled to free access to the site's of others on terms dictated by you, and you have no reasonable expectation of privacy outside your own personal domain.

How much are you willing to pay for access to PC World?

[dragon69]

deepsand, on 01 March 2012 - 02:49 PM, said:

And, perhaps the providers of on-line resources should begin charging you for their services.

Contrary to your beliefs, you are neither entitled to free access to the site's of others on terms dictated by you, and you have no reasonable expectation of privacy outside your own personal domain.

How much are you willing to pay for access to PC World?

the most maybe 19.95/year but only if i did not have to suffer constant advertising and invasive privacy tracking!

but you may not be able to afford 20 bucks and might be willing to put up with that sort of stuff for free ?

on aNOTHER POINT I HAVE NEVER JOINED OR USED FACEBOOK BUT THERE "LIKE" BUTTON IS TRACKING ME .... did i ever agree to allow them to track me ? NO so i should be allowed to not let them track me right !!! but not in your eyes eh!

^ same applies to twitter ^

but if i used either service then i would not mind agreeing to tracking but since i never usede those services they should not be allowed to track me as it is an invasision of privacy in my country ! ! !

This post has been edited by dragon69: 01 March 2012 - 06:11 PM

[deepsand]

Actually, you did so agree to their Terms of Use by continuing to use their services. It is the responsibility of the user to read such, and cease using the service if he does not wish to accede to the site's terms.

A user has no unilateral right to dictate what a site does or does not do. The site is the host; the user a guest. In the virtual realm, guests abide by the terms set by the host, just as is the case in the physical one.

[dragon69]

deepsand, on 01 March 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

Actually, you did so agree to their Terms of Use by continuing to use their services. It is the responsibility of the user to read such, and cease using the service if he does not wish to accede to the site's terms.

A user has no unilateral right to dictate what a site does or does not do. The site is the host; the user a guest. In the virtual realm, guests abide by the terms set by the host, just as is the case in the physical one.

i never used there services not facebook or twitter so i have never agreed to their terms of service but you don't bother to read ...

this quote from my post " I HAVE NEVER JOINED OR USED FACEBOOK" and that applies to twitter too !

[deepsand]

Whether or not one has "joined" is immaterial to the issue of usage. For example, visiting this site without having established a member account is still usage, usage that is governed by PC World's Terms of Use.

By analogy, whether one attends a party thrown by another with or without an invitation does not alter the fact that they are there as a guest of that other.

This is not to defend all that any given Domain does, but to simply put things in their proper perspective.

[Razor91869]

deepsand, on 01 March 2012 - 07:45 PM, said:

Whether or not one has "joined" is immaterial to the issue of usage. For example, visiting this site without having established a member account is still usage, usage that is governed by PC World's Terms of Use.

By analogy, whether one attends a party thrown by another with or without an invitation does not alter the fact that they are there as a guest of that other.

This is not to defend all that any given Domain does, but to simply put things in their proper perspective.

This is not the domain of facebook or twitter. Facebook and twitter are both guests here, watching what we say and offering us their "services". The fact that they're invited guests does not give them the right to track people on this domain, nor when they leave this domain. I personally use my own flavor of anti-tracing and I deny everyone the right to trace me anywhere I go. Nobody has a right to make money off me without first asking to sell my privacy. And not in some legal jumbo buried in their "terms of service" and implied practices. Whether I agreed to their terms of services or not, I deny them the right to track me. I prefer my privacy, so I guess I have to treat these companies like I would any rule bending jerks who stay in the "gray" while doing things that I, personally, would never have knowingly allowed.

[deepsand]

Neither Facebook nor Twitter are watching anything here. Only if you click on their content here presented does their server ave any contact with you.

Furthermore, since you are not personally identifiable here, not to mention that this is a public space, where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy, there is no "invasion of privacy" in the true sense.

This post has been edited by deepsand: 01 March 2012 - 10:27 PM

[dragon69]

deepsand, on 01 March 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

Neither Facebook nor Twitter are watching anything here. Only if you click on their content here presented does their server ave any contact with you.

Furthermore, since you are not personally identifiable here, not to mention that this is a public space, where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy, there is no "invasion of privacy" in the true sense.

wrong any site that has the facebook or twitter buttons do track you weather on not you click them it is just less info is send if you do not click them !

[dragon69]

Razor91869, on 01 March 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

deepsand, on 01 March 2012 - 07:45 PM, said:

Whether or not one has "joined" is immaterial to the issue of usage. For example, visiting this site without having established a member account is still usage, usage that is governed by PC World's Terms of Use.

By analogy, whether one attends a party thrown by another with or without an invitation does not alter the fact that they are there as a guest of that other.

This is not to defend all that any given Domain does, but to simply put things in their proper perspective.

This is not the domain of facebook or twitter. Facebook and twitter are both guests here, watching what we say and offering us their "services". The fact that they're invited guests does not give them the right to track people on this domain, nor when they leave this domain. I personally use my own flavor of anti-tracing and I deny everyone the right to trace me anywhere I go. Nobody has a right to make money off me without first asking to sell my privacy. And not in some legal jumbo buried in their "terms of service" and implied practices. Whether I agreed to their terms of services or not, I deny them the right to track me. I prefer my privacy, so I guess I have to treat these companies like I would any rule bending jerks who stay in the "gray" while doing things that I, personally, would never have knowingly allowed.

i agree with this point but facebook and twitter do not " The fact that they're invited guests does not give them the right to track people on this domain, "

[deepsand]

dragon69, on 02 March 2012 - 12:54 AM, said:

deepsand, on 01 March 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

Neither Facebook nor Twitter are watching anything here. Only if you click on their content here presented does their server ave any contact with you.

Furthermore, since you are not personally identifiable here, not to mention that this is a public space, where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy, there is no "invasion of privacy" in the true sense.

wrong any site that has the facebook or twitter buttons do track you weather on not you click them it is just less info is send if you do not click them !

No doubt you can explain precisely what you are describing and how that is accomplished.
.

[deepsand]

dragon69, on 02 March 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

Razor91869, on 01 March 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

deepsand, on 01 March 2012 - 07:45 PM, said:

Whether or not one has "joined" is immaterial to the issue of usage. For example, visiting this site without having established a member account is still usage, usage that is governed by PC World's Terms of Use.

By analogy, whether one attends a party thrown by another with or without an invitation does not alter the fact that they are there as a guest of that other.

This is not to defend all that any given Domain does, but to simply put things in their proper perspective.

This is not the domain of facebook or twitter. Facebook and twitter are both guests here, watching what we say and offering us their "services". The fact that they're invited guests does not give them the right to track people on this domain, nor when they leave this domain. I personally use my own flavor of anti-tracing and I deny everyone the right to trace me anywhere I go. Nobody has a right to make money off me without first asking to sell my privacy. And not in some legal jumbo buried in their "terms of service" and implied practices. Whether I agreed to their terms of services or not, I deny them the right to track me. I prefer my privacy, so I guess I have to treat these companies like I would any rule bending jerks who stay in the "gray" while doing things that I, personally, would never have knowingly allowed.

i agree with this point but facebook and twitter do not " The fact that they're invited guests does not give them the right to track people on this domain, "

Actually, since Facebook and Twitter have a presence owing to an affirmative act on the part of PC World, they can do whatever PC World allows.

[deepsand]

As demonstration that the mere appearance of a Facebook or Twitter button say nothing with regards to tracking, note the "Share this topic" share bar at bottom left of this page.

Here is the source code for the first two buttons, those for Twitter and Facebook.

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<li><a id="slink_twitter" class="_slink" title="Share this link via Twitter" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.pcworld.com/index.php?sharelink=twitter;aHR0cDovL2ZvcnVtcy5wY3dvcmxkLmNvbS9pbmRleC5waHA_L3RvcGljLzEzNzU4OC11bml2ZXJzYWwtZG8tbm90LXRyYWNrLWJ1dHRvbi1hLXJlY2lwZS1mb3ItZGlzYXBwb2ludG1lbnQv;VW5pdmVyc2FsICYjMzk7ZG8gTm90IFRyYWNrJiMzOTsgQnV0dG9uOiBBIFJlY2lwZSBGb3IgRGlzYXBwb2ludG1lbnQ,"><img src="http://forums.pcworld.com/public/style_extra/sharelinks/twitter.png"/></a></li>

<li><a id="slink_facebook" class="_slink" title="Share this link via Facebook" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.pcworld.com/index.php?sharelink=facebook;aHR0cDovL2ZvcnVtcy5wY3dvcmxkLmNvbS9pbmRleC5waHA_L3RvcGljLzEzNzU4OC11bml2ZXJzYWwtZG8tbm90LXRyYWNrLWJ1dHRvbi1hLXJlY2lwZS1mb3ItZGlzYXBwb2ludG1lbnQv;VW5pdmVyc2FsICYjMzk7ZG8gTm90IFRyYWNrJiMzOTsgQnV0dG9uOiBBIFJlY2lwZSBGb3IgRGlzYXBwb2ludG1lbnQ,"><img src="http://forums.pcworld.com/public/style_extra/sharelinks/facebook.png"/></a></li>

Note that these are simply passive image displays of PNG files located on PC World's server, as shown by their img src attributes; and, that clicking on them executes a call to a page that is also on PC World's server, as shown by their href attributes..

Only by clicking on an image is one then redirected to a Twitter or Facebook log-in screen, at which time a corresponding cookie is locally written.

This is easily confirmed by first clearing any Facebook or Twitter HTML cookies from your machine, and then visiting this page, after which an examination of your cookies will find that no Facebook or Twitter cookies are present. Also, an examination of C:\Documents and Settings\[UserName]\Application Data\Macromedia\Flash Player\#SharedObjects\ will show that neither Facebook nor Twitter are here using Flash cookies.

This post has been edited by deepsand: 03 March 2012 - 08:54 PM