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[QUADICON]

The app would be soooooo much better if the iPad had a real sytlus. Photoshop could be so much more.

Thank goodness there is an option for that now on another platform. This is a real good app, but without a pen detailed features can't be taken full advantage of.

[KhurtWilliamsi4q3]

QUADICON, on 27 February 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

The app would be soooooo much better if the iPad had a real sytlus. Photoshop could be so much more.

Thank goodness there is an option for that now on another platform. This is a real good app, but without a pen detailed features can't be taken full advantage of.

Nothing about the iPad prevents you from using a sylus.

http://www.macworld....us_roundup.html

[QUADICON]

KhurtWilliamsi4q3, on 27 February 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

QUADICON, on 27 February 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

The app would be soooooo much better if the iPad had a real sytlus. Photoshop could be so much more.

Thank goodness there is an option for that now on another platform. This is a real good app, but without a pen detailed features can't be taken full advantage of.

Nothing about the iPad prevents you from using a sylus.

http://www.macworld....us_roundup.html

I am aware you can buy those eraser-head tip stylus' online for the iPad. But you can't do pixel shading technigues because the tips are way to big.



This is a stylus from the Palm Treo days


Here is HTC's stylus


The stylus for the Galaxy Note


See this is what you don't understand, because likely you don't use Photoshop like I or many others do. I actually draw in Photoshop. The stylus' I show above allow for pixel accuracy, those cheaptastic ones for iPad "don't" allow for that.

I can do graphic intensive designs. And just do you know, this same App on the Galaxy Note, has been optimized to take advantage of the stylus which means a person who can draw what I am speaking of can do so.

See this is the diffeence of a toy vs a real device actually conceieve from real thinking, and not just taking an existing device an making it bigger.


Try doing what is in the video on this page with those pens you linked your comment too.

http://bwone.com/aut...ro-for-android/
This is what i mean when I say the Apple loyalists need to think outside the box or RDF. Because Apple has made you all forget how we "normally" did things.

This post has been edited by bcappel: 28 February 2012 - 09:34 AM
Reason for edit: removed personal attacks

[QUADICON]

KhurtWilliamsi4q3, on 27 February 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

QUADICON, on 27 February 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

The app would be soooooo much better if the iPad had a real sytlus. Photoshop could be so much more.

Thank goodness there is an option for that now on another platform. This is a real good app, but without a pen detailed features can't be taken full advantage of.

Nothing about the iPad prevents you from using a sylus.

http://www.macworld....us_roundup.html

My post was very specific. I said with a "real stylus", the app would be more capable. I said, "without a pen, detailed features can't be taken full advantage of."

I never said you couldn't use a stylus with the iPad. I said for using "detailed" features. That is what you missed because you only read the post, and didn't read with understanding at the point I actually made.

Look at the video in YOUR post. The girl demos the different one. Notice how they all draw like with crayon. You hand to tell the software to use a finer point even if you physically wasn't using one. However when trying to doo work at a pixel level, you would spend a lot more time zooming in an out to get desired effects. This would make a very detailed drawing more time consuming.

Thus I would be correct. Those larger ones only allow for crayon-like drawings. They are fine for children and a quick note where size is not important. We are taking Photoshop here sir. Photoshop allows for precision drawing where pixel shading and more can make for a drawing so realistic, that even a painter with the colors may not be able to match it depending on his skill.

Go here - http://illustrationb.../blog-post.html

The guy says, it is not easy to draw on an iPad because of what? "Marshmallow" tipped pencil. Much like what you showed me. Buthe did an excellent job, that was made harder due too the available tools. If he had a real stylus, the job would likely have been much faster and even more detailed.

Understand it better now?!

This post has been edited by QUADICON: 27 February 2012 - 09:06 AM

[dk3d]

1600x1600? Why even bother?

[HankRearden]

QUADICON, on 27 February 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

KhurtWilliamsi4q3, on 27 February 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

QUADICON, on 27 February 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

The app would be soooooo much better if the iPad had a real sytlus. Photoshop could be so much more.

Thank goodness there is an option for that now on another platform. This is a real good app, but without a pen detailed features can't be taken full advantage of.

Nothing about the iPad prevents you from using a sylus.

http://www.macworld....us_roundup.html

My post was very specific. I said with a "real stylus", the app would be more capable. I said, "without a pen, detailed features can't be taken full advantage of."

I never said you couldn't use a stylus with the iPad. I said for using "detailed" features. That is what you missed because you only read the post, and didn't read with understanding at the point I actually made.

Look at the video in YOUR post. The girl demos the different one. Notice how they all draw like with crayon. You hand to tell the software to use a finer point even if you physically wasn't using one. However when trying to doo work at a pixel level, you would spend a lot more time zooming in an out to get desired effects. This would make a very detailed drawing more time consuming.

Thus I would be correct. Those larger ones only allow for crayon-like drawings. They are fine for children and a quick note where size is not important. We are taking Photoshop here sir. Photoshop allows for precision drawing where pixel shading and more can make for a drawing so realistic, that even a painter with the colors may not be able to match it depending on his skill.

Go here - http://illustrationb.../blog-post.html

The guy says, it is not easy to draw on an iPad because of what? "Marshmallow" tipped pencil. Much like what you showed me. Buthe did an excellent job, that was made harder due too the available tools. If he had a real stylus, the job would likely have been much faster and even more detailed.

Understand it better now?!

As someone who started using Photoshop when it was version 2.5 in black and white, it wasn't even color when it first releases, I can tell you that it doesn't matter nearly as much as you think it does. Magnification really helps to solve that problem. Go to YouTube and watch the numerous videos of people drawing with Autodesk's Sketchbook Pro with either their fingers or a blob eraser. I happen to have that eraser-ish looking stylus and use it to draw specs in iDraw or sketches in Sketchbook Pro.

See Video here:

Have you really looked at the tools in the Touch app as an experience Photoshop user, or are you just repeating what comments you've read from others? The tools in the touch app are geared towards touch based systems. It's not like it's Photoshop the full version. It's an okay app, but nothing we're going to switch to at all. Just a nice little subset compliment for those who might find it interesting to have.

[crosswordbob]

QUADICON, on 27 February 2012 - 08:43 AM, said:

KhurtWilliamsi4q3, on 27 February 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

QUADICON, on 27 February 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

The app would be soooooo much better if the iPad had a real sytlus. Photoshop could be so much more.

Thank goodness there is an option for that now on another platform. This is a real good app, but without a pen detailed features can't be taken full advantage of.

Nothing about the iPad prevents you from using a sylus.

http://www.macworld....us_roundup.html

Are you really this out of touch? I am aware you can buy those eraser-head tip stylus' online for the iPad. But you can't do pixel shading technigues because the tips are way to big.

Here let me teach you something you obviously don't know because of how Apple has so distorted your view.

You clearly haven't tried the O-Stylus. But don't let that get in the way of being rude and arrogant.

[crosswordbob]

HankRearden, on 27 February 2012 - 10:10 AM, said:

Have you really looked at the tools in the Touch app as an experience Photoshop user, or are you just repeating what comments you've read from others? The tools in the touch app are geared towards touch based systems. It's not like it's Photoshop the full version. It's an okay app, but nothing we're going to switch to at all. Just a nice little subset compliment for those who might find it interesting to have.

To be honest, I doubt he even cares. A thin-nibbed stylus is functionality that Apple doesn't (yet) support, and therefore is automatically vital, and a licence to hurl abuse at anyone who speaks in Apple's favour. Had Apple brought it to market it would be just another "gimmick".

[HankRearden]

I personally like the Wacom Cintique 24" HD screen for drawing. For tablet drawing there is a small ASUS Windows 7 tablet PC that runs Windows 7 and thus gives you the full feature set of Sketchbook Pro with a pressure sensitive stylus. It's about $800, plus another $149 for the app. The iPad is not a full blown PC or Mac and thus it's not going to have that full feature set. Photoshop and Photoshop Touch are completely different. Sketchbook Pro on the iPad vs that of the Windows / Mac are also different. The iPad is merely a subset of the features. There is no illustrator for the iPad, but iDraw will do in a pinch.

[QUADICON]

HankRearden, on 27 February 2012 - 10:10 AM, said:

QUADICON, on 27 February 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

KhurtWilliamsi4q3, on 27 February 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

QUADICON, on 27 February 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

The app would be soooooo much better if the iPad had a real sytlus. Photoshop could be so much more.

Thank goodness there is an option for that now on another platform. This is a real good app, but without a pen detailed features can't be taken full advantage of.

Nothing about the iPad prevents you from using a sylus.

http://www.macworld....us_roundup.html

My post was very specific. I said with a "real stylus", the app would be more capable. I said, "without a pen, detailed features can't be taken full advantage of."

I never said you couldn't use a stylus with the iPad. I said for using "detailed" features. That is what you missed because you only read the post, and didn't read with understanding at the point I actually made.

Look at the video in YOUR post. The girl demos the different one. Notice how they all draw like with crayon. You hand to tell the software to use a finer point even if you physically wasn't using one. However when trying to doo work at a pixel level, you would spend a lot more time zooming in an out to get desired effects. This would make a very detailed drawing more time consuming.

Thus I would be correct. Those larger ones only allow for crayon-like drawings. They are fine for children and a quick note where size is not important. We are taking Photoshop here sir. Photoshop allows for precision drawing where pixel shading and more can make for a drawing so realistic, that even a painter with the colors may not be able to match it depending on his skill.

Go here - http://illustrationb.../blog-post.html

The guy says, it is not easy to draw on an iPad because of what? "Marshmallow" tipped pencil. Much like what you showed me. Buthe did an excellent job, that was made harder due too the available tools. If he had a real stylus, the job would likely have been much faster and even more detailed.

Understand it better now?!

As someone who started using Photoshop when it was version 2.5 in black and white, it wasn't even color when it first releases, I can tell you that it doesn't matter nearly as much as you think it does. Magnification really helps to solve that problem. Go to YouTube and watch the numerous videos of people drawing with Autodesk's Sketchbook Pro with either their fingers or a blob eraser. I happen to have that eraser-ish looking stylus and use it to draw specs in iDraw or sketches in Sketchbook Pro.

See Video here:

Have you really looked at the tools in the Touch app as an experience Photoshop user, or are you just repeating what comments you've read from others? The tools in the touch app are geared towards touch based systems. It's not like it's Photoshop the full version. It's an okay app, but nothing we're going to switch to at all. Just a nice little subset compliment for those who might find it interesting to have.

I know its not Photoshop the full version. In my opinion the stylus type "does" make a difference. As I stated in my original post, the version avail for the Galaxy Note has been optimized to take advantage of the stylus Samsung made for it. if you actually compare the use of the 2, there is a difference.

Just FYI, for many of our clients I go onsite to make floor-plans. I consider myself a pretty good artist as I have had 2 years of Art and 2 years of architectural drafting. Though I do suck at using apps like CAD, I am a very good sketch artist. I am aware of what the tools for Photoshop on iPad allow. Again the downside is still the tool you are using it with.

Even the lady in the video I posted, show how the variations in how the pens are made, make a difference in how you or the software handles them. Yes zooming surely helps when using a larger end stylus. But with the proper stylus, that means I will zoom far less, because my view isn't being blocked by the stylus itself.

In my opinion, the variations in stylus size make as much different as the grade of pencil you use to draw physically.

[QUADICON]

crosswordbob, on 27 February 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

QUADICON, on 27 February 2012 - 08:43 AM, said:

KhurtWilliamsi4q3, on 27 February 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

QUADICON, on 27 February 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

The app would be soooooo much better if the iPad had a real sytlus. Photoshop could be so much more.

Thank goodness there is an option for that now on another platform. This is a real good app, but without a pen detailed features can't be taken full advantage of.

Nothing about the iPad prevents you from using a sylus.

http://www.macworld....us_roundup.html

Are you really this out of touch? I am aware you can buy those eraser-head tip stylus' online for the iPad. But you can't do pixel shading technigues because the tips are way to big.

Here let me teach you something you obviously don't know because of how Apple has so distorted your view.

You clearly haven't tried the O-Stylus. But don't let that get in the way of being rude and arrogant.

So what!!! No I haven't. Your point? I wasn't rude or arrogant. Every tool is different. If I find what works for me, I don't have to care about every other option avail...do I?

His point was as if I wasn't aware there are stylus' avail for the iPad. Duh! I do know. My point was very specific. if my point was read the way I wrote it, It NEVER said that iPad didn't have any stylus'. I simply said, the pen stylus is a better option for drawing is you want pinpoint accuracy. It allows for access to a single pixel, without continously zooming in an out. That makes the style I referred to, faster to use. Have you used the stylus I refer too? Have you used a stylus at all?

Actually, why do you even care. Oh wait. Don't answer. because I mentioned your beloved iPad. I didn't say anything bad about the iPad. I just said there is a different of a toy and a tablet designed to actually be capable of true productivity, not just media consumption.

Also any tablet will also work better with a pen stylus if it use "resistive" touch vs capacitive. Resistive touch is more accurate and I can use odd shaped stylus to added variations.

One artist I know made several of his own tools to work with Photoshop on his PC. He made custom custom common shapes and angled that make it easier to draw common figures. He also has some that work on capacitive and resistive touch devices.

The ones for iPad I feel are a bit cumbersome and kiddish. It's just an opinion.

[QUADICON]

crosswordbob, on 27 February 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:

HankRearden, on 27 February 2012 - 10:10 AM, said:

Have you really looked at the tools in the Touch app as an experience Photoshop user, or are you just repeating what comments you've read from others? The tools in the touch app are geared towards touch based systems. It's not like it's Photoshop the full version. It's an okay app, but nothing we're going to switch to at all. Just a nice little subset compliment for those who might find it interesting to have.

To be honest, I doubt he even cares. A thin-nibbed stylus is functionality that Apple doesn't (yet) support, and therefore is automatically vital, and a licence to hurl abuse at anyone who speaks in Apple's favour. Had Apple brought it to market it would be just another "gimmick".

Really? A feature that is actually very useful in a wide range of ways isn't always "gimmicky" in nature. The reality is sir if you think you know so much, what good is a tablet with a stylus.

The whole point of what a tablet replaced, was a paper notebook. The concept was to give you a computer you can write directly on, as you would a real notebook.

If Apple was really trying to make a useful device, a stylus should have been included. and not only included, it should have had at least one supporting app to show it off that could be used for productivity. Let's go back in time. Take a look at PC's that used Windows XP Tablet Edition. Did they not have a stylus? Why do you think it was their. What was the concept of the tablet Bob? Yes many PDA devices also had a stylus, but not for drawing. Many had such small graphics or screens, a stylus was better suited for typing. This was especially true of early Windows Mobile smartphone.

I mentioned a specific use. Its not the point of how detailed the software is oriented to be, it's what I can make it do to serve a purpose.

Look at this video. The guy did a pretty detailed drawing without zooming in. He was able to use shading techniques without constantly zooming in or out because he knew he was
placing everything where he wanted it, because he had pixel accuracy. This would be a bit harder to accomplish with a larger stylus because the tip would block your view.



Notice here with this guy an iPad. Notice he is using a much thinner stylus that has a brush-like tip. That is still much thinner than those eraser tipped ones the guy put in his post.



But you think my post was rude and arrogant? How about his post where he was implying that a stylus for an iPad is somehow not available? Which isn't even what I said at all.

Obviously you didn't get my point either. But that's nothing new with you, is it?

My point was simple. The type of stylus you use makes a difference in what you can do, and it affects the type of software tools you use as well.

But see, like you and Nonseg always do, you just skim over stuff and just look at stuff from face value. You never even try to understand the point. You whole point in you both coming here is to make trouble.
Learn to read more and write less. Isn't that what you said recently? So why not follow your own advice.

I don't have to try every single stylus made in the world. All you need is the one that works for you. Have you even used the O-Stylus? If you have good. If you haven't then you aren't even speaking from experience, which thus make your whole point moot. Since I actually do draw on a hobby level and professional level, I am speaking from an angle of some experience.

And since one of my first businesses was doing logos and letterhead where I drew the logos by hand directly in front of people with a stylus and Photoshop, I would be speaking from way more experience than you would be on some level. I wasn't being arrogant, I was speaking from my own personal experience.

I also physically sketch out ideas when I do web work as well so I can provide some visual stimulation for a person who may be building a website for the first time. Someone quickly being able to see what they think they want help.

Just like any typical fan you claim you aren't, you all always assume that we are always speaking only to argue and not having some experience.

With the proper stylus and a small "scale", I can hand draw buildings so detailed that I assure you, you certainly can't do it.

Which is why I said in another thread when the Galaxy Note came, I would consider it because it had a stylus. And someone argued how ancient a stylus is in this day and age. Somehow I don't see how a pen or pencil or an electronic equivalent to one is somehow ancient.

There is something great about the natural feedback of using a pen.

This post has been edited by QUADICON: 27 February 2012 - 01:07 PM

[HankRearden]

QUADICON, on 27 February 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

I know its not Photoshop the full version. In my opinion the stylus type "does" make a difference. As I stated in my original post, the version avail for the Galaxy Note has been optimized to take advantage of the stylus Samsung made for it. if you actually compare the use of the 2, there is a difference.

Just FYI, for many of our clients I go onsite to make floor-plans. I consider myself a pretty good artist as I have had 2 years of Art and 2 years of architectural drafting. Though I do suck at using apps like CAD, I am a very good sketch artist. I am aware of what the tools for Photoshop on iPad allow. Again the downside is still the tool you are using it with.

Even the lady in the video I posted, show how the variations in how the pens are made, make a difference in how you or the software handles them. Yes zooming surely helps when using a larger end stylus. But with the proper stylus, that means I will zoom far less, because my view isn't being blocked by the stylus itself.

In my opinion, the variations in stylus size make as much different as the grade of pencil you use to draw physically.

That's good that you have that skill. I hope you keep it up.

And yes, of course I'd love a more accurate stylus, but the iPad and the iPhone for that matter were not designed to be used with a stylus at all. They were designed to be used with your finger. I doubt anyone serious about artwork creation is hoping to do all their artwork creation on the iPad. I use Illustrator or Sketchbook Pro and do so on a Mac, not an iPad. It is nice to have some basic tools for basic things though. iDraw is no illustrator, but it is pretty good for what it is. And that's how I feel about Photoshop Touch. It's just for guys like me who have to leave the mark on everything. Never happy to accept a photo as is. It's a $10 app. Seriously... No one expects much from it. The Cintique, $2,599. And the Adobe suite on top of that? Add another $1,899. iPad? $499. PS Touch, $9.99. Then Pen I use cost more than the app.

[crosswordbob]

QUADICON, on 27 February 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

crosswordbob, on 27 February 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

You clearly haven't tried the O-Stylus. But don't let that get in the way of being rude and arrogant.

So what!!! No I haven't. Your point? I wasn't rude or arrogant.

I'm afraid, QUAD, you very much were. If you can't recognise that then you need to work on your communication skills.

Anyway, my point is that pixel accuracy is perfectly possible with an O-Stylus. And yes, I own one and use it both for image work and for writing out maths notation.

[HankRearden]

crosswordbob, on 27 February 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:

HankRearden, on 27 February 2012 - 10:10 AM, said:

Have you really looked at the tools in the Touch app as an experience Photoshop user, or are you just repeating what comments you've read from others? The tools in the touch app are geared towards touch based systems. It's not like it's Photoshop the full version. It's an okay app, but nothing we're going to switch to at all. Just a nice little subset compliment for those who might find it interesting to have.

To be honest, I doubt he even cares. A thin-nibbed stylus is functionality that Apple doesn't (yet) support, and therefore is automatically vital, and a licence to hurl abuse at anyone who speaks in Apple's favour. Had Apple brought it to market it would be just another "gimmick".

Don't let it bother you. You're happy with your purchase and that's all that matters. If Quad is not happy with the device then he scan choose something that more closely meets with his own expectations. Perhaps he's a little on the negative side more often than not. Try not to let it bother you. Though I realize that advice coming from me is laughable at best, it's still good advice I hope to swallow myself in the future.

I've been using Sketchbook Pro a lot lately and I just beginning it get the hang of it. The iPad has already exceeded my expectations. No one else can bring me down from where I am at this point. And believe me, I hear it all day from the kids around me. Each to his own. Happy with PS Touch too. It's not bad.

[crosswordbob]

HankRearden, on 27 February 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

crosswordbob, on 27 February 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:

HankRearden, on 27 February 2012 - 10:10 AM, said:

Have you really looked at the tools in the Touch app as an experience Photoshop user, or are you just repeating what comments you've read from others? The tools in the touch app are geared towards touch based systems. It's not like it's Photoshop the full version. It's an okay app, but nothing we're going to switch to at all. Just a nice little subset compliment for those who might find it interesting to have.

To be honest, I doubt he even cares. A thin-nibbed stylus is functionality that Apple doesn't (yet) support, and therefore is automatically vital, and a licence to hurl abuse at anyone who speaks in Apple's favour. Had Apple brought it to market it would be just another "gimmick".

Don't let it bother you. You're happy with your purchase and that's all that matters. If Quad is not happy with the device then he scan choose something that more closely meets with his own expectations. Perhaps he's a little on the negative side more often than not. Try not to let it bother you. Though I realize that advice coming from me is laughable at best, it's still good advice I hope to swallow myself in the future.

I've been using Sketchbook Pro a lot lately and I just beginning it get the hang of it. The iPad has already exceeded my expectations. No one else can bring me down from where I am at this point. And believe me, I hear it all day from the kids around me. Each to his own. Happy with PS Touch too. It's not bad.

You're quite right, of course, though it wasn't so much the comments regarding the iPad that got me—I wasn't going to bother correcting his initial post—but the tone he took with the chap who clearly just misunderstood his meaning of "real stylus". If his rudeness were directed only at Apple's products, I wouldn't bat an eyelid; it's when he belittles others for daring to use a product he has such a pathological need to hate that it utterly transcends logic, that I tend to get drawn in.

[QUADICON]

HankRearden, on 27 February 2012 - 02:01 PM, said:

QUADICON, on 27 February 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

I know its not Photoshop the full version. In my opinion the stylus type "does" make a difference. As I stated in my original post, the version avail for the Galaxy Note has been optimized to take advantage of the stylus Samsung made for it. if you actually compare the use of the 2, there is a difference.

Just FYI, for many of our clients I go onsite to make floor-plans. I consider myself a pretty good artist as I have had 2 years of Art and 2 years of architectural drafting. Though I do suck at using apps like CAD, I am a very good sketch artist. I am aware of what the tools for Photoshop on iPad allow. Again the downside is still the tool you are using it with.

Even the lady in the video I posted, show how the variations in how the pens are made, make a difference in how you or the software handles them. Yes zooming surely helps when using a larger end stylus. But with the proper stylus, that means I will zoom far less, because my view isn't being blocked by the stylus itself.

In my opinion, the variations in stylus size make as much different as the grade of pencil you use to draw physically.

That's good that you have that skill. I hope you keep it up.

And yes, of course I'd love a more accurate stylus, but the iPad and the iPhone for that matter were not designed to be used with a stylus at all. They were designed to be used with your finger. I doubt anyone serious about artwork creation is hoping to do all their artwork creation on the iPad. I use Illustrator or Sketchbook Pro and do so on a Mac, not an iPad. It is nice to have some basic tools for basic things though. iDraw is no illustrator, but it is pretty good for what it is. And that's how I feel about Photoshop Touch. It's just for guys like me who have to leave the mark on everything. Never happy to accept a photo as is. It's a $10 app. Seriously... No one expects much from it. The Cintique, $2,599. And the Adobe suite on top of that? Add another $1,899. iPad? $499. PS Touch, $9.99. Then Pen I use cost more than the app.

I agree with you 100% that the iPad was not designed to work with a stylus. Thus its toy factor vs its productivity factor. It was a rush to market product that require no thought whatsoever. They took an iPod Touch and gave it a 9.7" screen. They didn't think of all the cool things that can be done with it, if they had spent more time with it. Previous tablet capabilities should have given Apple some food for thought.

The iPad made purpose is media consumption by its marketing, but its not even that good at even that. But it is suppose to be a tablet device. What is the typical capability of a tablet. Without a stylus it shouldn't even be called a tablet.

If I haded anyone here a physical tablet and didn't give you anything to write with, didn't I miss the purpose of giving it to you in the first place? If I just give you some make shift writing apparatus, verses something that would work better, won't it also defeat the purpose.

Which would be better served with a paper based tablet? Should I guve you a big ugly fat writing Sharpie marker? Or should I give you maybe a nice ballpoint pen instead. If it makes a difference on paper, then it would also make a difference on a tablet device.

Anyone who claims there is no difference, either has never used such or are just full of crap...right Bob? Asking me if I used the O-Stylus. No I haven't. What does it have to do with my point? Nothing. Just the typical BS from the peanut gallery.

[crosswordbob]

QUADICON, on 28 February 2012 - 07:15 AM, said:

Anyone who claims there is no difference, either has never used such or are just full of crap...right Bob? Asking me if I used the O-Stylus. No I haven't. What does it have to do with my point? Nothing. Just the typical BS from the peanut gallery.

I've already explained what it has to do with your point: it offers the pixel accuracy you claim isn't possible on the iPad.

As for the usefulness of a tablet without a thin-nibbed stylus, millions of people prove you wrong every day, so there's no point arguing over it.

[QUADICON]

crosswordbob, on 27 February 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

HankRearden, on 27 February 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

crosswordbob, on 27 February 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:

HankRearden, on 27 February 2012 - 10:10 AM, said:

Have you really looked at the tools in the Touch app as an experience Photoshop user, or are you just repeating what comments you've read from others? The tools in the touch app are geared towards touch based systems. It's not like it's Photoshop the full version. It's an okay app, but nothing we're going to switch to at all. Just a nice little subset compliment for those who might find it interesting to have.

To be honest, I doubt he even cares. A thin-nibbed stylus is functionality that Apple doesn't (yet) support, and therefore is automatically vital, and a licence to hurl abuse at anyone who speaks in Apple's favour. Had Apple brought it to market it would be just another "gimmick".

Don't let it bother you. You're happy with your purchase and that's all that matters. If Quad is not happy with the device then he scan choose something that more closely meets with his own expectations. Perhaps he's a little on the negative side more often than not. Try not to let it bother you. Though I realize that advice coming from me is laughable at best, it's still good advice I hope to swallow myself in the future.

I've been using Sketchbook Pro a lot lately and I just beginning it get the hang of it. The iPad has already exceeded my expectations. No one else can bring me down from where I am at this point. And believe me, I hear it all day from the kids around me. Each to his own. Happy with PS Touch too. It's not bad.

You're quite right, of course, though it wasn't so much the comments regarding the iPad that got me—I wasn't going to bother correcting his initial post—but the tone he took with the chap who clearly just misunderstood his meaning of "real stylus". If his rudeness were directed only at Apple's products, I wouldn't bat an eyelid; it's when he belittles others for daring to use a product he has such a pathological need to hate that it utterly transcends logic, that I tend to get drawn in.

My comment was not rude. That is just your opinion. His post was just as rude using YOUR words in trying to act like I wasn't aware the iPad has a stylus available. It's a typical fan commit acting like you don't know are aware something exists. There was nothing to misunderstand about my post. It was very clear and specific.
My post may have been a bit snarky or sarcastic, I simply gave what I felt I received.

This post has been edited by coastie65: 28 February 2012 - 07:55 AM