[anonymousr46j]

My initial impression? AWESOME!

And I have it running on a Dell Inspiron 6000 laptop (7 years old!).

Video lags big time. I blame that on that ancient hardware.

[anonymousr46j]

JeremyRoeqh2g, on 29 February 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

Windows 8 consumer preview is working great on my system. I have an I7 second gen processor, 8 gigs of ram and 2 gigs of video memory. It is very snappy and I like the Metro interface.

Not to be a jerk, but anything will run snappy on an i7 processor

[StephenWC]

scophi, on 29 February 2012 - 11:42 PM, said:

I've been saying since before the Dev Prev came out that Win8 was a horrible idea. A unified OS is no one's idea of a good thing. This may be okay for tablets, I don't know, I'm not a tablet person. But it's terrible for the desktop.

Worse if you have mutliple monitors. Trying to find the correct screen edge postion to swipe or find the charms is a feat of ultimate mouse dexterity. If you're in desktop mode, you never know which monitor your app will pop up in when you open or minimize it. Same thing for going back to the start screen. It's very inconsistent.

I've said it before but people argued with me. Now it's becoming obvious. This is a tablet OS taking the place of a desktop OS. I don't have the words to describe how frustrated I am with Microsoft...how poorly conceptualized this is...and how much I drastically hope that Windows 7 has a long, long support run becuase I won't be buying Windows 8.

After thought -- I won't buy Windows 9 if it holds on to the same principle. Microsoft needs to immediately go back to producing a desktop only OS. Tablets and desktops are not even close to the same thing, so why should they have the same OS? Was anyone asking for this?

I agree 100% - well put.

I too found myself frustrated trying to do simple tasks that previous iterations improved.

As a Wintel user since the beginning, MAC OSX on MB Pro may be my next computer.

I am not impressed by Metro AT ALL, compared to iOS it is horrible!

[StephenWC]

Let's watch MS's stock price in the coming weeks. That will give us an overall impression of how successful Win8 may be.

[Yoni]

QUADICON, on 01 March 2012 - 07:03 AM, said:

JordanDyckes1nz5, on 29 February 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

It's running worse than the developer preview for me Graphics Drivers from AMD won't work, which means I can't run any 3D apps as it lags or cannot initialize.

You have to expect many things won't work. It's a "Consumer Preview".

I think you got it wrong. Here goes:

You have to expect many things will work. It's a "Consumer Preview".

[artzy65]

scophi, on 29 February 2012 - 11:40 PM, said:

laserwizard, on 29 February 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

These are PROGRAMS, not APPS. Apps was developed as a phrase by Apple to make you think constantly about Apple products. It was a shrewd and devious excuse to rename what has always been PROGRAMS. And for this generation of lazy computer users who aren't particularly bright, Apps follows the short-cutting of the English language. On computers, these are not Apps - these are Programs. Always has. Always will.

Although you are technically correct, I have a different definition...one that I think is becoming more common.

• Programs are fully-featured, apps are partially-featured.
  
• Programs launch from the desktop, apps launch from a tablet interface (Metro, iOS, etc).
  
• Programs are generally installed through downloaded installer packages, apps just pop up on your screen in a browser window or tablet interface.
  
• Programs can be maximized, minimized, and dragged around the screen, apps are either full screen or hidden.
  
• Programs can have multiple windows open, apps don't even have windows.
  
• Multiple programs can be open on the same screen, apps can only be seen one at a time.

You get the idea. Bottom line: Metro has apps, the Desktop has programs. For example, Metro's IE10 is an app. the Desktop's IE10 is a program. And neither talks with one another. They don't share favorites or browsing histories. Why? Because one is an app and one is a program.

I believe Adobe, etc usually refer to their software as 'applications'. I have always done that. Using 'program' seems kind of amateurish.

This post has been edited by artzy65: 01 March 2012 - 12:41 PM

[artzy65]

StephenWC, on 01 March 2012 - 09:41 AM, said:

scophi, on 29 February 2012 - 11:42 PM, said:

I've been saying since before the Dev Prev came out that Win8 was a horrible idea. A unified OS is no one's idea of a good thing. This may be okay for tablets, I don't know, I'm not a tablet person. But it's terrible for the desktop.

Worse if you have mutliple monitors. Trying to find the correct screen edge postion to swipe or find the charms is a feat of ultimate mouse dexterity. If you're in desktop mode, you never know which monitor your app will pop up in when you open or minimize it. Same thing for going back to the start screen. It's very inconsistent.

I've said it before but people argued with me. Now it's becoming obvious. This is a tablet OS taking the place of a desktop OS. I don't have the words to describe how frustrated I am with Microsoft...how poorly conceptualized this is...and how much I drastically hope that Windows 7 has a long, long support run becuase I won't be buying Windows 8.

After thought -- I won't buy Windows 9 if it holds on to the same principle. Microsoft needs to immediately go back to producing a desktop only OS. Tablets and desktops are not even close to the same thing, so why should they have the same OS? Was anyone asking for this?

I agree 100% - well put.

I too found myself frustrated trying to do simple tasks that previous iterations improved.

As a Wintel user since the beginning, MAC OSX on MB Pro may be my next computer.

I am not impressed by Metro AT ALL, compared to iOS it is horrible!

You might want to think about partitioning any new Mac you might buy. Last summer I bought a Mac Mini, just before Lion was released. So my new machine came with OS X Snow Leopard installed. What I did was immediately zero the drive and set up three partitions... one for SL, one for Lion and the third for storage.

I have the option to install Windows, Linux, or Mountain Lion on that third partition. The best of all worlds!

[artzy65]

laserwizard, on 29 February 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

These are PROGRAMS, not APPS. Apps was developed as a phrase by Apple to make you think constantly about Apple products. It was a shrewd and devious excuse to rename what has always been PROGRAMS. And for this generation of lazy computer users who aren't particularly bright, Apps follows the short-cutting of the English language. On computers, these are not Apps - these are Programs. Always has. Always will.

Nah, they're mini-applications; naturally shortened to 'apps'

Ans using 'program' in place of 'application' is so over, so 5 minutes ago... Adobe calls Photoshop, Illustrator, etc 'applications'

[QUADICON]

StephenWC, on 01 March 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

Let's watch MS's stock price in the coming weeks. That will give us an overall impression of how successful Win8 may be.

Not really. Their stock prices went down after the Vista debackle too...right? Microsoft still sold over 350M of them. Name an OS anyone else has sold 350M of EVER...other than Microsoft. No one...so, somehow your point really doesn't mean anything.

There are company's that sell crappy products who's stock value is as high as its ever been. Stock proces just mean how losers who love to gamble their money feel about what a compnay is doing. Sometimes a company has to do what is best for them, not what is best for stockholders.

[QUADICON]

Yoni, on 01 March 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

QUADICON, on 01 March 2012 - 07:03 AM, said:

JordanDyckes1nz5, on 29 February 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

It's running worse than the developer preview for me Graphics Drivers from AMD won't work, which means I can't run any 3D apps as it lags or cannot initialize.

You have to expect many things won't work. It's a "Consumer Preview".

I think you got it wrong. Here goes:

You have to expect many things will work. It's a "Consumer Preview".

Its a preview so the things that matter work and the things that don't matter will work later when its finished.

It isn't finished. anyone who would expect something that sin't finished to work properly, really shouldn't be downloading an unfinished product to complain that something doesn't work.

A concept car at the auto-show is a consumer preview...is it not? So why would you be disappointed if you raised the hood and found it had no engine, or the one their is just a lump of plastic that looks liek one?

This post has been edited by QUADICON: 01 March 2012 - 01:45 PM

[QUADICON]

artzy65, on 01 March 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

laserwizard, on 29 February 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

These are PROGRAMS, not APPS. Apps was developed as a phrase by Apple to make you think constantly about Apple products. It was a shrewd and devious excuse to rename what has always been PROGRAMS. And for this generation of lazy computer users who aren't particularly bright, Apps follows the short-cutting of the English language. On computers, these are not Apps - these are Programs. Always has. Always will.

Nah, they're mini-applications; naturally shortened to 'apps'

Ans using 'program' in place of 'application' is so over, so 5 minutes ago... Adobe calls Photoshop, Illustrator, etc 'applications'

Stop Light or Traffic Light....Programs or applications. When you click a shortcut, you are telling the PC to run a program or launch an application. Eiher way you look at it, the end result is the same.

Programs is kinda old, but so are many words we use.
Maybe he's just an older cat.

Program - A computer program (also software, or just a program) is a sequence of instructions written to perform a specified task with a computer.

Application - Application software, also known as an application or an "app", is computer software designed to help the user to perform specific tasks.

Not much difference is there...

This post has been edited by QUADICON: 01 March 2012 - 01:56 PM

[LiveBrianD]

QUADICON, on 01 March 2012 - 07:06 AM, said:

jscott418, on 29 February 2012 - 05:19 PM, said:

I think it will be fine for Tablets and a dud for PC's. Notice how Microsoft in its presentations of Windows 8 focuses on tablets? This is done intentionally. The PC user will not find Windows 8 better then Windows 7 for day to day functions.

Metro is just a skin on a desktop PC. if the person doesn't liek the skin, they simply turn it off. For day to day stuff, it likely won't be that much different than Windows 7. But for those who want the new skin that can help do some thing quicker, it is an available option.

Except that there ISN'T a way to turn it off. I looked around and found nothing. (unless I use the registry)

[LiveBrianD]

The bottom line with this is that, unless you have a tablet, this UI sucks. That's a bit of a problem - did someone at Microsoft forget that the VAST majority of people running Windows have a desktop or laptop, WITHOUT a touchscreen? And in those cases metro is unintuitive and pointless? I'll be sticking with Windows 7, thank you very much.

[LiveBrianD]

jscott418, on 29 February 2012 - 05:19 PM, said:

I think it will be fine for Tablets and a dud for PC's. Notice how Microsoft in its presentations of Windows 8 focuses on tablets? This is done intentionally. The PC user will not find Windows 8 better then Windows 7 for day to day functions.

If anything, they'll find it WORSE. You are spot on here.

[jgbennette]

I've been testing Win8 inside a virtual PC on one of two monitors. I've been using Windows since Windows 2.0 and this is BY far the worst UI experience. Metro is just plain NOT right for desktop use. Arcane, frustrating, slow, and clumsy. PLEASE, Microsoft - trash Metro and go back to the drawing board for your new Win8 desktop UI.

[GetReal]

Hello QUADICON, still up to your old tricks - misunderstanding what people mean (deliberately?) to start a fuss.
I am not against MEANINGFUL change (and no I don't use any apple products), what upsets me is that so many changes made within Windows are simply cosmetic - just for the sake of having something different (and MS charging customers for this facad) while disregarding the lost time and productivity involved.

So, all you microsoft apologists take note of how silly your posts are!

[MikeVoorhees]

Apps Apps Apps Apps!!!

[RamezSayed]

Windows 8 is mainly focused on Tablet Market not PC's that's why Windows 8 can run in less hardware specification.....Microsoft wants to make something to beat android OS and here it's ((Windows 8))

[brunnegd]

The Win8 GUI reminds me of the simplistic "Bob" introduced by MS in the mid-90s. The objective was a GUI so easy a 4 year old could use it. I was a complete flop, even had associations with the evil spirit Bob from Twin Peaks. CNET named Bob the worst product invention of the 90s. Will the Win8 GUI suffer the same fate?

[QUADICON]

GetReal, on 01 March 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

Hello QUADICON, still up to your old tricks - misunderstanding what people mean (deliberately?) to start a fuss.
I am not against MEANINGFUL change (and no I don't use any apple products), what upsets me is that so many changes made within Windows are simply cosmetic - just for the sake of having something different (and MS charging customers for this facad) while disregarding the lost time and productivity involved.

So, all you microsoft apologists take note of how silly your posts are!

But it isn't change just for the sake of change. If they don't change anything at all, what would be the point of releasing a new product?
Even though we likely won't buy a new car every 3 years, as you can see; most of the changes to the car are purely cosmetic. Then based on some automakers, every 5 years they make a more radical change.

It's not change for the sake of change. The concept of the new Windows is to be seamless over 3 different hardware platforms. The point was for Windows to be able to work betetr in the mobile space, yet still offer the capabilities we have come to know with Windows with a significant change.

When Microsoft made a big change to Windows with Vista, everybody was up in an uproar about it. You all complained and complained until they gave us Windows 7. Now they barely make a change and you complain about that too. That si what I am talking about.

What si the point of using a single OS for 10 years? If they don't make anything new, why be in the business?
What they are doing on the software side is no different that what hardware makers do on the hardware side. How much change has really been done to Apple products? None!. Its been all cosmetic for 5 years and counting. No significant changes to the hsradware at all. They are simply catching up to typical trends that have already been done by someone else.

At least with this change, Microsoft is thinking outside the box and doing something no one else has at all; and the only thing you can do is sit and fine something wrong with it; as oppose to finding a way for it to benefit you. It's just as easy to find something good as it is to find something bad.

It seems though when it comes to Microsoft, you always seem to find something wrong. I don't think (and not saying you have), have ever said anything good about Microsoft. They are in business to make money. Windows is Microsoft's main point of income and has been since 1985. They must be doing something right since no one can beat them. So I don't understand the problem.

In my opnion Windows 8 will be perfect for when I want to get a tablet finally. For my desktop, it brings nothing significant to make me upgarde from Windows 7.

We have one platform (I won't mention any names) that people think is so good, yet it is the same junk we been using since 2002 with the Pocket PC. All they did was drop the code onto a better looking device. Here we have a company now who at least actually does some research to see how they can offer something more efficient and useful. Microsoft has always been about purpose, not style. If people wnt candy-coated software that si nothing more than bloated useless junk, they have platforms that work that way just for them.

I am not apologizing for MS. If they make something I don't like, I just don't buy it. No one company can always make you happy. They all sell you what they want. You either bend and work within what they offer, or you don't.

If we all could do something better, we'd all be rich; but since we can't wjats the point in complaining about it?