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Windows 8's Metro Ui: 7 Things You May Just Hate
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 07:11 PM
What I love about Windows 8: MS is finally entering the tablet arena, and doing it with an awesome product.
What I HATE about Windows 8: MS is dumping the tried and true desktop of the work PC. There's no reason to remove what works. And that's exactly what they are doing.
In the past so many have lauded MS for the disection of Windows versions. In this case, they should have forked Windows 8 completely into the tablet world and left the desktop version alone.
What I HATE about Windows 8: MS is dumping the tried and true desktop of the work PC. There's no reason to remove what works. And that's exactly what they are doing.
In the past so many have lauded MS for the disection of Windows versions. In this case, they should have forked Windows 8 completely into the tablet world and left the desktop version alone.
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 07:11 PM
What I love about Windows 8: MS is finally entering the tablet arena, and doing it with an awesome product.
What I HATE about Windows 8: MS is dumping the tried and true desktop of the work PC. There's no reason to remove what works. And that's exactly what they are doing.
In the past so many have lauded MS for the disection of Windows versions. In this case, they should have forked Windows 8 completely into the tablet world and left the desktop version alone.
What I HATE about Windows 8: MS is dumping the tried and true desktop of the work PC. There's no reason to remove what works. And that's exactly what they are doing.
In the past so many have lauded MS for the disection of Windows versions. In this case, they should have forked Windows 8 completely into the tablet world and left the desktop version alone.
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 07:39 PM
MS has a big problem. The problem is that they have no presence in the tablet market, and pretty much none in the mobile phone market.
While Apple can take their time optimizing iOs and OS X for the future, MS needs to do something now. The only way they can force people to use Metro is to put it in Win 8. That way, people can't avoid it.
Hopefully for MS, people will get used to its totally different way of working quickly enough so that they will feel comfortable buying a phone and tablets that uses it.
If not, they're screwed. If people only buy it because they feel they have no choice because they need a new PC, they may attempt to live in the old Win 7 Desktop as much as they can. If that happens, MS is lost.
Businesses have already stated that they won't be migrating to Win 8 anytime soon. They're already migrating to Win 7, or beginning a migration to it. If people aren't forced to use Win 8 at work, where they get their computer experience and requirements, then they won't feel easy around it at home.
Good luck MS.
While Apple can take their time optimizing iOs and OS X for the future, MS needs to do something now. The only way they can force people to use Metro is to put it in Win 8. That way, people can't avoid it.
Hopefully for MS, people will get used to its totally different way of working quickly enough so that they will feel comfortable buying a phone and tablets that uses it.
If not, they're screwed. If people only buy it because they feel they have no choice because they need a new PC, they may attempt to live in the old Win 7 Desktop as much as they can. If that happens, MS is lost.
Businesses have already stated that they won't be migrating to Win 8 anytime soon. They're already migrating to Win 7, or beginning a migration to it. If people aren't forced to use Win 8 at work, where they get their computer experience and requirements, then they won't feel easy around it at home.
Good luck MS.
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 09:03 PM
" its shortcuts are difficult to use, it disappears without warning, and it makes any attempt to change settings on your PC a scavenger hunt."
What were you using before, typewriters? I use Win 7 and became adept at doing all that within the first HOUR of use. All you Apple worshippers are too quick to brand something a mess if it has a learning curve.
What were you using before, typewriters? I use Win 7 and became adept at doing all that within the first HOUR of use. All you Apple worshippers are too quick to brand something a mess if it has a learning curve.
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 09:06 PM
scottwilkins, on 06 March 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:
What I love about Windows 8: MS is finally entering the tablet arena, and doing it with an awesome product.
What I HATE about Windows 8: MS is dumping the tried and true desktop of the work PC. There's no reason to remove what works. And that's exactly what they are doing.
In the past so many have lauded MS for the disection of Windows versions. In this case, they should have forked Windows 8 completely into the tablet world and left the desktop version alone.
What I HATE about Windows 8: MS is dumping the tried and true desktop of the work PC. There's no reason to remove what works. And that's exactly what they are doing.
In the past so many have lauded MS for the disection of Windows versions. In this case, they should have forked Windows 8 completely into the tablet world and left the desktop version alone.
They are not dumping it, just hiding it :-). Rest assured, it is all there.
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 09:08 PM
LOL.
Too bad most people have never operated a computer before and Win 8 is a forced upgrade, so one day they wake up to find WIn 8 "in their faces" instead of trusty old WIn XP. Yes, I think MS should have made it at least optional! Bad move!
Amen Brother! You have hit the nail on the head. *Nobody* at M$ bothered to check out the practicality of the Metro UI with the 95% of REAL end-users -- who don't even have a clue that Windows 8 is about to smack them in the face.
Your experience will be just the tip of the iceberg!
Too bad most people have never operated a computer before and Win 8 is a forced upgrade, so one day they wake up to find WIn 8 "in their faces" instead of trusty old WIn XP. Yes, I think MS should have made it at least optional! Bad move!
ronin7752, on 06 March 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:
DecadreSolydius, on 06 March 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:
I work in IT.
I built a Win8 TOGO flash drive.
Spent some time on it, and well... I can deal with it BUT absolutely hate it.
WHY?
Took the TOGO drive around to "users" at work, and at home with family and friends. You know the non-tech people who don't come to these sites.
THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PAINKILLERS on this planet for me and everyone else for the pain that is coming trying to teach people how to use this OS.
I built a Win8 TOGO flash drive.
Spent some time on it, and well... I can deal with it BUT absolutely hate it.
WHY?
Took the TOGO drive around to "users" at work, and at home with family and friends. You know the non-tech people who don't come to these sites.
THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PAINKILLERS on this planet for me and everyone else for the pain that is coming trying to teach people how to use this OS.
Amen Brother! You have hit the nail on the head. *Nobody* at M$ bothered to check out the practicality of the Metro UI with the 95% of REAL end-users -- who don't even have a clue that Windows 8 is about to smack them in the face.
Your experience will be just the tip of the iceberg!
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 11:39 PM
MS did good on the touch experience part of win8, but there is still a lot of work to be done on the mouse and keyboard experience on win8.
Afterall there are 500 million non touch devices alone in use, which can potentially be upgraded to win8.
Afterall there are 500 million non touch devices alone in use, which can potentially be upgraded to win8.
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Posted 07 March 2012 - 07:00 AM
metromalenyc, on 06 March 2012 - 04:45 AM, said:
I agree with a lot of the author's (constructive) criticisms. Like him, I'm a big fan of Metro... but I also feel that Microsoft could soften the learning curve between Metro & Classic Windows (when using a mouse & keyboard). It's too time-consuming (in my opinion) to have to move my cursor to the far corners of the screen to get menu options. Couldn't a single right-click temporarily bring up all the menus (Charms, app options, thumbnails of programs, etc) & then, by moving the cursor towards one of the menus, the others in different areas of the screen vanish. I also think a clock should be added to the live tile for either the Desktop or Weather apps. I don't like having to swipe all the way to the bottom right corner & then up... just to see what time it is. If it were discreetly displayed on the Desktop live tile, I could glance & go... and it wouldn't ruin the look of the live tile or the Start screen. Finally, unlike the weather app (which is beautiful & informative), the music app is inefficient. It needs more functionality (like playlists) & more intuitive ways to find songs in large music collections. But, again... I love what Microsoft has done with Metro. It's beautiful & elegant & innovative... but it just needs a little more fine-tuning. 
I agree completely about the clock. Hiding the time would even be acceptable, if there was a Live Tile, with the current date and time on it.
To me, the worst part of MetroUI is, they didn't ask the question "Do standard functions now require more clicking than in Win7/WinXP, etc?" Or they don't care. My favorite example is tabs in IE10 (Metro). It took IE quite a while to catch on to the tabbed browsing concept. In every other browser, to switch tabs, you "move the mouse, left click on tab". In Metro IE, you "right click, move mouse, click on small box at top of screen".
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Posted 07 March 2012 - 07:57 AM
"Suppose that you're browsing in IE in the Metro interface, but then you switch to the regular desktop and click the IE icon there. You won't see the Web pages you were just surfing in Metro. "
That's not how you do that. Bring up the app bar, click the wrench, and click "View on the Desktop." That does what you want.
This isn't a flaw in Win8, it's something you weren't doing right. Big difference.
That's not how you do that. Bring up the app bar, click the wrench, and click "View on the Desktop." That does what you want.
This isn't a flaw in Win8, it's something you weren't doing right. Big difference.
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Posted 07 March 2012 - 07:59 AM
"Suppose that you're browsing in IE in the Metro interface, but then you switch to the regular desktop and click the IE icon there. You won't see the Web pages you were just surfing in Metro."
That's not how you do that. Bring up the app bar in Metro IE, click the wrench, and click "View on the Desktop." That does what you want.
This isn't a flaw in Win8, it's something you weren't doing right. Big difference.
That's not how you do that. Bring up the app bar in Metro IE, click the wrench, and click "View on the Desktop." That does what you want.
This isn't a flaw in Win8, it's something you weren't doing right. Big difference.
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Posted 07 March 2012 - 09:09 AM
You've pretty much confirmed my suspicions of how well the Metro UI would play on a desktop PC
I don't have the need for a laptop, have no desire to own (or pay the phone bills for) a smart phone, and definitely don't want an iPad or its equivalent.
Which leaves the important question... In Win8, for desktop use, can you sufficiently disable the Metro UI so that you never see it, better yet completely turn it off???
If the answer to that is 'No' then I won't be replacing Win7?
I suspect there will be a lot of 'lash back' by those who think that 'if you want an OS for portable devices then make an OS specific to them, don't load me with a lot of unnecessary crud in my desktop OS'.
As for touch screen on the desktop, try doing that for 8-12 hours a day and see how well you like it!!! If you're not a 'casual' work place PC user I'm betting you'll quickly learn to hate it.
I don't have the need for a laptop, have no desire to own (or pay the phone bills for) a smart phone, and definitely don't want an iPad or its equivalent.
Which leaves the important question... In Win8, for desktop use, can you sufficiently disable the Metro UI so that you never see it, better yet completely turn it off???
If the answer to that is 'No' then I won't be replacing Win7?
I suspect there will be a lot of 'lash back' by those who think that 'if you want an OS for portable devices then make an OS specific to them, don't load me with a lot of unnecessary crud in my desktop OS'.
As for touch screen on the desktop, try doing that for 8-12 hours a day and see how well you like it!!! If you're not a 'casual' work place PC user I'm betting you'll quickly learn to hate it.
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Posted 07 March 2012 - 09:11 AM
I have MS Vista believe it or not and have been waiting to buy a new desktop PC w/ the latest windows version. I haven't tried the preview, but I'm thinking I'll pass on Win8 now due to all the negative feedback it's getting b/c of the metro interface. I'll go Win7 instead. The newest OS isn't necessarily the best.
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Posted 07 March 2012 - 03:28 PM
Am I missing something? I am a Mac user and have not downloaded the Windows 8 Preview; but it is my understanding that you can have the traditional desktop if you still wish and that it will be very similar to the Windows 7 desktop experience; which as a Mac user, I must admit is very good.
