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New Ipad Vs. Android Tablets: Is It Game Over?

#21 User is offline   Vulpinemac 

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 05:48 AM

Ok, here is an overall response to a number of the comments above:

  • The author definitely discussed both plusses and minuses to the new iPad, so "reeking of bias" is only in the imaginations of the Apple Naysayers.
  • The price of the Apple iPad is little, if any, different from existing Android tablets when taking all factors into account. The Transformer Prime scales in at around $500 on average which, while cheaper than the equivalent 32GB iPad is still not so much cheaper as to noticeably pull any market away from the iPad.
  • iTunes itself doesn't do anything to tweak image sizes, despite what the author states. Rather, the image is displayed at the available resolution. If the image is less than the resolution of the iPad's display, it will be seen at the image's resolution. Obviously, most jpgs are lower than the new iPad's capabilities. If the author had taken RAW images directly from his camera, the iPad would obviously show it full screen at the best resolution available.
  • As for being "Game Over", the author clearly states that the new iPad is significantly better than the Androids in display quality even when discounting the higher resolution. He also points out that display isn't everything and that the Transformer and Galaxy both still showed visible advantages over the iPad in other areas. His conclusion of, "This merely means the competition needs to work harder" makes it obvious that the Game is Not Over.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 05:50 AM

View PostKLanD, on 16 March 2012 - 05:39 AM, said:

View PostXeridianDarkmoon, on 16 March 2012 - 05:04 AM, said:

What's funny is, the one test that really matters the Androids win at. Most people use their Tablets to browse the web more than anything.
I also know most don't want to be tied to AT&T and their crappy service.


It's also notable that despite the apparent better results on the GLBenchmark, the Prime games looked and performed better.

With the qualifier that he couldn't compare game for game since the iPad versions of those Prime games either don't exist or are not 'optimized' for the new iPad.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 05:55 AM

View PostColinv84i, on 16 March 2012 - 05:01 AM, said:

Apple invented and perfected these devices. Its no mystery why they are as successful as they are. Everyone else is in a constant battle of catch-up. I understand Job's frustration when everyone quite literally copied everything Apple did/does. Its like a bad cover or a song. Just because they can do it, doesn''t mean they should.

If HP actually would have used all the patents they got from Palm Apple would be in lawsuits for years. Apple is not the all inventor of everything - they stole as much es everybody
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  Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:01 AM

I take Andriod

SonyEricsson Arc S is very nice :)
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  Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:01 AM

I own a Sony Ericsson Arc S Andriod i love this phone :)
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:18 AM

View PostVulpinemac, on 16 March 2012 - 05:50 AM, said:

View PostKLanD, on 16 March 2012 - 05:39 AM, said:

View PostXeridianDarkmoon, on 16 March 2012 - 05:04 AM, said:

What's funny is, the one test that really matters the Androids win at. Most people use their Tablets to browse the web more than anything.
I also know most don't want to be tied to AT&T and their crappy service.


It's also notable that despite the apparent better results on the GLBenchmark, the Prime games looked and performed better.

With the qualifier that he couldn't compare game for game since the iPad versions of those Prime games either don't exist or are not 'optimized' for the new iPad.


Then one could also argue that the Prime scored very low on the GLBenchmark because it wasn't optimized to test the tegra 3 quad+1 and it's.. what is it, 6 or 8 gpu cores?
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:32 AM

View PostAchmadOsmantun5, on 16 March 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

Given the problem with Android that it spies on everything that you do and chows through your bandwidth bundle to report it back to Google makes it a non-starter - period. I would not buy an android device even if the opposition was not as good as it is.


Funny, I say the same thing about apple. They sneak, copy, sue and market their way to the top. I just wouldn't have one no matter how good the product.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:36 AM

View PostSaipro, on 16 March 2012 - 02:02 AM, said:

I've always valued your objective reviews. But this reeks of bias. The display is good (after all, it's RETINA). But not so good as to junk the competition. Android tablets do have their flaws. As do every other gadget out there. Extolling the virtues of the iPad 3 while keeping mum on it's flaws....? You could do better than that. Grossly unfair comparison.


You expect different? pcworld has always been biased towards apple. just read them with a grain of apple flavored salt.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:39 AM

View PostKLanD, on 16 March 2012 - 06:18 AM, said:

View PostVulpinemac, on 16 March 2012 - 05:50 AM, said:

View PostKLanD, on 16 March 2012 - 05:39 AM, said:

View PostXeridianDarkmoon, on 16 March 2012 - 05:04 AM, said:

What's funny is, the one test that really matters the Androids win at. Most people use their Tablets to browse the web more than anything.
I also know most don't want to be tied to AT&T and their crappy service.


It's also notable that despite the apparent better results on the GLBenchmark, the Prime games looked and performed better.

With the qualifier that he couldn't compare game for game since the iPad versions of those Prime games either don't exist or are not 'optimized' for the new iPad.


Then one could also argue that the Prime scored very low on the GLBenchmark because it wasn't optimized to test the tegra 3 quad+1 and it's.. what is it, 6 or 8 gpu cores?

I believe it has 12 gpu cores (The Tegra 3). The main reason the New iPad (Amazing name right there) has such higher scores is primarily (Not entirely, their hardware is quite well designed) is the complete optimization of the OS with the new SoC, which makes it incredibly efficient in executing everything. If Android could be optimized for every device that it runs on, the performance would be more similar (Probably).
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:42 AM

View PostAchmadOsmantun5, on 16 March 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

Given the problem with Android that it spies on everything that you do and chows through your bandwidth bundle to report it back to Google makes it a non-starter - period. I would not buy an android device even if the opposition was not as good as it is.


Seriously? That's a ridiculous, baseless claim. The Android OS doesn't spy on anything, and it doesn't "chows through your bandwidth bundle to report it back to Google"; data usage can be closely monitored and curtailed if required and privacy concerns have already been addressed numerous times. Please don't spread such falsehoods.
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  Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:56 AM

My understanding is that many of the makers of Android hardware (looking at you Samsung) also make most of the components and technology that Apple uses in assembling their 'state of the art' products. So if they know Apple wants to release a tablet with a "retina" display (because they make the freakin screens for them), why not make your own first? Apple must be doing something sneaky behind doors in creating these supply contracts. This is possibly why it always 'seems' like Apple releases the industry standard and then the others (who make the damn Apple components) play catch up.

Smells fishy.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:00 AM

View PostAchmadOsmantun5, on 16 March 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

Given the problem with Android that it spies on everything that you do and chows through your bandwidth bundle to report it back to Google makes it a non-starter - period. I would not buy an android device even if the opposition was not as good as it is.

What you are talking about is optional contribution of anonymous usage statistics. Apple collects (anonymous?) usage statistics too, but they, on the other hand, do not give you an option to opt out. I am intrigued by Apple's ability to imprison their users in their iBubble.
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  Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:02 AM

Wait the game is over because the iPad has a higher res screen than other tablets and beats some Android tablets on a random benchmark test? Please keep up the biacism I just love the morning laugh.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:05 AM

View PostAchmadOsmantun5, on 16 March 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

Given the problem with Android that it spies on everything that you do and chows through your bandwidth bundle to report it back to Google makes it a non-starter - period. I would not buy an android device even if the opposition was not as good as it is.


Please don't talk about things you don't understand. Google is not "Spieing" on anyone, they link all your accounts together so that tasks are easier to accomplish (I can create a Doc in Google Docs then attach it to an Gmail without having to login to both separately, saving time).

Also,how does Android "chow" through your bandwidth? In my company (Mainly iPhone users) I use the least amount of data at the end of the month than probably 90% of them, while doing a lot more. Please get actual facts before chiming in with your applecrap.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:09 AM

View PostColinv84i, on 16 March 2012 - 05:01 AM, said:

Apple invented and perfected these devices. Its no mystery why they are as successful as they are. Everyone else is in a constant battle of catch-up. I understand Job's frustration when everyone quite literally copied everything Apple did/does. Its like a bad cover or a song. Just because they can do it, doesn''t mean they should.


They are succesful because of the brand. Apple FINALLY introduced 4G LTE into one of it's devices and everyone in the crowd was in shock. I have had a 4G LTE SMARTPHONE since March of LAST YEAR! The fact that it took them this long to put out a 4G LTE device while Android is almost completely switched over makes me laugh at just how far behind Apple is yet everyone still loves them.

Also a dual core processor? Really? Phones have had them since summer of last year and all Android tablets this year will have Quad's. Oh, but don't worry when Apple introduces Quad Core tablets in a year or two everyone will be in awe as they were with 4G LTE.... *smh*
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:17 AM

View PostVulpinemac, on 16 March 2012 - 05:48 AM, said:

Ok, here is an overall response to a number of the comments above:

  • The author definitely discussed both plusses and minuses to the new iPad, so "reeking of bias" is only in the imaginations of the Apple Naysayers.
  • The price of the Apple iPad is little, if any, different from existing Android tablets when taking all factors into account. The Transformer Prime scales in at around $500 on average which, while cheaper than the equivalent 32GB iPad is still not so much cheaper as to noticeably pull any market away from the iPad.
  • iTunes itself doesn't do anything to tweak image sizes, despite what the author states. Rather, the image is displayed at the available resolution. If the image is less than the resolution of the iPad's display, it will be seen at the image's resolution. Obviously, most jpgs are lower than the new iPad's capabilities. If the author had taken RAW images directly from his camera, the iPad would obviously show it full screen at the best resolution available.
  • As for being "Game Over", the author clearly states that the new iPad is significantly better than the Androids in display quality even when discounting the higher resolution. He also points out that display isn't everything and that the Transformer and Galaxy both still showed visible advantages over the iPad in other areas. His conclusion of, "This merely means the competition needs to work harder" makes it obvious that the Game is Not Over.



1. Just read the entire article and didn't see anything about them disliking the iPad other than the noise in the photos, after bashing on the Prime's inability to take better picture with a higher MP camera (Which means nothing).

2. You are right so it comes down to opinions and sadly the general public only has articles like this to read and doesn't get the full story of both tablets.

3. Okay so this shows the authors inability to determine how pictures should look therefor he should not be reviewing the camera. Enough said.

4. Except it's not the competition that needs to work harder, it's Apple.... Well depending on how you look at it.

- Of course Apple is going to get amazing sales, too many lemmings that don't bother to care about what they purchase only what logo is on the outside. Therefor Apple does not need to work harder the other company's need to stop worrying about specs and worry about "wowing" the masses.

- On the other hand, Apples technology (Other than it's screen) is years behind Android, if people actually cared about what they were buying sales would be much different but sadly this is not the case.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:19 AM

View PostMattvm8v, on 16 March 2012 - 05:07 AM, said:

People need to realize something. Units shipped is not the same as units sold. So people saying Android shipped this many products compared to Apple selling this many products isn't really a comparison. There are a lot of Android products on shelves collecting dust that were shipped but no one is buying.

Another thing you can't really say a product is better than another when you compare an entire line of products vs one product. Nokia had the top mobile OS before Android but there wasn't an individual Nokia phone that outsold the iPhone. The reason Nokia was bigger is because there were more Nokia phones to choose from and more selection when it came to cost and availability. It doesn't mean people preferred Nokia phones to the iPhone. Because if that was the case the top selling Nokia phone would've outsold the iPhone. And the same holds true when it comes to Android. Android might be the top selling mobile OS but people don't choose Android over iPhone or the iPad because again there isn't an individual Android phone or Tablet to even come close to the same sales as the iPhone 4S and iPad.

Why am I bringing this up? Because Android as a compete OS does well but when you break it down product by product, Android isn't really a threat to the iPhone 4s or iPad. There never was true competition. If there was people wouldn't feel the need to compare units shipped to units sold or compare an entire mobile OS to an individual product.

IPAD,IPHONE, Macbook, are good enough but not for the price. and when anyone try to sell me one with all arguments, I ask if this is able to phone correctly.
Too expensive really.
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  Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:25 AM

I really hope apple is giving you guys some decent change for publishing this. You could not pay to put my name on this stack of lies. Great job putting high resolution on yet another apple tablet that does not have hdmi for external monitor support. Great job apple for not adding an sdcard slot, forcing you to spend the extra two or three hundred for 32 and 64 gig models. This is typical apple advertising of doing everything they can to hide it's many hardware limitations.
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  Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:25 AM

I really hope apple is giving you guys some decent change for publishing this. You could not pay to put my name on this stack of lies. Great job putting high resolution on yet another apple tablet that does not have hdmi for external monitor support. Great job apple for not adding an sdcard slot, forcing you to spend the extra two or three hundred for 32 and 64 gig models. This is typical apple advertising of doing everything they can to hide it's many hardware limitations.
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  Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:37 AM

Click bait much?
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