[crosswordbob]

MikeYostjodt, on 16 March 2012 - 07:02 AM, said:

Wait the game is over because the iPad has a higher res screen than other tablets and beats some Android tablets on a random benchmark test? Please keep up the biacism I just love the morning laugh.

Um, nope. The article very much concluded that the game is not over. The bias is yours.

[crosswordbob]

MikeYostjodt, on 16 March 2012 - 07:09 AM, said:

They are succesful because of the brand. Apple FINALLY introduced 4G LTE into one of it's devices and everyone in the crowd was in shock. I have had a 4G LTE SMARTPHONE since March of LAST YEAR! The fact that it took them this long to put out a 4G LTE device while Android is almost completely switched over makes me laugh at just how far behind Apple is yet everyone still loves them.

The fact that it took them this long is because they don't like to put out products that struggle to last more than a few hours. Let me know when you can get 9 hours LTE use on your phone.

[crosswordbob]

MikeYostjodt, on 16 March 2012 - 07:17 AM, said:

- Of course Apple is going to get amazing sales, too many lemmings that don't bother to care about what they purchase only what logo is on the outside. Therefor Apple does not need to work harder the other company's need to stop worrying about specs and worry about "wowing" the masses.

I care less about what logo is on the outside than you do. I'll buy whichever device does what I need best. Right now that's the iPad.

MikeYostjodt said:

- On the other hand, Apples technology (Other than it's screen) is years behind Android, if people actually cared about what they were buying sales would be much different but sadly this is not the case.

Please don't mistake caring about more than just the edited highlights on a spec sheet with not caring about what one buys. It's easy to design a product with impressive specs, but you pay for it elsewhere.

[MikeYostjodt]

crosswordbob, on 16 March 2012 - 08:23 AM, said:

MikeYostjodt, on 16 March 2012 - 07:09 AM, said:

They are succesful because of the brand. Apple FINALLY introduced 4G LTE into one of it's devices and everyone in the crowd was in shock. I have had a 4G LTE SMARTPHONE since March of LAST YEAR! The fact that it took them this long to put out a 4G LTE device while Android is almost completely switched over makes me laugh at just how far behind Apple is yet everyone still loves them.

The fact that it took them this long is because they don't like to put out products that struggle to last more than a few hours. Let me know when you can get 9 hours LTE use on your phone.

I easily get 20 or so hours out of my 4G LTE smartphone (Galaxy Nexus 4G on the whole time). Oh and Apples fix? Let's just throw a giant battery in it, as if they couldn't do that last year.

[crosswordbob]

MikeYostjodt, on 16 March 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

crosswordbob, on 16 March 2012 - 08:23 AM, said:

MikeYostjodt, on 16 March 2012 - 07:09 AM, said:

They are succesful because of the brand. Apple FINALLY introduced 4G LTE into one of it's devices and everyone in the crowd was in shock. I have had a 4G LTE SMARTPHONE since March of LAST YEAR! The fact that it took them this long to put out a 4G LTE device while Android is almost completely switched over makes me laugh at just how far behind Apple is yet everyone still loves them.

The fact that it took them this long is because they don't like to put out products that struggle to last more than a few hours. Let me know when you can get 9 hours LTE use on your phone.

I easily get 20 or so hours out of my 4G LTE smartphone (Galaxy Nexus 4G on the whole time). Oh and Apples fix? Let's just throw a giant battery in it, as if they couldn't do that last year.

20 hours of 4G web-browsing? Oh, and Apple's fix? First up, the giant battery isn't solely due to LTE, since the wifi model gets only an hour extra. Secondly they didn't just throw a giant battery in it, they did so while maintaining virtually the same overall size and weight. Again, you're focusing on the spec sheet while ignoring a whole bunch of less tangiable features that make a huge difference to how well it does its job.

[Tankpile]

AchmadOsmantun5, on 16 March 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

Given the problem with Android that it spies on everything that you do and chows through your bandwidth bundle to report it back to Google makes it a non-starter - period. I would not buy an android device even if the opposition was not as good as it is.

Read your Apple TOS...doing the same thing

[FM]

David50ox, on 16 March 2012 - 06:56 AM, said:

My understanding is that many of the makers of Android hardware (looking at you Samsung) also make most of the components and technology that Apple uses in assembling their 'state of the art' products. So if they know Apple wants to release a tablet with a "retina" display (because they make the freakin screens for them), why not make your own first? Apple must be doing something sneaky behind doors in creating these supply contracts. This is possibly why it always 'seems' like Apple releases the industry standard and then the others (who make the damn Apple components) play catch up.

Smells fishy.

Well, my understanding is it's likely about $$ and contracts to tie up exclusives. Apple will pay more to retain rights for these products before the manufacturer itself can use them.

[FM]

Colinv84i, on 16 March 2012 - 05:01 AM, said:

Apple invented and perfected these devices. Its no mystery why they are as successful as they are. Everyone else is in a constant battle of catch-up. I understand Job's frustration when everyone quite literally copied everything Apple did/does. Its like a bad cover or a song. Just because they can do it, doesn''t mean they should.

They definitely didn't invent them, but Apple does put more effort on software. The other already existing products just didn't have the software.

[FM]

AnonymousPC, on 16 March 2012 - 06:39 AM, said:

KLanD, on 16 March 2012 - 06:18 AM, said:

Vulpinemac, on 16 March 2012 - 05:50 AM, said:

KLanD, on 16 March 2012 - 05:39 AM, said:

XeridianDarkmoon, on 16 March 2012 - 05:04 AM, said:

What's funny is, the one test that really matters the Androids win at. Most people use their Tablets to browse the web more than anything.
I also know most don't want to be tied to AT&T and their crappy service.

It's also notable that despite the apparent better results on the GLBenchmark, the Prime games looked and performed better.

With the qualifier that he couldn't compare game for game since the iPad versions of those Prime games either don't exist or are not 'optimized' for the new iPad.

Then one could also argue that the Prime scored very low on the GLBenchmark because it wasn't optimized to test the tegra 3 quad+1 and it's.. what is it, 6 or 8 gpu cores?

I believe it has 12 gpu cores (The Tegra 3). The main reason the New iPad (Amazing name right there) has such higher scores is primarily (Not entirely, their hardware is quite well designed) is the complete optimization of the OS with the new SoC, which makes it incredibly efficient in executing everything. If Android could be optimized for every device that it runs on, the performance would be more similar (Probably).

Can't really compare how many cores Tegra has versus Imagination Technology's cores (the ones Apple licenses), as the architecture is different. Would be like comparing dual core Atom CPU to dual core i5 CPU. Tegra 3 was demonstrated running over 1 year ago (Feb 2011), so a newer product should have some performance increase. The other thing is Nvidia has over 15 years of gaming development experience (Windows and Playstation, etc...), so creating a gaming experience for hardware they know about.

I personally would think the benchmarks might be in error or inconsistent concerning the Galaxy and the Transformer Prime, but it could be they run at different modes based on supported features.

This post has been edited by FM: 16 March 2012 - 10:06 AM

[PaBap62l]

Oh my, what fawning nonsense. Nobody ever mentions the 800# Gorilla - Apple's "closed" system where you are forced to buy via Big Brother's sales channels. No external storage either.

And just as Asus leapfrogged the iPad2 with the Prime, their next-gen tablet will leapfrog the iPad3. It's a game that strongly benefits consumers and I like it...

[artzy65]

XeridianDarkmoon, on 16 March 2012 - 05:02 AM, said:

AchmadOsmantun5, on 16 March 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

Given the problem with Android that it spies on everything that you do and chows through your bandwidth bundle to report it back to Google makes it a non-starter - period. I would not buy an android device even if the opposition was not as good as it is.

Dude, you really don't know much or are just a serious fanboy that doesn't do research. Apple has the same keyloggers on their ipads and iphones that android does. The difference is, if you root an Android you can take it off most of them with no prob, if you take it off the apples you will get major lockup issues.

Not to mention those keyloggers — and other malware — invading your iPad/iPhone/iPod and being passed through the cloud to your other Apple devices including your MacBook, etc. I use Intego VirusBarrier X6 on my Macs plus the app ($2.99) on my iPod touch. Intego claims they protect against all sorts of malware. They do update regularly, as advertised, about every 5 days or so in my case. Reviews of their product rate it as the best virus/malware/trojan/worm/etc protection for OS X and iOS.

Scans of files received by e-mail, on remote locations, or on iOS devices
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Scans files for spyware, Trojan horses, adware, hacker tools, dialers, keyloggers and more
Scans ZIP archives
Repairs infected files
Scans email attachments, files downloaded from Safari, and files accessed by applications supporting inter-app file transfers.
Scans remote locations in the cloud, such as Dropbox, iDisks and WebDav disks
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I don't work for Intego BTW. I'm just a satisfied customer.

This post has been edited by artzy65: 16 March 2012 - 10:58 AM

[PaBap62l]

FM, on 16 March 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

David50ox, on 16 March 2012 - 06:56 AM, said:

My understanding is that many of the makers of Android hardware (looking at you Samsung) also make most of the components and technology that Apple uses in assembling their 'state of the art' products. So if they know Apple wants to release a tablet with a "retina" display (because they make the freakin screens for them), why not make your own first? Apple must be doing something sneaky behind doors in creating these supply contracts. This is possibly why it always 'seems' like Apple releases the industry standard and then the others (who make the damn Apple components) play catch up.

Smells fishy.

Well, my understanding is it's likely about $$ and contracts to tie up exclusives. Apple will pay more to retain rights for these products before the manufacturer itself can use them.

Well, I'm in the camp if it quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Apple is using the same strong-arm tactics that Microsoft did. And will pay the price when someone has the cajones to stand up for their rights.

[KLanD]

crosswordbob, on 16 March 2012 - 08:23 AM, said:

MikeYostjodt, on 16 March 2012 - 07:09 AM, said:

They are succesful because of the brand. Apple FINALLY introduced 4G LTE into one of it's devices and everyone in the crowd was in shock. I have had a 4G LTE SMARTPHONE since March of LAST YEAR! The fact that it took them this long to put out a 4G LTE device while Android is almost completely switched over makes me laugh at just how far behind Apple is yet everyone still loves them.

The fact that it took them this long is because they don't like to put out products that struggle to last more than a few hours. Let me know when you can get 9 hours LTE use on your phone.

9 hrs continuous or just with the antenna on?

Cause I don't think even the iPad can do 9hrs continuous LTE.

[KLanD]

FM, on 16 March 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

Can't really compare how many cores Tegra has versus Imagination Technology's cores (the ones Apple licenses), as the architecture is different. Would be like comparing dual core Atom CPU to dual core i5 CPU. Tegra 3 was demonstrated running over 1 year ago (Feb 2011), so a newer product should have some performance increase. The other thing is Nvidia has over 15 years of gaming development experience (Windows and Playstation, etc...), so creating a gaming experience for hardware they know about.

I personally would think the benchmarks might be in error or inconsistent concerning the Galaxy and the Transformer Prime, but it could be they run at different modes based on supported features.

That was exactly my point. If the Benchmarking software is designed to work with 2 core CPU and 4-6 core Gpu, it won't give very accurate results on a quad/16.

Also, why did they use GLB 2.1? Why not 2.5 or 3.0?

[crosswordbob]

KLanD, on 16 March 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

crosswordbob, on 16 March 2012 - 08:23 AM, said:

MikeYostjodt, on 16 March 2012 - 07:09 AM, said:

They are succesful because of the brand. Apple FINALLY introduced 4G LTE into one of it's devices and everyone in the crowd was in shock. I have had a 4G LTE SMARTPHONE since March of LAST YEAR! The fact that it took them this long to put out a 4G LTE device while Android is almost completely switched over makes me laugh at just how far behind Apple is yet everyone still loves them.

The fact that it took them this long is because they don't like to put out products that struggle to last more than a few hours. Let me know when you can get 9 hours LTE use on your phone.

9 hrs continuous or just with the antenna on?

Cause I don't think even the iPad can do 9hrs continuous LTE.

I haven't tried, since I got the wifi only model, but 9 hourse browsing is what Apple are claiming, and I see no reason to doubt it. I'm sure I read reports that they specifically refused to include LTE until they were able to get decent battery life out of it.

[linuxrants7xpg]

KLanD, on 16 March 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

9 hrs continuous or just with the antenna on?

Cause I don't think even the iPad can do 9hrs continuous LTE.

Apple's playing their "up to" game again. They love that little trick. Their product specs claim "Up to 9 hours of surfing the web using cellular data network." Since Apple's claim includes the "up to" in it, we can assume that that's the maximum time they were able to accomplish. Other manufacturers are more forthcoming with their specs. The Razr Maxx was able to pull of 8 hours and 25 minutes of continuous LTE use, or just 35 minutes less than the iPad. Given Apple's "up to" claims, I'd wager that the Razr Maxx's battery compares favorably to the iPad for usage.

[KLanD]

crosswordbob, on 16 March 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

KLanD, on 16 March 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

crosswordbob, on 16 March 2012 - 08:23 AM, said:

MikeYostjodt, on 16 March 2012 - 07:09 AM, said:

They are succesful because of the brand. Apple FINALLY introduced 4G LTE into one of it's devices and everyone in the crowd was in shock. I have had a 4G LTE SMARTPHONE since March of LAST YEAR! The fact that it took them this long to put out a 4G LTE device while Android is almost completely switched over makes me laugh at just how far behind Apple is yet everyone still loves them.

The fact that it took them this long is because they don't like to put out products that struggle to last more than a few hours. Let me know when you can get 9 hours LTE use on your phone.

9 hrs continuous or just with the antenna on?

Cause I don't think even the iPad can do 9hrs continuous LTE.

I haven't tried, since I got the wifi only model, but 9 hourse browsing is what Apple are claiming, and I see no reason to doubt it. I'm sure I read reports that they specifically refused to include LTE until they were able to get decent battery life out of it.

I'd have to see it TBH. Then again, who surfs for 9hrs straight?

Easy test would be to to see if Wifi will last 9hrs, if it doesn't LTE certainly won't. Also, if they did the test with text/minor photo only sites I could see that.

My S2 easily goes all day with constant LTE use, I mean LTE is always on, my 2 email accounts update every few min, I usually have a few other apps running in the background all day (ebay, stocks, etc.) and I browser every so often, but I can't see it lasting all day under heavy use.. streaming video or playing an online game.. all day.

[RobertoRecine]

http://gizmodo.com/5...-versus-tegra-3

[BusTree]

I think the tone of this article is quite biassed and promotes the new ipad.

There's also no comparison done on touch screen sensitivity or accuracy, which is the primary input for the device so has got to be important, and yet is not even mentioned.

For me, I use my tablet mainly for watching movies, surfing the web and keeping track of my emails and daily schedule.

All my movies are compressed to save space so I'm simply not interested in a high resolution screen. That's what my tv's for.

Being able to use my tablet to take notes with a pen however, that's something I could use.

The top tablet in my books is the new Galaxy Note 10.1. It does everything I need it to, plus raises the benchmark in the right direction.

[crosswordbob]

linuxrants7xpg, on 16 March 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

KLanD, on 16 March 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

9 hrs continuous or just with the antenna on?

Cause I don't think even the iPad can do 9hrs continuous LTE.

Apple's playing their "up to" game again. They love that little trick. Their product specs claim "Up to 9 hours of surfing the web using cellular data network." Since Apple's claim includes the "up to" in it, we can assume that that's the maximum time they were able to accomplish. Other manufacturers are more forthcoming with their specs. The Razr Maxx was able to pull of 8 hours and 25 minutes of continuous LTE use, or just 35 minutes less than the iPad. Given Apple's "up to" claims, I'd wager that the Razr Maxx's battery compares favorably to the iPad for usage.

Are they? The Razr Maxx spec sheet doesn't even give a data-usage time. I know from reviews that it's superb, but trying to paint Apple as uniquely dishonest with their spec sheets is pure prejudice.

This post has been edited by crosswordbob: 16 March 2012 - 12:50 PM