[tonyvggq]

new ipad is heavier than ipad 2, r u kidding me?

[WillFrame]

tonyvggq, on 18 March 2012 - 12:42 AM, said:

new ipad is heavier than ipad 2, r u kidding me?

I know. Larger batteries weigh more than smaller ones. Who'd have thought?

[Nuke61]

linuxrants7xpg, on 17 March 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

Just pointing out that the "9 hours" mentioned for the iPad was probably an upper limit. If you'd care to provide something to refute that, please commence. Otherwise, you've done nothing to prove me wrong and your comment was really good for nothing other than snark.

Speaking of snark, wasn't that the point of you saying the following?

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Apple's playing their "up to" game again. They love that little trick.

Would you rather they put out advertised battery life like Motorola does for their Xyboard and Xoom products?

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STANDBY TIME1
up to 48 days on 3G; 33 days on 4G
more than 19 days
up to 48 days on 3G; 33 days on 4G
up to approx. 14 days
http://www.motorola....productId=72804

I know I would much rather have times listed like Samsung does it:

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Battery
Li-Polymer, 7000 mAh
Usage Time: Up to 9 hours
Standby Time: Up to 1000 hours (Wi-Fi on), Up to 3900 hours (Wi-Fi off)
http://m.samsung.com...510UWYXAB#specs

Hmmm, it looks like Samsung loves that "up to" trick too -- which I find far more preferable to the nearly meaningless STANDBY TIME - unless Motorola think that their Xyboard and Xoom might sit on warehouse shelves for quite a while, in which case the standby time might be useful. Yes, that was snarky too

[Vulpinemac]

crosswordbob, on 16 March 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

Vulpinemac, on 16 March 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

I'm going to argue one specific point since the rest of your comment is subjective to your own needs.

BusTree, on 16 March 2012 - 12:38 PM, said:

There's also no comparison done on touch screen sensitivity or accuracy, which is the primary input for the device so has got to be important, and yet is not even mentioned.

This comparison was done some time back, admittedly with older models, that demonstrated Apple's touch screen sensitivity and accuracy as superior to their competition.

Now, if you were to ask me, I think the iPad's sensitivity is maybe too high--the least little touch could trigger an undesired action. On the other hand, the accuracy of tracking and placement are almost pixel-perfect and probably even more so with the higher resolution display. The only qualifying point is the size of the contact patch of your own fingertip. The nice thing is that neither the iPhone nor the iPad need a stylus to be functional whereas Samsung seems to think that a stylus is a positive factor even when there is high risk of losing that tool.

The ability to use a stylus is a positive, so long as it's optional. The fact that it may be lost doesn't really count against the device itself, since it continues to function without it.

Which is why styluses are third-party accessories for the iPad and quite functional. Let the user choose his own input devices rather than forcing them onto undesiring users.

This post has been edited by Vulpinemac: 18 March 2012 - 08:03 AM

[Vulpinemac]

JezteR101, on 17 March 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

Vulpinemac, on 16 March 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

The "shock" wasn't because of the 4G LTE but rather because nobody expected Apple to include it. Because of LTE's still limited availability, people figured it was added expense that wasn't needed as a selling point; despite most naysayers' commentary to the contrary. By including LTE, Apple managed to kill a talking point against them.

Oh did they ?!!
You are aware of the fact that the radiopart included in the new iPad is not usable in an european setting ? The LTE-feature is not available in most of Europe because we use different wave-lengths than int the states http://www.fiercewir...ies/2012-03-14. Most other brands use multi-wave-length equipment making them usable world-wide (like the Samsung Galaxy Tab LTE), but Apples arrogance makes this "new iPad" disabled and semi-cool in our part of the world. Still I guess most of the Macibarians will swallow this bitter pill and keep praising their new symbol of superiority, continuing the dance around the golden calf.....

Um.... Would you mind clarifying that? Based on what I've read, the new iPad is quite usable in Europe, Asia and almost everywhere else. All it takes is a region-specific MicroSD card.

For that matter, your link is broken.

This post has been edited by Vulpinemac: 18 March 2012 - 08:12 AM

[crosswordbob]

Vulpinemac, on 18 March 2012 - 08:02 AM, said:

crosswordbob, on 16 March 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

Vulpinemac, on 16 March 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

I'm going to argue one specific point since the rest of your comment is subjective to your own needs.

BusTree, on 16 March 2012 - 12:38 PM, said:

There's also no comparison done on touch screen sensitivity or accuracy, which is the primary input for the device so has got to be important, and yet is not even mentioned.

This comparison was done some time back, admittedly with older models, that demonstrated Apple's touch screen sensitivity and accuracy as superior to their competition.

Now, if you were to ask me, I think the iPad's sensitivity is maybe too high--the least little touch could trigger an undesired action. On the other hand, the accuracy of tracking and placement are almost pixel-perfect and probably even more so with the higher resolution display. The only qualifying point is the size of the contact patch of your own fingertip. The nice thing is that neither the iPhone nor the iPad need a stylus to be functional whereas Samsung seems to think that a stylus is a positive factor even when there is high risk of losing that tool.

The ability to use a stylus is a positive, so long as it's optional. The fact that it may be lost doesn't really count against the device itself, since it continues to function without it.

Which is why styluses are third-party accessories for the iPad and quite functional. Let the user choose his own input devices rather than forcing them onto undesiring users.

Sorry, but I don't see where you're coming from here. Samsung aren't forcing anything on anyone; they're making a range of devices that can be used either by touch or with a stylus—including fine-tipped styli, which are not possible with any of Apple's touch devices. Now that's not enough to convince me to switch away from my iPad, but it is unquestionably a positive feature.

[crosswordbob]

Vulpinemac, on 18 March 2012 - 08:08 AM, said:

JezteR101, on 17 March 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

Vulpinemac, on 16 March 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

The "shock" wasn't because of the 4G LTE but rather because nobody expected Apple to include it. Because of LTE's still limited availability, people figured it was added expense that wasn't needed as a selling point; despite most naysayers' commentary to the contrary. By including LTE, Apple managed to kill a talking point against them.

Oh did they ?!!
You are aware of the fact that the radiopart included in the new iPad is not usable in an european setting ? The LTE-feature is not available in most of Europe because we use different wave-lengths than int the states http://www.fiercewir...ies/2012-03-14. Most other brands use multi-wave-length equipment making them usable world-wide (like the Samsung Galaxy Tab LTE), but Apples arrogance makes this "new iPad" disabled and semi-cool in our part of the world. Still I guess most of the Macibarians will swallow this bitter pill and keep praising their new symbol of superiority, continuing the dance around the golden calf.....

Um.... Would you mind clarifying that? Based on what I've read, the new iPad is quite usable in Europe, Asia and almost everywhere else. All it takes is a region-specific MicroSD card.

For that matter, your link is broken.

http://www.cultofmac...n-lte-networks/

It works on 3G in Europe, but not only do few (if any) European countries have LTE, but the frequencies that US LTE carriers use—and hence the frequencies that the iPad uses—are allocated to different services, and when LTE is rolled out, it won't use them.

Edit: This, I believe, was the link he was aiming for.

This post has been edited by crosswordbob: 18 March 2012 - 08:29 AM

[linuxrants7xpg]

Nuke61, on 18 March 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:

Speaking of snark, wasn't that the point of you saying the following?

No, the point was to show that the 9 hours claimed was in all likelihood an upper limit and not average usage (which I've already said).

Nuke61, on 18 March 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:

Hmmm, it looks like Samsung loves that "up to" trick too

I never claimed that Apple was the only one that played that game. Now, if you've got something to offer, please commence. Otherwise, your snark appears to be the only point of this post, and I'm not interested in wasting time with more.

[facety]

XeridianDarkmoon, on 16 March 2012 - 05:04 AM, said:

What's funny is, the one test that really matters the Androids win at. Most people use their Tablets to browse the web more than anything.
I also know most don't want to be tied to AT&T and their crappy service.

It's sold by Verizon, too.

[Nuke61]

linuxrants7xpg, on 18 March 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

No, the point was to show that the 9 hours claimed was in all likelihood an upper limit and not average usage

If that were the only point, there would have been no need to add the 'up to their games' comment. Just an innocent slip of the fingers, right?

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I never claimed that Apple was the only one that played that game.

Nor did I claim that you made the claim that Apple were the one ones doing the "up to" for battery time. However, you also said:

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Other manufacturers are more forthcoming with their specs.

Really? Which companies are those? Motorola quotes a fairly meaningless standby time, and Samsung uses the same "up to" time method that Apple uses.

[linuxrants7xpg]

Nuke61, on 18 March 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

If that were the only point, there would have been no need to add the 'up to their games' comment. Just an innocent slip of the fingers, right?

How's about this? I'll write like I write. You write like you write. When I want your advice on what I should and shouldn't write, I'll ask.

Nuke61, on 18 March 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

Really? Which companies are those? Motorola quotes a fairly meaningless standby time, and Samsung uses the same "up to" time method that Apple uses.

I'm not interested in wherever it is that you're attempting to take this discussion. I made my statement. Apple's "up to" 9 hours is more than likely a maximum limit, and not something that can be expected for common use. If you'd like to refute that, please do. Otherwise, I'm done here.

[rat7]

Where are the PlayBook

[crosswordbob]

linuxrants7xpg, on 18 March 2012 - 06:30 PM, said:

I'm not interested in wherever it is that you're attempting to take this discussion.

He's not taking it anywhere. You stated that other manufacturer's are more forthcoming. Now you're trying to obfuscate that fact by turning it on Nuke61. Poor show.

[TRFGompsgmkn]

From a cost perspective, Android will gain more users. If Apple drops it's prices more and adds MicroSD, you might see them gain more users. I have used both the iPad and a tablet running Honeycomb. I like the Android as of right now.

[joey301]

I got the Ipad2 and fell in love with it. I got the Moto Droid Bionic and hated it. So, now I have the ipad3 and continue to love it. Google needs to find a company that can make decent hardware to match its innovative software. The good news is that there is a good Google app for the ipad, so I have not lost anything.

[RMAM2011]

Bogus comparison.

At the risk of sounding impolite, I will say that it seems that the author of this article is on Apple's payroll.

[joey301]

RMAM2011, on 19 March 2012 - 05:17 AM, said:

Bogus comparison.

At the risk of sounding impolite, I will say that it seems that the author of this article is on Apple's payroll.

wow, I wish I were on their payroll. I would write whatever they asked me to. Would I get stock options?

[Nuke61]

linuxrants7xpg, on 18 March 2012 - 06:30 PM, said:

Nuke61, on 18 March 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

If that were the only point, there would have been no need to add the 'up to their games' comment. Just an innocent slip of the fingers, right?

How's about this? I'll write like I write. You write like you write. When I want your advice on what I should and shouldn't write, I'll ask.

You implied that Apple was up to some sort of trick, "their" tricks, when the reality is that it's not "theirs" because other companies do it too. Furthermore, what Apple do is likely the far better method to report battery life.

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I'm not interested in wherever it is that you're attempting to take this discussion. I made my statement.

I'm not attempting to take the discussion anywhere -- all I did was to ask you to back up your claim of "Other manufacturers are more forthcoming with their specs."-- but apparently that really isn't true, is it? Is the 9 hours of LTE use likely the maximum? Of course it is, otherwise they would have said "up to" some other number of hours or minutes. But is that some trick that Apple are playing? Are they being less forthcoming than other companies about battery life? Nope.

In fact, Apple have been among the most forthcoming companies with regard to battery life, which is in direct contradiction to your claim that some nebulous "other" companies are more forthcoming. Apple have not yet published how they conducted testing for the new iPad, but for the iPad 2 they published the following:

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Testing conducted by Apple in February 2011 using preproduction iPad 2 units and software. Testing consisted of full battery discharge while performing each of the following tasks: video playback, audio playback, and Internet browsing using Wi-Fi or 3G. Video content was a repeated 2-hour 23-minute movie purchased from the iTunes Store. Audio content was a playlist of 358 unique songs, consisting of a combination of songs imported from CDs using iTunes (128-Kbps AAC encoding) and songs purchased from the iTunes Store (256-Kbps AAC encoding). Internet over Wi-Fi and 3G tests were conducted using dedicated web and mail servers, browsing snapshot versions of 20 popular web pages, and receiving mail once an hour. All settings were default except: Wi-Fi was associated with a network (except for Internet browsing over 3G); the Wi-Fi feature Ask to Join Networks and Auto-Brightness were turned off. Battery life depends on device settings, usage, and many other factors. Battery tests are conducted using specific iPad 2 units; actual results may vary. http://www.apple.com...eries/ipad.html

Can you point us to any other company literature that has explicity stated how they peformed their testing?

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Otherwise, I'm done here.

I doubt it, but feel free to prove me wrong.

[RayInLV]

I wear glasses, so i don't need i3

[Vulpinemac]

crosswordbob, on 18 March 2012 - 08:24 AM, said:

Vulpinemac, on 18 March 2012 - 08:08 AM, said:

JezteR101, on 17 March 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

Vulpinemac, on 16 March 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

The "shock" wasn't because of the 4G LTE but rather because nobody expected Apple to include it. Because of LTE's still limited availability, people figured it was added expense that wasn't needed as a selling point; despite most naysayers' commentary to the contrary. By including LTE, Apple managed to kill a talking point against them.

Oh did they ?!!
You are aware of the fact that the radiopart included in the new iPad is not usable in an european setting ? The LTE-feature is not available in most of Europe because we use different wave-lengths than int the states http://www.fiercewir...ies/2012-03-14. Most other brands use multi-wave-length equipment making them usable world-wide (like the Samsung Galaxy Tab LTE), but Apples arrogance makes this "new iPad" disabled and semi-cool in our part of the world. Still I guess most of the Macibarians will swallow this bitter pill and keep praising their new symbol of superiority, continuing the dance around the golden calf.....

Um.... Would you mind clarifying that? Based on what I've read, the new iPad is quite usable in Europe, Asia and almost everywhere else. All it takes is a region-specific MicroSD card.

For that matter, your link is broken.

http://www.cultofmac...n-lte-networks/

It works on 3G in Europe, but not only do few (if any) European countries have LTE, but the frequencies that US LTE carriers use—and hence the frequencies that the iPad uses—are allocated to different services, and when LTE is rolled out, it won't use them.

Edit: This, I believe, was the link he was aiming for.

Ok, I won't argue the possibility that he is correct; however, considering the article was written before anyone could get their hands on a physical model out for European sale, we really don't know if that is pure conjecture or reality. Making assumptions, even if based on educated guesses, can still be a problem. What I haven't seen since is either confirmation or a refutal of the apparent issue.