[bear90039]

Look at how large the battery is. It has every single other one beat.
The Galaxy Tab is almost 5mAh smaller and takes nearly just as much time to charge.
Melissa, in the blog world , You are a troll queen.
The Asus battery is 1/3 the size if the New iPad, and funny takes a little more than 1/3 recharge time. That makes it inferior, does it not.

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ArthurHalewqge, on 22 March 2012 - 03:56 AM, said:

That chart is embarassing for new iPad owners... basically a downgrade. Makes me glad I opted for the Transformer Prime.

look at the numbers. the iPad has the largest battery. MUCH larger than any of it's competition. It also takes much longer to go dead. comparatively the new Ipad is the champ. but you really must look at the mAh vs minutes to be fair. It's 3rd grade math. do it.

[QUADICON]

sadex76, on 22 March 2012 - 07:16 AM, said:

MichaelPfeiffer, on 21 March 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

Problem?
It seems that Apple didn't do enough testing on the New iPad: Heating issues, image processing issues, battery charging issues. It's almost like when Microsoft went from XP to Vista... Except Apple is better off at this stage...

Yes it is without a doubt a truth that in a year of development no one at Apple ever bothered to recharge an iPad while using it or felt it ran a little warmer. It is only us consumers with our busier schedules, more sensitive fingers, and different laws of physics that notice these little things.

I am sure they did, but that doesn't mean it mattered. Just rememebr this. With older Mac's, Steve had them release products that had no heatsinks and fans. Even when the engineers reported this was an issue, Apple released them anyways. When they stopped working Apple charged users for the repair until someone sued them for it and it was revealed this was a known issue. Apple was forced to repair the Macs at no cost and refund those they did charge. Apple said theer was no issue with the antenna in the iPhone 4. test showed otherwise. Steve later admitted that in testing they did notice some small issues but felt they were no big deal. Yet they spent millions of dollars to have a piece of runnder designed for the sides of the device, when Apple NEVER made such for any device prior to the iPhone 4. They tried to sell it as a decorative item, as if it was a case. Its purpose at $30 would not provide the type of protection a case would as a case covers the side and the back. How is it Apple didn't make a case for the 4, but made a band that only fitted the sides? Does this not show that they knew of an issue and release an impaired device anyways?

I guess it depends on how you look at it.

But then explain this. Every model of the iPhone has had WiFi connection issues, battery issues and more. All iPads that had radios that use the carriers signal for networking also had cnnectivity issues on first release or subsiquent software releases.

Could this not be showing as we have seen in production for other products, that when productions numbers go up, quality always goes down?
Company's like Ford and even GM, Toyota and Honda who always had very high quality cars in the past, all start to have quality issues whenproduction numbers significantly increase. GM especially was riddled with millions of call backs. Even Ford of late have had millions of call backs on the F150.

Money has become more important than maing quality products these days. In the past 10 years, over 45,000 factories in the USA packed their bags and moved to China or other Asian countries. Why? It wasn't becasue no one was buying their product. It was for cheaper labor so that they can make higher profits because they can get the same or more work done for less money. Do you think a person getting paid what iw equal to $17USD per week is going to do the same quality of work by a person who gets paid $17USD per hr?

Facts show that Macbooks that were made with components that were not by Samsung, has more reliability issues vs those that were. Which is likely whay Apple uses Samsung for the vast majority of components. They have a histroy of making better quality stuff. However, could that too be changing as production numbers are going up?

We aren't taking the ratio of problem vs sales numbers. I am talking as to wther the device should have certain types of problems.

[nonseq]

disreputablegeeks, on 21 March 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

me thinks you doth protest too much and are forgetting basic math.
356 minutes is 5 hours and 56 minutes not 6 hours and 56 minutes. you owe apple and samsung an apology. 11666 mAh battery, with proper charging technology applied, from 3% to full in 5:56. Sign me up apple!

Spot on, sir/madam.

[QUADICON]

bear90039, on 22 March 2012 - 08:40 AM, said:

ArthurHalewqge, on 22 March 2012 - 03:56 AM, said:

That chart is embarassing for new iPad owners... basically a downgrade. Makes me glad I opted for the Transformer Prime.

look at the numbers. the iPad has the largest battery. MUCH larger than any of it's competition. It also takes much longer to go dead. comparatively the new Ipad is the champ. but you really must look at the mAh vs minutes to be fair. It's 3rd grade math. do it.

Well I wouldn't say it takes longer to go dead. The Asus Transfromer as a 3300mah battery. It has 9.5 hours of runtime and up to 16hrs on the dock.
The Galaxy 10.1 also has a run time of 9 hours on a full charge and it has a 7000 mah battery. It also uses the Cortex A9 dualcore, tho it uses the Tegra 2. But you also have to consider that even tho it has a lesser resolution, it does have a bigger screen and the battery is still smaller. Also the CPU in the Tab is not underclocked either.

[crosswordbob]

QUADICON, on 22 March 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

Apple said theer was no issue with the antenna in the iPhone 4. test showed otherwise.

No they didn't.

QUADICON said:

Steve later admitted that in testing they did notice some small issues but felt they were no big deal.

Because they were.

QUADICON said:

Yet they spent millions of dollars to have a piece of runnder designed for the sides of the device, when Apple NEVER made such for any device prior to the iPhone 4. They tried to sell it as a decorative item, as if it was a case. Its purpose at $30 would not provide the type of protection a case would as a case covers the side and the back. How is it Apple didn't make a case for the 4, but made a band that only fitted the sides? Does this not show that they knew of an issue and release an impaired device anyways?

No it doesn't, as has been explained to you countless times.

[QUADICON]

bear90039, on 22 March 2012 - 08:31 AM, said:

Look at how large the battery is. It has every single other one beat.
The Galaxy Tab is almost 5mAh smaller and takes nearly just as much time to charge.
Melissa, in the blog world , You are a troll queen.
The Asus battery is 1/3 the size if the New iPad, and funny takes a little more than 1/3 recharge time. That makes it inferior, does it not.

What you might be missing is this. The new iPad is using MORE power than the charger being able to charge the battery while you are using it. Even if the battery is charging slowly, it shouldn't be dropping while being plugged in. It should be charging even if very slowly. If I fire up my device and the battery says 30%, then after 2 hours of heavy usage while plugged in, it should n0t be lower than 30%. I think this is what users are talking about. Maybe it shoudl have reached 40% in that 2 hours. It shoudln't be down to 20%. if so, that means it charging way to slow while being plugged it. Which means it won't charge up at all while in use. It will only charge after you've turned it off.

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crosswordbob, on 22 March 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

QUADICON, on 22 March 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

Apple said theer was no issue with the antenna in the iPhone 4. test showed otherwise.

No they didn't.

QUADICON said:

Steve later admitted that in testing they did notice some small issues but felt they were no big deal.

Because they were.

QUADICON said:

Yet they spent millions of dollars to have a piece of runnder designed for the sides of the device, when Apple NEVER made such for any device prior to the iPhone 4. They tried to sell it as a decorative item, as if it was a case. Its purpose at $30 would not provide the type of protection a case would as a case covers the side and the back. How is it Apple didn't make a case for the 4, but made a band that only fitted the sides? Does this not show that they knew of an issue and release an impaired device anyways?

No it doesn't, as has been explained to you countless times.

To your first point, yes they did. Steve Jobs said, there was no problem, you're holding it wrong. And I am not quoting specific words. But did he not say similar? Yes he did...here on PCW, they quoted him saying in an email, it was a "non-issue". Doesn't that mean theer is no problem? No issue is equal to no problem.

Jobs also replied to a few complaints sent to his e-mail inbox. One MacRumors reader asked Jobs what is going to be done about the signal dropping issue, and the Apple CEO replied in his typical brief manner: "Non issue. Just avoid holding it in that way."

It was RUMORED an engineer at Apple warned of such issues. Steve admitted later that during testing they saw seom problems and his words were, he/they didn't think it was a big deal.

Every single model of iPhone and iPad had conectivity issue with Wifi and 3G. ALL OF THEM.

If they test such devices, such issues shoudl have been noticed. Right? They released them anyways...right?
So you are going to sit there and claim they didn't knowing release devices that they knew had problems?
Oh and it wasn't just a mistake they happen to have a rubber band that covered only the sides of the device which they sold as a decoartive item. Yet it turns out, the device needed the band in order to prevent accidentical touching of the bands. Because NATURALLY people were holding the device in such a way it binded the gaps. the band prevents that. That was not some amazing buper they jist made to look pretty for decor. It was designed for a purpose. The purpose became a reality when 100's of people compalined of dropped calls and covering the gaps cause them to lose conectivity. There are 100's of videos showing the problem could be repeated on ALL GSM enabled iPhone 4's. It showed that the AT&T model because of the addition of their horrible network, simply made the problem worse, while those on Orange for example has little to no issue at all. The Verizon iPhone 4 when covering the gaps, shows no change in the use at all, which means they fised the problem, in addition to the fact CDMA has technologies that cause it to work better than GSM. Which is why a Verizon phone will work in a subway tunnel or elevator and an ATT model won't.

Even blogs said it look suspect that in the years of Apple making products, they had never made cases for them, it was always left to 3rd parties. Even at the store, Apple only sold 3rd party cases. The only accesories I ever saw that weer Apple brand were cords or headphones. NEVER cases...EVER!

Even Microsoft release Windows knowing that the software will have issues and still having unfixed issues when it goes Gold. That is fact. It si likely seen as small and that they have time to fix the issue over time. This isn't wrong within itself.

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QUADICON, on 22 March 2012 - 09:09 AM, said:

To your first point, yes they did. Steve Jobs said, there was no problem, you're holding it wrong. And I am not quoting specific words. But did he not say similar? Yes he did...here on PCW, they quoted him saying in an email, it was a "non-issue". Doesn't that mean theer is no problem? No issue is equal to no problem.

I wasn't talking about Apple denying a problem, I'm telling you tests did not show otherwise.

QUADICON said:

Every single model of iPhone and iPad had conectivity issue with Wifi and 3G. ALL OF THEM.

That's your opinion.

QUADICON said:

So you are going to sit there and claim they didn't knowing release devices that they knew had problems?

I don't know—I'm not an Apple employee. But I see no evidence that they did.

QUADICON said:

Oh and it wasn't just a mistake they happen to have a rubber band that covered only the sides of the device which they sold as a decoartive item. Yet it turns out, the device needed the band in order to prevent accidentical touching of the bands. Because NATURALLY people were holding the device in such a way it binded the gaps. the band prevents that. That was not some amazing buper they jist made to look pretty for decor.

Nope, it protects the edges of the glass, and also lifts the glass off a flat surface. Like I say, that's been explained to you countless times.

[crosswordbob]

QUADICON, on 22 March 2012 - 09:09 AM, said:

Even blogs said it look suspect that in the years of Apple making products, they had never made cases for them, it was always left to 3rd parties. Even at the store, Apple only sold 3rd party cases. The only accesories I ever saw that weer Apple brand were cords or headphones. NEVER cases...EVER!

Wow! Even blogs?! Well that's conclusive then. After all, bloggers can't be wrong.

[ScottH78j6]

djdjohnson, on 21 March 2012 - 09:34 PM, said:

If you can get your iPad to charge in 6 hours you're doing great. Mine seems to only charge about 5-6% per hour, and it doesn't finish charging overnight. If I try to use it while it is on the charger, the battery percentage actually drops over time. And yes, I am using the provided charger and cable.

Which iPad model are you using, the 1, 2, or 3?

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QUADICON, on 22 March 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

Even if the battery is charging slowly, it shouldn't be dropping while being plugged in. It should be charging even if very slowly. If I fire up my device and the battery says 30%, then after 2 hours of heavy usage while plugged in, it should n0t be lower than 30%. I think this is what users are talking about. Maybe it shoudl have reached 40% in that 2 hours. It shoudln't be down to 20%. if so, that means it charging way to slow while being plugged it. Which means it won't charge up at all while in use. It will only charge after you've turned it off.

It sounds like it does charge at a slow rate while you're using it... but that it's possible, depending on what you're doing with it, to use power faster than the rate of charge. So if, while plugged in, your device falls from 30% to 20% after 2 hours, it doesn't mean it wasn't receiving charge... it's possible it would have fallen from 30% to 10% (or zero) if it weren't plugged in.

Still, this points to a serious issue, if this is indeed the case. If you are using it heavily all day, it sounds like it would be possible for it to fall to zero at some point and shut down, even if it were plugged in all day, rendering the device unusable until it had been left alone to charge for a while. That's the point at which I would say it's an unworkable situation, if you could own the device and find yourself unable to use it even if you plugged it in, because it consumes battery power faster than even the AC source can replenish it. That would be a very serious flaw, IMO.

[WallyDuke]

crosswordbob, on 22 March 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

MichaelPfeiffer, on 21 March 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

Problem?
It seems that Apple didn't do enough testing on the New iPad: Heating issues, image processing issues, battery charging issues. It's almost like when Microsoft went from XP to Vista... Except Apple is better off at this stage...

Or perhaps the media just make a much bigger deal of reported Apple issues than any other product. Remember all the tales of duff screens etc. with the iPad 2? Just as much kerfuffle, and now we learn that the actual rate of manufacturing faults was 0.3%. Most manufacturers would be thrilled with 0.3%.

You are right about the media blowing everything Apple out of proportion, but they do that with the good as well as the bad, so I don't think complaining about it is very justified.
That being said, there were two things I wanted to add.
1) A device that can actually discharge if used while plugged in. To me, that is a first. I've never seen anything do that before, but I cannot say it's never happened, just that I've never heard of it.
2) The company I work for makes car parts and not electronics, so this may be irrelevant, but 0.3% equates to 3,000 PPM. Not terrible, but also not very good. We target 1,000 PPM fall-out, we don't always achieve that, but that is the goal. But like I said, car parts and electronics are night and day in terms of goods, so it may not relate.

[waldojim]

slayman, on 22 March 2012 - 05:30 AM, said:

When you have a battery capacity larger than everything else, every percent of your charge is larger than a percent of every other. And, when you want/try to keep the temperature under "frying" range, you charge slow. Combine those, you have a slow charging ipad. Nature of the beast.. Apple isnt much worse or better than others there.

Hate to support (if you could call it support) Apple. but there you have it.

No, the charging rate is low because of what they use to charge it. USB spec only allows for .5A @ 5v. There are some motherboards that allow up to 1A, but those are few and far between.

[WallyDuke]

An 11,666mAh battery draining in about 10 hours. By my calculations, that is about a constant 1.2 amp dicharge current. No wonder it can discharge while plugged in. A typical smartphone charger performs the main charging cycle with a constant charging current of about 300-400mA (.3-.4A). I don't know anything about the iPad charger but it seems it isn't capable of exceeding a 1.2A charging current, which is really no suprise. No wonder this thing gets warm, 1.2A seems small but for portable electronics, it absolutely eclipses anything I have heard of, but I have never researched a tablet charger, only smartphone. It seems other tablets must use a much higher charging current than smartphones as well.

[crosswordbob]

WallyDuke, on 22 March 2012 - 10:41 AM, said:

You are right about the media blowing everything Apple out of proportion, but they do that with the good as well as the bad, so I don't think complaining about it is very justified.

Actually I think complaining about both is justified. Apple users would get a lot less stick if the press didn't slide straight from new product coverage into next product rumour coverage.

WallyDuke said:

1) A device that can actually discharge if used while plugged in. To me, that is a first. I've never seen anything do that before, but I cannot say it's never happened, just that I've never heard of it.

It's happened to me a few times when using rubbish power adaptors. My first iPhone charged off anything when new, but once it got towards the end of its life, some of my cheap unbranded adaptors would feed it less than it was using when streaming music. Likewise my first generation iPad struggled with chargers rated at less than 1A.

WallyDuke said:

2) The company I work for makes car parts and not electronics, so this may be irrelevant, but 0.3% equates to 3,000 PPM. Not terrible, but also not very good. We target 1,000 PPM fall-out, we don't always achieve that, but that is the goal. But like I said, car parts and electronics are night and day in terms of goods, so it may not relate.

Well I'm no expert, but I'd imagine the word “parts” could be key. The 0.3% figure refers to complete devices.

WallyDuke, on 22 March 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

An 11,666mAh battery draining in about 10 hours. By my calculations, that is about a constant 1.2 amp dicharge current. No wonder it can discharge while plugged in. A typical smartphone charger performs the main charging cycle with a constant charging current of about 300-400mA (.3-.4A). I don't know anything about the iPad charger but it seems it isn't capable of exceeding a 1.2A charging current, which is really no suprise. No wonder this thing gets warm, 1.2A seems small but for portable electronics, it absolutely eclipses anything I have heard of, but I have never researched a tablet charger, only smartphone. It seems other tablets must use a much higher charging current than smartphones as well.

The charger bundled with the new iPad claims to be rated for 2.1A @ 5V. I don't have the tools to verify this, but I'd be surprised if it came up significantly short. But previous Apple chargers were only rated for 1A, and I did indeed experience battery drain while plugged into one such. Of course that's not to say everyone reporting this issue are using the wrong charger, but it's not inconceivable that some are.

[xMoonDevilx]

Only takes my new iPad about 4 hours to recharge, and that's at or below say 14% battery left. Have noticed it is warm at times, but nothing at all at 116 degrees or even close...and I play games a lot. Recharges pretty well while plugged in too... given the fact I am actually using it at the time also. Guess my iPad was one of the good ones from the production line.

[briansturridge21gk]

very interesting to see the graph results. i have one and am a massive advocate of the ASUS Transformer Prime.this is just one of the performance perks in my humble opinion

[AsdfJkl1vri]

How does the Prime charge so fast?