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[CraigHepditch]

there is always ways around this and someone will unlock those games to use. And for mircosoft locking windows. i hope everyone switches to linux because i will be if that happens

[TerrenceNewton2zgr]

locking game discs to your account? that way, you won't even be able to lend your friends any games. i suppose the public would have to accept it if it was shoved down their throats.

as far as this 4096x2160 thing, well.. even if sony supported that display resolution, it would probably be one of those features that gets dropped pretty soon after, or even before the release of the console (like 2 HDMI ports on the PS3, or ps2 backwards compatibilty.. etc.). The market for that kind of resolution is so tiny that no developer would waste their resources developing for it. not to mention, 1080p is enough for most people.. so of course, this is all taken with a boatload of salt.

[NikoStanford]

This is will be the straw that broke playstation's back. With no second hand disc, Microsoft/XBOX will takeover market share and more playstation users will move toward XBOX.

[BrianDeLap]

Just a ploy to get everyone talking about the "New PS", we have all seen this before ad it's nothing new.

"Nothing to see here.. Move along."

[BrianDeLap]

Just a ploy to get everyone talking about the "New PS", we have all seen this before ad it's nothing new.

"Nothing to see here.. Move along."

[Johnny33cc]

If they restrict the games like this and Microsoft does not. You will see a flood of gamers to XBox and Sony will not even know what market share means. They will have none.

[samuraidrive]

I really think these rumors are stupid as [censored].

What about users who would rather not connect their console to the internet? Screw them?

[samuraidrive]

NikoStanford, on 29 March 2012 - 07:29 AM, said:

This is will be the straw that broke playstation's back. With no second hand disc, Microsoft/XBOX will takeover market share and more playstation users will move toward XBOX.

Rumor has it Microsoft is looking at the same thing. Insane...

[Evildave]

Actually, if they restricted 'second hand' games, their smaller developers (who said 'devlopers, devlopers, developers'?) will actually stand some small chance of making a profit on their games, rather than getting cut completely out.

And Microsoft's XBOX 720 (codename: Sit & Spin) will certainly do exactly the same things, since Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo are being RAPED by GameStop, Amazon, BlockBuster, etc. Everybody 'renting' and 'trading in' and 'sharing' games.

They're all moving towards downloaded content (ala 'iTunes'). and that's a good thing.

If you can get a $5 'trial' disk from the store, or order it, and pay online to 'activate' it, or if you want to (or just tell the console to download it overnight, or 'this week', for really big games), people will do it.

And if the COST PER GAME goes down (since in a download system, costs to get it onto 'shelves' go away, and games no longer have a 'shelf life' before all of the stores that 'exchange' games begin stealing all of the profits (GameStop is appropriately named), there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to 'buy' your new games for $40, perhaps even $20, instead of $60.

If Sony is really smart, they'll start building their 'PS4' right into their TV sets. Why have a wussy little embedded system?

[waynepennell]

Boot discs will make a come back or proxy loader. Playstation can even lock down their own network to protect consumers. How do they think they can lock it down even more? People will flee to the xbox also. Good Job morons!

[Joe0054]

Johnny33cc, on 29 March 2012 - 07:47 AM, said:

If they restrict the games like this and Microsoft does not....

From the article:
"Microsoft currently plans to lock down the Metro-style interface on Windows 8 PCs by restricting Metro-style apps to the company's own app store. ... At this point, however, Microsoft is going farther than Apple when it comes to PC lockdown."

[MarkBert]

TerrenceNewton2zgr, on 29 March 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

locking game discs to your account? that way, you won't even be able to lend your friends any games. i suppose the public would have to accept it if it was shoved down their throats.

as far as this 4096x2160 thing, well.. even if sony supported that display resolution, it would probably be one of those features that gets dropped pretty soon after, or even before the release of the console (like 2 HDMI ports on the PS3, or ps2 backwards compatibilty.. etc.). The market for that kind of resolution is so tiny that no developer would waste their resources developing for it. not to mention, 1080p is enough for most people.. so of course, this is all taken with a boatload of salt.

The only way it will be accepted is if it's shoved down our throats, and new legislation is passed because it was ruled that you are allowed to "jailbreak" your hardware, or put whatever software you want on it as long as the software is not illegal. The 4k res thing is the next big thing, and just remember what people were saying about the difference between 720 and 1080? People who have seen the new displays say there is a noticeable difference, and you need that res to display passive 1080p3D. As for developers wasting their resources, it's not much at all. If you play computer games, notice the long list of resolutions to choose from (most games.) You can go back and play a direct3d game from 1996 and play them at whatever resolution your system supports, even if that resolution wasn't even dreamed of being used back then. After 4k res it will double again in another decade or so, and even if you don't notice the difference right away, in a few years many people will say how pixelated "that 1080p" looks especially as TV's get bigger.
Sadly if the corporate fascism continues on the way it has been going it looks like we will no longer be renting or buying used games. The only way it won't is to vote with your wallet, and refuse to buy under the "new" model of business. Believe me, if people didn't already shy away from this type of business model we would already have said goodbye to used/rented games. They won't do it if they are making less money. So even if it starts out that way with the new system, if not enough people "buy" into it, it will quickly change. We'll have to wait and see what the consumer will put up with.

[Gooburgh]

NikoStanford, on 29 March 2012 - 07:29 AM, said:

This is will be the straw that broke playstation's back. With no second hand disc, Microsoft/XBOX will takeover market share and more playstation users will move toward XBOX.

You may want to take a look at the most recent Xbox news, as they are going to be doing the same thing...

[JoshFS]

I understand protecting yourself, and I also understand making a profit, but a big part of the fun of gaming is going to Movie Trading Co or other second-hand retailers and grabbing some game for $10 you've never heard of. You would NEVER buy some of those games at FULL price, and who knows, maybe it turns out that you love it. Shame. A lot of small developers will be thrust into obscurity. Unless, of course, Sony would have a "fire sale" or something periodically to let people have access to "iffy" games for cheap.

[JoshFS]

I understand protecting yourself, and I also understand making a profit, but a big part of the fun of gaming is going to Movie Trading Co or other second-hand retailers and grabbing some game for $10 you've never heard of. You would NEVER buy some of those games at FULL price, and who knows, maybe it turns out that you love it. Shame. A lot of small developers will be thrust into obscurity. Unless, of course, Sony would have a "fire sale" or something periodically to let people have access to "iffy" games for cheap.

[JeremyRoeqh2g]

Terrance 4096x2160 is a fledgling market and it will grow y the end of the year into the next. 4k will take over the TV industry. I am glad Sony will release a 4k Playstation. I will buy a 4k TV by the end of the year. The locking game feature will help game makers make more money. I am not against that.

[JeremyRoeqh2g]

Waynepennell did the read the article. Xbox is going to do the same thing. Lock there games to there system and to new use discs.

[Asketes]

Games are becoming less fun because of all this. It truly is ruining the mood and the ideas behind why gaming is such a fun thing to do.

No more lending a game to a friend when I beat it, no more bringing my games to my friends house.

I'm just really over all this, it's just become such a headache & a stomach ache; they have lost sight of the true nature that is gaming.

[RexPowers]

What upsets me about this is that it seems like the consumer is constantly being restricted due to these companies wanting to make up lost revenue. The last time I checked, the video game industry made more money than both the movie industry and music industry combined. Personally, I have purchased every single sony console, in multiples, since they came out. I have been loyal to the brand, like so many others, but I don't feel like that is being reciprocated. A word of advice for these companies. Lower the price of games remove all restrictions and people won't have a problem, in fact, you will end up making more money. Continue along this course, people simply won't buy your product, or someone will come along find a way for people to do it for free and you will lose even more revenue. Attempting to increase your value by eliminating choice doesn't make for a favourable return, it turns people away.