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[BruceMorris]

That retina display really makes a difference. Now I'm convinced I need a 16x9 display.

[IWASBS]

What a croc of [censored]!
I have seen several in-person surveys asking people to distinguish between the iPad2 and the new iPad...they can't. Almost every review surmises that it is not worth the money. Here is an article stating the same thing: http://review(DOT)cnet(DOT)com/8301-31747_7-57407090-243/why-im-returning-my-new-ipad-and-buying-a-kindle-fire/

[MrSatyre]

Retina display is utterly useless. This is just one more sad example of marketing hype and the lemmings that live for it. And the sad thing is, everyone who actually designs and manufactures FPDs knows it. Apple's supplier could have accomplished better results than the so-called Retina Display by improving sub-pixel processing, among others, for a fraction of the cost, all without increasing the resolution. People, it's 9/7"! You can't see the difference in resolution just because they tell you you can!

[nonseq]

IWASBS, on 01 April 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

What a croc of [censored]!
I have seen several in-person surveys asking people to distinguish between the iPad2 and the new iPad...they can't. Almost every review surmises that it is not worth the money. Here is an article stating the same thing: http://review(DOT)cnet(DOT)com/8301-31747_7-57407090-243/why-im-returning-my-new-ipad-and-buying-a-kindle-fire/

But, have you compared the new iPad display, side by side, with the iPad 2 and any other Android device? There is a huge and very perceptible difference in favor of the retina display. I've seen it and see it every day.

Until you have checked it out for yourself, you can't have an informed opinion. You can find bloggers out there who will complain about or discount any device, but Apple seems to draw the most criticism because articles about Apple grab more eyeballs.

[haxxorking]

I see people in stores comparing iPads (2 and "new") by looking at the screen from like 10cm and trying to see if the icons rounded corners are smooth or jagged. Other than that they can't tell them apart.
So, yea the Retina display is pretty much the only new cool thing on the new iPad. And I find it ironic that of all companies out there, it's Apples' arch nemesis (and Android friend) Samsung that manufactures this "magical" screen. (Sharp and LG will eventually too).
I'm not sure what the max supported res is in Android atm but you can be sure that sammy will eventually manufacture an even better screen for use in it's own tablets. Some rumors say 11,6" tablet would have a 2560x1600 res screen (and run Jelly beans?).
Anyhoo, "retina" is a relative term in a way. If you hold your iPad2 and "New iPad" at an arms length, can you easily tell them apart? Let's not hysterical over the 300dpi hype just yet. It's good that Apple drives the manufacturing in that direction, but we've been doing just fine without so far, I think we can wait a few more moths for the others to get their products out...

[nonseq]

haxxorking, on 01 April 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

I see people in stores comparing iPads (2 and "new") by looking at the screen from like 10cm and trying to see if the icons rounded corners are smooth or jagged. Other than that they can't tell them apart.
So, yea the Retina display is pretty much the only new cool thing on the new iPad. And I find it ironic that of all companies out there, it's Apples' arch nemesis (and Android friend) Samsung that manufactures this "magical" screen. (Sharp and LG will eventually too).
I'm not sure what the max supported res is in Android atm but you can be sure that sammy will eventually manufacture an even better screen for use in it's own tablets. Some rumors say 11,6" tablet would have a 2560x1600 res screen (and run Jelly beans?).
Anyhoo, "retina" is a relative term in a way. If you hold your iPad2 and "New iPad" at an arms length, can you easily tell them apart? Let's not hysterical over the 300dpi hype just yet. It's good that Apple drives the manufacturing in that direction, but we've been doing just fine without so far, I think we can wait a few more moths for the others to get their products out...

Hmmm Samsung may manufacture the screen but they didn't design or engineer it. I find it funny when folks think that having an manufacturing facility automatically makes the manufacturer the owner or source of vision/design/engineering of a component or device.

This post has been edited by nonseq: 01 April 2012 - 12:06 PM

[QiFanvig5]

App devs, Please use vector graphics. Dont use bitmaps for the high-res screens! Otherwise 64GB is not enough for a few apps!

[KerryManderbach]

nonseq, on 01 April 2012 - 11:54 AM, said:

IWASBS, on 01 April 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

What a croc of [censored]!
I have seen several in-person surveys asking people to distinguish between the iPad2 and the new iPad...they can't. Almost every review surmises that it is not worth the money. Here is an article stating the same thing: http://review(DOT)cnet(DOT)com/8301-31747_7-57407090-243/why-im-returning-my-new-ipad-and-buying-a-kindle-fire/

But, have you compared the new iPad display, side by side, with the iPad 2 and any other Android device? There is a huge and very perceptible difference in favor of the retina display. I've seen it and see it every day.

Until you have checked it out for yourself, you can't have an informed opinion. You can find bloggers out there who will complain about or discount any device, but Apple seems to draw the most criticism because articles about Apple grab more eyeballs.

I too have seen these reports, while not checking things out in person. Research scientists depend on peer-reviewed scholarly articles everyday to make certain points in their own research findings. They don't need to "check it out for themselves" in order to have an informed opinion... I'll stick with my Samsung products, which feature Super-AMOLED screens (phone and tablet) and 1080p/ 240 mhz Auto Motion Plus/ 3D/ Ultra Clear panels (TV).

This post has been edited by KerryManderbach: 01 April 2012 - 12:15 PM

[CaniblCat]

No doubt the next generation of Android/Windows tablets will have 2048x1280 displays, but resolution isn't as imortant as screen size.

Relating to screen ppi:
I own a Samsung Galaxy Ace phone (480x320 LCD) and yes there's a hige difference between it and my friend's iPhone 4 (960x640 AMOLED).
But I have another friend with a Galaxy SII (800x400 AMOLED) that looks every bit as good as the iPhone 4 display.
So does screen resolution make a difference, yes... to a point.
But I'll take a larger screen with a slightly lower resolution any day!

[crosswordbob]

MrSatyre, on 01 April 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

Retina display is utterly useless. This is just one more sad example of marketing hype and the lemmings that live for it. And the sad thing is, everyone who actually designs and manufactures FPDs knows it. Apple's supplier could have accomplished better results than the so-called Retina Display by improving sub-pixel processing, among others, for a fraction of the cost, all without increasing the resolution. People, it's 9/7"! You can't see the difference in resolution just because they tell you you can!

Correct. The fact that I can very much see the difference (it's night and day) has nothing whatsoever to do with what anyone tells me. The new iPad's display is superb—one glance at, say, the Kindle app is enough to see the difference, and it makes reading significantly more comfortable and enjoyable.

But what do I know? I only use the thing day in, day out. I'm sure your preconceived prejudices are of far more value than actual first-hand experience.

[ThumbsUp]

IWASBS, on 01 April 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

What a croc of [censored]!
I have seen several in-person surveys asking people to distinguish between the iPad2 and the new iPad...they can't. Almost every review surmises that it is not worth the money. Here is an article stating the same thing: http://review(DOT)cnet(DOT)com/8301-31747_7-57407090-243/why-im-returning-my-new-ipad-and-buying-a-kindle-fire/

Stop being such a little Android baby. They have reviews that say the opposite of what you're saying. The display is a significant difference and you can tell with both iPads side by side. Sure they may say it is not worth the upgrade from iPad 2 but from a crappy android tablet it would be a colossal upgrade, haha.

[Nuke61]

The biggest difference will be app support. While some Android tablets will come out that have the HARDWARE for a higher res display, when will thw apps catch up? At the rate the devs are coming out with Retina iPad support, they might soon pass the sum total of Android tablet-specific apps.

[pddcoo]

All of this works well except for two things: If you're on a data plan, the extra dense images eat up your allotment apart from the 2x to 4x size of the underlying programs. Even if you're wifi only, you will have problems with RAM capacity until Apple and the others upgrade that as well.

[Cameronba4h]

When people have Sh#t in their eyes, maybe like you, seeing is difficult.

[Cameronba4h]

MrSatyre, on 01 April 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

Retina display is utterly useless. This is just one more sad example of marketing hype and the lemmings that live for it. And the sad thing is, everyone who actually designs and manufactures FPDs knows it. Apple's supplier could have accomplished better results than the so-called Retina Display by improving sub-pixel processing, among others, for a fraction of the cost, all without increasing the resolution. People, it's 9/7"! You can't see the difference in resolution just because they tell you you can!

Seriously?! Then maybe you need to open your eyes and mind...

[Cameronba4h]

ThumbsUp, on 01 April 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

IWASBS, on 01 April 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

What a croc of [censored]!
I have seen several in-person surveys asking people to distinguish between the iPad2 and the new iPad...they can't. Almost every review surmises that it is not worth the money. Here is an article stating the same thing: http://review(DOT)cnet(DOT)com/8301-31747_7-57407090-243/why-im-returning-my-new-ipad-and-buying-a-kindle-fire/

Stop being such a little Android baby. They have reviews that say the opposite of what you're saying. The display is a significant difference and you can tell with both iPads side by side. Sure they may say it is not worth the upgrade from iPad 2 but from a crappy android tablet it would be a colossal upgrade, haha.

"From a crappy Android tablet"... They all are! I went the other day to a local Best Buy and ALL android tablet were pure bullcr@ppy pieces of plastic powered by an unfinished unpolished OS....

[JonGibson]

Sitting at regular viewing distance from my iMac 27" I have to really squint to see single pixels... 109dpi is what it's supposed to have... maybe 130 or 140 would be dense enough to consider it a 'Retina Display'... any ideas on this or articles? What would an iMac's pixel density have to be to qualify for the 'Retina' badge?

[cold]

Please do not bore us with stories about how you have more money than sense. Go buy you EyePads and give us a break. Jeez! And you get paid for this too???

[DianneHackborn]

"The problem is that I don't just have to wait for an Android device to ship with a high pixel density screen. I have to wait for most Android devices to have this kind of screen. Otherwise I don't see app developers putting the extra effort into creating high density assets just to please a fraction of the Android-using audience."

No you don't. Android's hdpi density is about 240dpi, so that is what these devices will use. Pretty much every application already has graphics for this density, since this is the same density of most of today's phones. (xhdpi or 320dpi graphics are also already appearing due to existing devices like the Galaxy Nexus.)

Android designed its screen support to clearly separate screen density and screen size so, for example, for almost all apps if you are supporting phone screens at 240dpi and 10" tablets at 160dpi, then you are automatically also supporting tablets at 240dpi and phones at 160dpi.