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[xyberviri]

The only problem with linux is the fragmentation. if you though complaining about android having a couple of builds linux literally has thousands of builds.

[linuxrants7xpg]

xyberviri, on 03 April 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

The only problem with linux is the fragmentation. if you though complaining about android having a couple of builds linux literally has thousands of builds.

Why is that a problem?

[TerryOlsonhuwg]

xyberviri, on 03 April 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

The only problem with linux is the fragmentation. if you though complaining about android having a couple of builds linux literally has thousands of builds.

Well, if you hate variety, Apple will fit you just fine. You can have the same OS on your phone, tablet, tv, and soon, your computer. Imagine it, that $2,000 computer you love will be no more powerful or usable than your phone!

[QUADICON]

Kathy up to making "noise" again. Microsoft still likely see Linux as still being a cancer, but likely also see advantages in Enterprises where Linux is being used side by side with Windows solutions.

Working together means Microosft will make more money being a bit more compatible, as oppose to always fighting.

Even Apple had to do a deal with the devil to get back in the game...right?

Doing what si best to survive in the dog-eat-dog tech world is where it is at.

I don't think Microsoft really hates linux. Remember they too had a Linux based OS call Zenix. They simply felt they could do better and whther you like it or not; they did.

[TOREZA33]

...It
is about the time fo LINUX to get out of the dark, and start douing some thing for civilization. Congratulation, Linux...

[linuxrants7xpg]

QUADICON, on 03 April 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

I don't think Microsoft really hates linux. Remember they too had a Linux based OS call Zenix. They simply felt they could do better and whther you like it or not; they did.

It was Xenix, and it was based on Version 7 Unix from AT&T, not Linux.

[YellowEagle]

xyberviri, on 03 April 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

The only problem with linux is the fragmentation. if you though complaining about android having a couple of builds Linux literally has thousands of builds.

It's funny you would say that, as i have asked on many many forums, Blogs and Linux Sites about fragmentation with Linux and they all say that it doesn't fragment or need a defragment tool. I find that not to be the case with any other OS. So what makes Linux different? and i have yet to get a real answer to this question. I have gotten many many different answers to that question and none of them the same. Though one person has told me it does fragment on some types of partitions. I personally believe it does Fragment, though i haven't a app or tool to be able to Check this out, though the way that it's built doesn't show up the slowness and some times the problems that other OS's have. And one person that had tried to answer my question said their use to be a defragment tool for Linux in the past. I couldn't find it.

Just like i have heard that a New installation of Windows doesn't need defragmented which is very very wrong from some people. Every time i install or reinstall Windows for a customer or even for myself i defragment the OS, it generally shows me a fragmentation report of between 90,000 files and directory's and upwards, Once all the Updates and Software that the Customer needs and or wants or, that i have normally installed on one of my Systems. I use a different De-fragment tool, then what is supplied with the OS as i think it does a better job and the Tools i use also optimizes the system and all it's files and directory's. I also use a Registry defragment and cleaning tool at least once a month. This keeps the system in it's best operating form.

I have had a version of Windows up and operating 24 hours a day for about 5 years with no problem. Till i took the system down due to age of it's components and i just use it for a Server box now. yep it's still chugging along just fine. I have a copy of XP 64 bit Professional, built under Server 2003 on that system. The only time it's ever shut down is for it's annual cleaning or Blowing the Dust out of it. And it gets and automatic defrag of it's system in the background.

So again does Linux need to be Defragmented or not? I would think so. Though the Tool it's self may be a built in part of the kernel and it keeps it's self defragmented, i don't know but that would be the way to go for a more robust and self sufficient system i would think. I haven't the expertise to look and know, though i am a fan of the operating system, and do play around with it, I'm stuck with Windows till the Time that more of Windows becomes more main stream with working with Linux. And yes i know that their are many apps and programs that do the same job but their are also many business's and systems that require Microsoft software. Some online colleges for example. And many of my games. I have run into this problem myself, or i would be using Linux full time.

This post has been edited by YellowEagle: 03 April 2012 - 12:46 PM

[GNUroot64]

YellowEagle, on 03 April 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

xyberviri, on 03 April 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

The only problem with linux is the fragmentation. if you though complaining about android having a couple of builds Linux literally has thousands of builds.

It's funny you would say that, as i have asked on many many forums, Blogs and Linux Sites about fragmentation with Linux and they all say that it doesn't fragment or need a defragment tool. I find that not to be the case with any other OS. So what makes Linux different? and i have yet to get a real answer to this question. I have gotten many many different answers to that question and none of them the same. Though one person has told me it does fragment on some types of partitions. I personally believe it does Fragment, though i haven't a app or tool to be able to Check this out, though the way that it's built doesn't show up the slowness and some times the problems that other OS's have. And one person that had tried to answer my question said their use to be a defragment tool for Linux in the past. I couldn't find it.

Just like i have heard that a New installation of Windows doesn't need defragmented which is very very wrong from some people. Every time i install or reinstall Windows for a customer or even for myself i defragment the OS, it generally shows me a fragmentation report of between 90,000 files and directory's and upwards, Once all the Updates and Software that the Customer needs and or wants or, that i have normally installed on one of my Systems. I use a different De-fragment tool, then what is supplied with the OS as i think it does a better job and the Tools i use also optimizes the system and all it's files and directory's. I also use a Registry defragment and cleaning tool at least once a month. This keeps the system in it's best operating form.

I have had a version of Windows up and operating 24 hours a day for about 5 years with no problem. Till i took the system down due to age of it's components and i just use it for a Server box now. yep it's still chugging along just fine. I have a copy of XP 64 bit Professional, built under Server 2003 on that system. The only time it's ever shut down is for it's annual cleaning or Blowing the Dust out of it. And it gets and automatic defrag of it's system in the background.

So again does Linux need to be Defragmented or not? I would think so. Though the Tool it's self may be a built in part of the kernel and it keeps it's self defragmented, i don't know but that would be the way to go for a more robust and self sufficient system i would think. I haven't the expertise to look and know, though i am a fan of the operating system, and do play around with it, I'm stuck with Windows till the Time that more of Windows becomes more main stream with working with Linux. And yes i know that their are many apps and programs that do the same job but their are also many business's and systems that require Microsoft software. Some online colleges for example. And many of my games. I have run into this problem myself, or i would be using Linux full time.

Wrong kind of fragmentation. The person was referring to how many distros there are, not file fragments.

This post has been edited by GNUroot64: 03 April 2012 - 12:54 PM

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xyberviri, on 03 April 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

The only problem with linux is the fragmentation. if you though complaining about android having a couple of builds linux literally has thousands of builds.

As far as I understand, this particular article talks about the Linux kernel.
The kernel is not fragmented. At least, not that fragmented as operating systems built on top of it.

[kronoscornelius]

Go Linux. The only reason Linux is in the dark is because there is no incentive to market it.

The Retina Display from iPhone for example sucks because it is old-tech LCD (OLED being best the market offers right now), but you would not know it from watching the commercials.

[YellowEagle]

kronoscornelius, on 03 April 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

Go Linux. The only reason Linux is in the dark is because there is no incentive to market it.

The Retina Display from iPhone for example sucks because it is old-tech LCD (OLED being best the market offers right now), but you would not know it from watching the commercials.

What? Red Hat's been marketed for many many years, Their are server versions of Linux that are marketed to. There is a lot of potential for marketing other forms of Linux, But for the most part keeping it free is what it's about. The marketed forms are company's that have went and done specific works to that form of Linux for the Business markets. I still have a marketed Set of Linux Red Hat setting on the shelf, about 4 disks worth. Yeah and it even has a code to activate it though don't know if i still have that after all these years.

[WalterLuffmanne4q]

linuxrants7xpg, on 03 April 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:

xyberviri, on 03 April 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

The only problem with linux is the fragmentation. if you though complaining about android having a couple of builds linux literally has thousands of builds.

Why is that a problem?

Fragmentation does slow mass acceptance, simply because there is no single "Linux" for newbies to get used to. The differences in the various distros can confuse people who are used to having a single OS that always does things the same way -- and with Windows or Mac OS X, a newbie can always ask a more experienced user for help getting over the rough spots.

I've been using Linux, along with Windows, since the early days when Red Hat was distributed on floppy discs. Most people today seem to prefer either Ubuntu or Linux Mint; I like Kubuntu, which is just Ubuntu with KDE instead of Unity or Gnome. The bottom line is, while I can serve as "tech support" for my Windows-using friends, I'm not a lot of help when someone needs help with their Linux distros.

Fragmentation of both distros and graphical environments is clearly slowing acceptance of Linux by ordinary desktop users; but it is certainly popular with IT professionals who run servers and Websites, and with advanced home users who enjoy a little experimentation.

Increasing adoption of Android -- and Google's push for manufacturers to stay close to the reference distribution, if that finally happens -- will do wonders for Linux adoption, especially as the main OS and its popular variant grow closer together in how they do things.

[YellowEagle]

I don't think Fragmentation is quite the word that is used in the Linux community i think it's called forked.

Fragmentation speaks more towards something broken or coming to pieces. Where in for the new person looking and reading this comments section would misinterpret what is being commented on.

Each Distro of Linux is a fork of the main version of Linux, or a fork of and exiting version. Or another words the first true version of Linux, Thus it is a new version of Linux with some different functions as in apps and programs, Desktop and other Functions used in that version. Some times it is also a fork of a Distro that has already been developed and goes in a slightly different direction. One of the better aspects of Linux is the fact that you as a person can take and develop a different version or fork of a Version of a Distro. Like Ubuntu being built off of Debian. Though these can have different desktops with different functionality as well.

Ubuntu is being developed along the lines more to get the new person more involved in Linux, though some Distro's are very user friendly already, Like Mint. People coming over say from Windows can still have the desktop experience, without having to use the Command bar. It gives them time to start to get use to that aspect of Linux and to grow as they want in the many facets of Linux. Opening up true Freedom in the operating system and it's functions. And what they can do with it on a day to day use.

This post has been edited by YellowEagle: 03 April 2012 - 07:58 PM

[linuxrants7xpg]

WalterLuffmanne4q, on 03 April 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

Fragmentation does slow mass acceptance, simply because there is no single "Linux" for newbies to get used to. The differences in the various distros can confuse people who are used to having a single OS that always does things the same way -- and with Windows or Mac OS X, a newbie can always ask a more experienced user for help getting over the rough spots.

Yet Android, which apparently also has this fragmentation "problem" shot past iOS easily, despite the fact that iOS doesn't have the same fragmentation "problem". No, I seriously doubt that "fragmentation" is an issue that's holding Linux back. It's just a popular buzz word with people looking to find negative things to say.

[oldschoolh4ck3r]

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. Microsoft knows this well.

[waldojim]

YellowEagle, on 03 April 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

xyberviri, on 03 April 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

The only problem with linux is the fragmentation. if you though complaining about android having a couple of builds Linux literally has thousands of builds.

It's funny you would say that, as i have asked on many many forums, Blogs and Linux Sites about fragmentation with Linux and they all say that it doesn't fragment or need a defragment tool. I find that not to be the case with any other OS. So what makes Linux different? and i have yet to get a real answer to this question. I have gotten many many different answers to that question and none of them the same. Though one person has told me it does fragment on some types of partitions. I personally believe it does Fragment, though i haven't a app or tool to be able to Check this out, though the way that it's built doesn't show up the slowness and some times the problems that other OS's have. And one person that had tried to answer my question said their use to be a defragment tool for Linux in the past. I couldn't find it.

Just like i have heard that a New installation of Windows doesn't need defragmented which is very very wrong from some people. Every time i install or reinstall Windows for a customer or even for myself i defragment the OS, it generally shows me a fragmentation report of between 90,000 files and directory's and upwards, Once all the Updates and Software that the Customer needs and or wants or, that i have normally installed on one of my Systems. I use a different De-fragment tool, then what is supplied with the OS as i think it does a better job and the Tools i use also optimizes the system and all it's files and directory's. I also use a Registry defragment and cleaning tool at least once a month. This keeps the system in it's best operating form.

I have had a version of Windows up and operating 24 hours a day for about 5 years with no problem. Till i took the system down due to age of it's components and i just use it for a Server box now. yep it's still chugging along just fine. I have a copy of XP 64 bit Professional, built under Server 2003 on that system. The only time it's ever shut down is for it's annual cleaning or Blowing the Dust out of it. And it gets and automatic defrag of it's system in the background.

So again does Linux need to be Defragmented or not? I would think so. Though the Tool it's self may be a built in part of the kernel and it keeps it's self defragmented, i don't know but that would be the way to go for a more robust and self sufficient system i would think. I haven't the expertise to look and know, though i am a fan of the operating system, and do play around with it, I'm stuck with Windows till the Time that more of Windows becomes more main stream with working with Linux. And yes i know that their are many apps and programs that do the same job but their are also many business's and systems that require Microsoft software. Some online colleges for example. And many of my games. I have run into this problem myself, or i would be using Linux full time.

How did you end up on such a wild tangent?

To answer your question, no. More often than not, the system does a well enough job to take care of itself. If you feel you must, there are tools for that, but most people will have absolutely no need.

[waldojim]

YellowEagle, on 03 April 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

I don't think Fragmentation is quite the word that is used in the Linux community i think it's called forked.

Fragmentation speaks more towards something broken or coming to pieces. Where in for the new person looking and reading this comments section would misinterpret what is being commented on.

Stop right there. You nailed it already. The extremist claiming Linux or Android are going to fail, try to use that very definition of fragmentation. It is known as sensationalizing. This has been abused by the media for quite some time now.

[LiveBrianD]

TerryOlsonhuwg, on 03 April 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

xyberviri, on 03 April 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

The only problem with linux is the fragmentation. if you though complaining about android having a couple of builds linux literally has thousands of builds.

Well, if you hate variety, Apple will fit you just fine. You can have the same OS on your phone, tablet, tv, and soon, your computer. Imagine it, that $2,000 computer you love will be no more powerful or usable than your phone!

Sadly, that's how Microsoft wants Windows 8 to be.

[LiveBrianD]

waldojim, on 04 April 2012 - 06:00 PM, said:

YellowEagle, on 03 April 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

I don't think Fragmentation is quite the word that is used in the Linux community i think it's called forked.

Fragmentation speaks more towards something broken or coming to pieces. Where in for the new person looking and reading this comments section would misinterpret what is being commented on.

Stop right there. You nailed it already. The extremist claiming Linux or Android are going to fail, try to use that very definition of fragmentation. It is known as sensationalizing. This has been abused by the media for quite some time now.

With Android, it's about phones being slow to get the same OS, with different bloatware and skins being forced on users (and the inclusion of the bloatware slows the phone down and makes updates take longer). With linux desktop OSes, it's more like choice. (there are only a few popular ones anyway, and often the way you use them is similar anyway, so that's not a big issue for tech support purposes) Come to think of it, for tech support, it's harder to tell people how to fix something on XP if you use win7 than to help someone with a different linux distro than the one you use. (I use VMs to get around this.)