[LiveBrianD]

Evildave, on 15 April 2012 - 09:41 PM, said:

What part of 'for grandma' did you miss? If such a machine is set for manual update, it will never be updated, ever.

The more important thing would be configuring grandma with a 'user' account and all the software she needs, and making a drive image snapshot for the next time Windoze self-destructs.

That way you can restore it trivially from that snapshot whenever there's an issue, and spend more quality time visiting, rather than being tech support.

I've heard that there are too many limitations with a limited user account under XP though. Besides, keep in mind that the XP install on that was probably 5 years old anyway.

[LiveBrianD]

waldojim, on 16 April 2012 - 12:11 AM, said:

I suggested DOWNLOAD ONLY - meaning that Windows update on restart only.

GRANDMA is the one who shuts her machine off every 5 minutes to save electricity - at least mine sure did. If nothing else, she was the one who had to make sure her machine was off every day so it didn't get struck by lightning.

GUESS WHAT?

The moment GRANDMA shuts her PC off, it will update! LIKE OMG! If you had a CLUE how Windows worked, you would have known this.

Hmm, mine doesn't do that... on the other hand, her PC was on ie7 for quite a while (wasn't Windows Update supposed to take care of that?). She uses Chrome now though, so I guess that part doesn't matter...

[LiveBrianD]

Evildave, on 16 April 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

A clue about how windows works?

No, you have it all wrong. I RARELY have those kinds off issues. Heck, the last time I had to deal with that, it was due to adobe reader or adobe flash, I forget which. And if you tell windows to kill a program, it DOES close. (though it takes a second or two)

[Grr8008]

Most annoying thing would probably be trying to get a senior citizen to realize that I couldn't fix their computer.
I would say, "I can't fix it."
Their response was, "Fix it."

Not sure if that counts, so my secondary annoying thing...
probably http://zombo.com/

Because you can't do anything.

This post has been edited by Grr8008: 16 April 2012 - 03:26 PM

[LiveBrianD]

Grr8008, on 16 April 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

Not sure if that counts, so my secondary annoying thing...
probably http://zombo.com/

Because you can't do anything.

How about http://nyan.cat ?

[techie4fun]

LiveBrianD, on 16 April 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

Evildave, on 16 April 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

A clue about how windows works?

. And if you tell windows to kill a program, it DOES close. (though it takes a second or two)

Not always.... Some times a reboot or smash to the computer is required. Often times a reboot just does as well as a smash.

This post has been edited by techie4fun: 16 April 2012 - 08:04 PM

[LiveBrianD]

Sometimes, we all feel like doing this: (Warning: Language)

This post has been edited by LiveBrianD: 17 April 2012 - 04:58 PM

[LiveBrianD]

I have yet another thing to rant about - when I just can't figure out why something won't work, and then I realize it's a very stupid mistake... for instance, I'm making a little program in python for arithmetic sequences, and have a loop so that it prints the current value and then adds the difference, printing (displaying) the value each time, until it hits the final value. Of course, I made it do that until it was equal to the initial value (which will never happen), and thus got an infinite loop... darn it! Once I fixed that tiny little mistake, all worked perfectly. UGHHHH... (I love ranting about these things sometimes... )

[waldojim]

LiveBrianD, on 16 April 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

waldojim, on 16 April 2012 - 12:11 AM, said:

I suggested DOWNLOAD ONLY - meaning that Windows update on restart only.

GRANDMA is the one who shuts her machine off every 5 minutes to save electricity - at least mine sure did. If nothing else, she was the one who had to make sure her machine was off every day so it didn't get struck by lightning.

GUESS WHAT?

The moment GRANDMA shuts her PC off, it will update! LIKE OMG! If you had a CLUE how Windows worked, you would have known this.

Hmm, mine doesn't do that... on the other hand, her PC was on ie7 for quite a while (wasn't Windows Update supposed to take care of that?). She uses Chrome now though, so I guess that part doesn't matter...

Windows update won't force optional updates.

[LiveBrianD]

That makes sense. I don't see why ie8 was optional though - aren't the older versions security problems?

[waldojim]

LiveBrianD, on 18 April 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

That makes sense. I don't see why ie8 was optional though - aren't the older versions security problems?

Because businesses have to test each version for support.

[Evildave]

Frequently, when a business or government office has been abysmally stupid, listened to a Microsoft salesman, and used Microsoft-only plugins and technology (eg ActiveX into Internet Exploder, or BackOffice into Office) for 'tight integration' with their internal information services, then they get stuck with 'unsupported' and unpatched versions of Microsoft software that can't be updated without breaking all of the things the company depends on.

Some run Windoze 2000 still. Even older stuff.

Once the company broke the bank buying massively overpriced software and having the mess implemented, there's no way to afford starting over again from scratch when Microsoft 'reinvents' its self again, and all of the required APIs are no longer supported, the code won't even build in the new compiler, etc.

So though Microsoft is 'still there', the components you relied on and built everything on are not.

[LiveBrianD]

waldojim, on 18 April 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

LiveBrianD, on 18 April 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

That makes sense. I don't see why ie8 was optional though - aren't the older versions security problems?

Because businesses have to test each version for support.

And don't they usually have their own proprietary method of updating anyway?

[waldojim]

LiveBrianD, on 19 April 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

waldojim, on 18 April 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

LiveBrianD, on 18 April 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

That makes sense. I don't see why ie8 was optional though - aren't the older versions security problems?

Because businesses have to test each version for support.

And don't they usually have their own proprietary method of updating anyway?

Not every business has that luxury. Most set the machines to auto-update critical issues, but cannot afford downtime from broken IE variations.

[LiveBrianD]

I have to wonder though - how bad are those proprietary webapps that they use if they have to stick with IE6 for them? And why must IE be designed so that it takes 10 minutes to update on the same system that firefox takes 10-15 seconds to update on? (installing, not downloading) Heck, on Chrome, I hardly notice the automatic updates.

[smax013]

Evildave, on 19 April 2012 - 12:13 AM, said:

Frequently, when a business or government office has been abysmally stupid, listened to a Microsoft salesman, and used Microsoft-only plugins and technology (eg ActiveX into Internet Exploder, or BackOffice into Office) for 'tight integration' with their internal information services, then they get stuck with 'unsupported' and unpatched versions of Microsoft software that can't be updated without breaking all of the things the company depends on.

Some run Windoze 2000 still. Even older stuff.

Once the company broke the bank buying massively overpriced software and having the mess implemented, there's no way to afford starting over again from scratch when Microsoft 'reinvents' its self again, and all of the required APIs are no longer supported, the code won't even build in the new compiler, etc.

So though Microsoft is 'still there', the components you relied on and built everything on are not.

But it is not just Microsoft...there is always the possibility of some thing "breaking" with upgraded software and hardware (after hardware typically requires software to work...aka drivers).

Case in point, Apple mades changes to how Lion (Mac OS X 10.7) implements AFP (Apple File Protocol). As a result, some devices won't work with Lion...like my LaCie NAS 2big Network drive. And since LaCie considered a several year old device "too old" to provide a firmware update to fix the problem, it won't work with Lion (and FWIW, I could not get it to work with SMB on Lion either).

The point is that ALL stuff can break when there are software upgrades. And for a business that requires its computers, etc to function in order to make money and operate the business, that means those companies must first test new versions to make sure if they will work for their use and if not, then they stay with older versions.

[Evildave]

Yes, you can get raped by IBM, Oracle, Apple, anyone else.

This is a crucial reason why you VERY SERIOUSLY consider adopting open source software for major corporate development initiatives.

Even if the project pulls a number like 'GNOME 3' on you, you still have the possibility of forking the original.

You don't get screwed if the closed source company that produced a product decides to cease support and development, and leave you in the rain.

You've got the code base. All of it. Clear down to the OS and drivers, if necessary.

You can rent support, you can hire support. There are a thousand ways to keep the work up-to-date.

It doesn't have to ROT because one middle manager in a multinational corporation loses interest and sacks the group of people who knew how to make the things that YOU rely on work.

[DreamyMaryAlice]

here's my issues, trying to log back into my facebook account from this rockmelt browser, i think rockmelt is working but facebook wont let me log back into my account, i keep report them my problem and they sent a email
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And mean time i cant log into facebook to even write a comment about my issues with this

[coastie65]

DreamyMaryAlice, on 03 October 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

here's my issues, trying to log back into my facebook account from this rockmelt browser, i think rockmelt is working but facebook wont let me log back into my account, i keep report them my problem and they sent a email
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Hi,

Thanks for taking the time to report this to us. We're sorry to hear you're experiencing an issue using Facebook. While we aren't responding to every report, we may reach out to you for more information as we investigate this.

To receive more information about on-going issues and updates when we fix reported problems, check out our Known Issues Page:

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Thanks again for taking the time to help us improve Facebook.

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And mean time i cant log into facebook to even write a comment about my issues with this

Hi and welcopme to the forums. Seems that FB has been havinf it's hare of issues for sure. You may want to use IE in the interim. I have not even heard of that browser.

[juslaxnern]

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