[RobinLim0bf7]

nonseq, on 12 April 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

Ridiculous. Give up a cohesive unified system with powerful and secure applications for the hodgepodge of distros and not quite ready for prime time programs?

Linux is great in the back office and on servers. One the desktop it's fragmented and hobbyist friendly without meeting average users needs.

Let the condescension and flaming begin!

Okay I am not going to flame you. A desktop operating system is pretty much just an app launcher. If you had Linux versions of MS Office, Adobe Photoshop and Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim than more people would be on Linux.

If you want to covert people to Linux you have to convert them first to using Libre Office or GIMP on their Windows PC or Mac. Once people are comfortable with cross platform software Linux use will increase. As more users come in, maybe more developers will follows.

[waldojim]

JimBurnett, on 12 April 2012 - 10:04 PM, said:

nonseq, on 12 April 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

Ridiculous. Give up a cohesive unified system with powerful and secure applications for the hodgepodge of distros and not quite ready for prime time programs?

Linux is great in the back office and on servers. One the desktop it's fragmented and hobbyist friendly without meeting average users needs.

Let the condescension and flaming begin!

Yeah. Like I'm going to use something that can't even play Netflix.

So you refuse to use Linux because it doesn't have a Microsoft (DRMed) plugin that MICROSOFT refuses to allow Linux to have... What am I missing here? Oh yeah, the fact that there are, in fact, ways to make it work. It ain't pretty, but it can work. Ask Roku, or Google all about it.

And for what it is worth, apparently, you can use a PS2 emulator to play back the Netflix CD, and watch that way as well. No idea how well such a thing would work, but it certainly sounds entertaining.

This post has been edited by waldojim: 13 April 2012 - 12:23 AM

[waldojim]

RobinLim0bf7, on 12 April 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

Okay I am not going to flame you. A desktop operating system is pretty much just an app launcher. If you had Linux versions of MS Office, Adobe Photoshop and Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim than more people would be on Linux.

If you want to covert people to Linux you have to convert them first to using Libre Office or GIMP on their Windows PC or Mac. Once people are comfortable with cross platform software Linux use will increase. As more users come in, maybe more developers will follows.

But see, now you are asking people to give up tools they are familar with, or in some cases, use to bring home the BACON! Also, Libre Office/Open Office is NOT 100% compatible with MS Office documents. You could either A. Give up MS Office and spend hours upon hours reformatting the text, just to have it broken again by the next person who opens it with MS Office. B. Use a web only editor that is cut down to near useless levels. Or C. Keep using what works, get the job done quickly, and move on. Which do you see happening?

[JuliusBumaatndw0]

I'm a happy Ubuntu and Debian user since 2008. Never have problems with virus or malwares on all of the computers I've installed with Linux. :-)

[kirovs]

nonseq, on 12 April 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

Ridiculous. Give up a cohesive unified system with powerful and secure applications for the hodgepodge of distros and not quite ready for prime time programs?

Linux is great in the back office and on servers. One the desktop it's fragmented and hobbyist friendly without meeting average users needs.

Let the condescension and flaming begin!

Congratulations, you just started it.

[kirovs]

Kuiske, on 12 April 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

Truth be told no OS is truly "secure" and any hacker can find an exploit for any OS rather quickly. The only reason why we don't see too many viruses on Linux is because of its small market share. If linux and windows were in the exact opposite position, you would be advocating people switch to windows. A windows machine can stay relatively secure as long as it has decent anti virus software (that is also kept up to date) and the user uses security practices such as complicated passwords and not clicking on unknown links than you can stay relatively virus free. The same thing also applies to mac OSX users as well. This whole "linux is superior because it doesn't get viruses" is a bunch of BS.

You don't know much about security models, do you?

[kirovs]

angryshortguy, on 12 April 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:

You have got to be kidding!
Linux had over 800 malware/virus threats back in 2006.
Who knows how many exist today.
I'm responsible for Linux clusters in my work, and I can't stand dealing with the elitist bunch of trolls who think anyone who asks a question is an idiot!
This so-called community of experts is actually a large group of obnoxious jerks waiting to pounce on their next hapless victim stupid enough to ask for help.

I'll stick with Windows and Apple.
At least they're usable...

"obnoxious jerks"> That is you right? Add clueless.

[kirovs]

Dekaw, on 12 April 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

I've met few Mac users who could install a Windows system and get drivers configured properly, and none who can configure a linux system.

I haven't used an apple system since I took an advanced programming class that used them in the mid 1980s...self-explanatory.

Linux really can't meet most desktop users needs, usually because of a variety of issues from licensing and GPU performance to a failure for things to just work. Ubuntu makes it easier for people to get started, but if you want to do anything special, like an 8 monitor setup for example, instead of a few clicks you essentially end up doing a lot of trial/error config file editing as with any other distro.

I use Linux exclusively for databases, web servers, email servers, etc., and you really have to stay on the ball with config settings and updates to avoid viruses (most virus infections are because people don't keep up with updates on windows/mac, imagine if updates required manual editing, as in linux?)...even with a security-first LTS like Red Hat, sometimes you have to get dirty with the config files to prevent a giant opening in the system when you install any software that doesn't happen to be in the main repositories (80% of what a home computer user would install)...can you see a Mac user turned linux user doing that?

They shouldn't have to.

Sorry, but recommending linux to people who don't know or want to have to do something as arduous as configure a windows PC, just a bad idea. A misconfigured linux system is far less secure than a default mac or windows system...just do a search for open proxies and open mail servers if you don't believe it.

I call you a liar:
"if updates required manual editing, as in linux?"
In 5 years of updating Ubuntu I have to come to a single manual edit that I had to do.

[Nuke61]

JohnShepherd, on 12 April 2012 - 06:42 PM, said:

It only comes working out of the box because someone made it work out of the box before you bought the box.

You're right, but until Linux is readily available at big box stores and major department stores, already set to go for the typical end-user, it's not going to gain much traction. Also, didn't netbook makers try the pre-installed Linux route? The way I remember it, there were stories of many people returning their netbooks because they took it home and sure, the browser worked, but when they or their more tech savvy neighbor tried to install Microsoft Office, it wouldn't work.

Since the article is about Mac Malware: One More Reason To Switch To Linux - what happens with the Mac user if they're having a problem with their Mac? They go to the nearest Apple store and get one on one hand holding. If they have Windows they can probably go to a neighbor or friend. So what do these people do, who might have problems adding something as simple as a printer going to do if it doesn't work in Linux?

[nonseq]

kirovs, on 13 April 2012 - 05:13 AM, said:

nonseq, on 12 April 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

Ridiculous. Give up a cohesive unified system with powerful and secure applications for the hodgepodge of distros and not quite ready for prime time programs?

Linux is great in the back office and on servers. One the desktop it's fragmented and hobbyist friendly without meeting average users needs.

Let the condescension and flaming begin!

Congratulations, you just started it.

Nope. I offered an opinion. You and your cohorts started the name calling and childish arrogance. Interactions with folks with your apparent attitude in no small measure contributes to Linux's failure to launch on the desktop. It's peaked as far as I can tell.

[JeffreyCarpenter]

linuxrants7xpg, on 12 April 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

Wow, that really brought the trolls screaming out from under the bridge. Linux is a great solution for a desktop user that just wants to get work done. Those that think that's not the case probably haven't used Linux, and probably wouldn't even if it came with a free wad of $100 bills. Trolls will troll, and life goes on.

I think it brought the windows trolls out who after years of being pelted themselves, now see an opportunity to pour gasoline on OS X.

droopy

[nonseq]

RobinLim0bf7, on 12 April 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

nonseq, on 12 April 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

Ridiculous. Give up a cohesive unified system with powerful and secure applications for the hodgepodge of distros and not quite ready for prime time programs?

Linux is great in the back office and on servers. One the desktop it's fragmented and hobbyist friendly without meeting average users needs.

Let the condescension and flaming begin!

Okay I am not going to flame you. A desktop operating system is pretty much just an app launcher. If you had Linux versions of MS Office, Adobe Photoshop and Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim than more people would be on Linux.

If you want to covert people to Linux you have to convert them first to using Libre Office or GIMP on their Windows PC or Mac. Once people are comfortable with cross platform software Linux use will increase. As more users come in, maybe more developers will follows.

But LibreOffice and OO.org and the GIMP don't do what many need or want- they are imitations and little more. It's not a matter of education it's a matter of getting a product that creates a demand. Thanks for your civil reply.

[ionzubascu]

nonseq, on 12 April 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

Ridiculous. Give up a cohesive unified system with powerful and secure applications for the hodgepodge of distros and not quite ready for prime time programs?

Linux is great in the back office and on servers. One the desktop it's fragmented and hobbyist friendly without meeting average users needs.

Let the condescension and flaming begin!

@nonseq: buddy, from what you write, it is clear you have no clue what you are talking about. I registered an account with PCWorld only to be able to reply to your uninformed and mal-intended post. GNU/Linux is and always has been more secure than your MS Windows and your Mac OS... do some research, use GNU/Linux for a year or so, and only then put up your worthless letters in a post like this.

[ionzubascu]

nonseq, on 13 April 2012 - 05:40 AM, said:

RobinLim0bf7, on 12 April 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

nonseq, on 12 April 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

Ridiculous. Give up a cohesive unified system with powerful and secure applications for the hodgepodge of distros and not quite ready for prime time programs?

Linux is great in the back office and on servers. One the desktop it's fragmented and hobbyist friendly without meeting average users needs.

Let the condescension and flaming begin!

Okay I am not going to flame you. A desktop operating system is pretty much just an app launcher. If you had Linux versions of MS Office, Adobe Photoshop and Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim than more people would be on Linux.

If you want to covert people to Linux you have to convert them first to using Libre Office or GIMP on their Windows PC or Mac. Once people are comfortable with cross platform software Linux use will increase. As more users come in, maybe more developers will follows.

But LibreOffice and OO.org and the GIMP don't do what many need or want- they are imitations and little more. It's not a matter of education it's a matter of getting a product that creates a demand. Thanks for your civil reply.

@nonseq: i see you do respond to every other post -- it is clear you are a TROLL !!!

[ionzubascu]

nonseq, on 13 April 2012 - 05:37 AM, said:

kirovs, on 13 April 2012 - 05:13 AM, said:

nonseq, on 12 April 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

Ridiculous. Give up a cohesive unified system with powerful and secure applications for the hodgepodge of distros and not quite ready for prime time programs?

Linux is great in the back office and on servers. One the desktop it's fragmented and hobbyist friendly without meeting average users needs.

Let the condescension and flaming begin!

Congratulations, you just started it.

Nope. I offered an opinion. You and your cohorts started the name calling and childish arrogance. Interactions with folks with your apparent attitude in no small measure contributes to Linux's failure to launch on the desktop. It's peaked as far as I can tell.

Childish?

Arrogance?

Read your own posts!

[nonseq]

ionzubascu, on 13 April 2012 - 05:52 AM, said:

nonseq, on 12 April 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

Ridiculous. Give up a cohesive unified system with powerful and secure applications for the hodgepodge of distros and not quite ready for prime time programs?

Linux is great in the back office and on servers. One the desktop it's fragmented and hobbyist friendly without meeting average users needs.

Let the condescension and flaming begin!

@nonseq: buddy, from what you write, it is clear you have no clue what you are talking about. I registered an account with PCWorld only to be able to reply to your uninformed and mal-intended post. GNU/Linux is and always has been more secure than your MS Windows and your Mac OS... do some research, use GNU/Linux for a year or so, and only then put up your worthless letters in a post like this.

Well, I've done the research and Linux, like other NIXs certainly have been more secure but having a uber-secure system with half baked programs doesn't get it for me. Thanks for the name calling. It pretty much defines you.

[WallyDuke]

After years of receiving puzzled looks when I try to explain to my Mac toting friends that Macs can indeed get malicious software, it is nice to finally have some of them say "Hey, I guess you knew what you were talking about". I now know a few Mac users who run security software on the computers. Maybe this will help to quiet the Windows vs. Mac war a little.

[jontehenri]

keithcowart69, on 12 April 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

I still haven't heard why Linux is so great.

To quote Braveheart:

FREEEDOOM!

Openspurce means that if you dont like something, learn how it works and then change it to your liking. Luckily someone propably have done the change allready which means you dont have to do the heavy lifting. Besides beeing arguably more secure than win or apple its often more stable, easier to install and has a lot more support for drivers. And most of us just find it fun since the developement goes so rappidly you never get bored with your computer. If you like tinkering and fiddlering liunx is defenetly for you.

[TheOldTopkick]

Katy, you are barking up the werong tree. Any operating system can be penetrated and hacked. They are being done so daily. Not a single operating system is totally safe.

[MICHAEL6gvz]

artzy65, on 12 April 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

Oh, yeah... I did all that myself, just as I have been troubleshooting all my Macs (12 since 1996) myself. I also have a 4-Mac LAN which I set up myself, and just this week figured out why my DSL connection had been dropping often over the last couple of weeks... with no help at all from my ISP, or tech friend.

Peace out.

Ha, sorry about that I read your message too quickly. I didn't realize you said "Any PC".
You are a rare breed. Most Mac users do not want to ever do so much work such as troubleshooting... which is why they say they use Mac. They are just supposed to work.

I wouldn't call myself a Mac user, because I like just about every OS out there for one reason or another. They all have their weaknesses and strengths to appeal to certain users.
In the computer world its never been "one size fits all". Probably my favorite OS of all times is BEOS it is better than OSX, Linux, Windows in many ways.... but hey we can go on forever and maybe talk about Amiga.


On a more serious note, unfortunately it is a violation of the license agreement to run OSX in a Virtual Machine. (private email me, and I'll explain how I know)


later.