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[KLanD]

So..? Apple's "innovative" approach is to disable java?

[xyberviri]

So the fix turns java off if they dont use it, where as those users shouldn't have had java installed if they dont use it in the first place.

So did the users who never use java install java because they never use it?

or was it installed because apple preinstalled it?

[artzy65]

xyberviri, on 13 April 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

So the fix turns java off if they dont use it, where as those users shouldn't have had java installed if they dont use it in the first place.

So did the users who never use java install java because they never use it?

or was it installed because apple preinstalled it?

It's installed automatically, and is enabled by default.

[tonybradley]

xyberviri, on 13 April 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

So the fix turns java off if they dont use it, where as those users shouldn't have had java installed if they dont use it in the first place.

So did the users who never use java install java because they never use it?

or was it installed because apple preinstalled it?

Perhaps. It's also possible, though, that a user might agree to install Java when trying to access/run an applet that calls for it, but never use it again--leaving it idle to be exploited by malware attacks. The approach of proactively and automatically disabling services and apps that sit unused for an extended period of time is a great approach--especially for consumers.

[dfizzo]

Wait Apple's "innovative" approach is to use spyware to monitor your computer usage and then shut down programs IT decides you don't need.

That's not "innovative" that's INVASIVE.

[LordInsidious]

tonybradley, on 13 April 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

xyberviri, on 13 April 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

So the fix turns java off if they dont use it, where as those users shouldn't have had java installed if they dont use it in the first place.

So did the users who never use java install java because they never use it?

or was it installed because apple preinstalled it?

Perhaps. It's also possible, though, that a user might agree to install Java when trying to access/run an applet that calls for it, but never use it again--leaving it idle to be exploited by malware attacks. The approach of proactively and automatically disabling services and apps that sit unused for an extended period of time is a great approach--especially for consumers.

What about people who use a java environment in a browser, you're missing a large portion of the population who go to websites that use the java run time, so are these people not worth protecting?

This post has been edited by LordInsidious: 13 April 2012 - 12:32 PM

[richeemxx]

LordInsidious, on 13 April 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

What about people who use a java environment in a browser, you're missing a large portion of the population who go to websites that use the java run time, so are these people not worth protecting?

Just another instance of Apple telling user what they need and don't need and then burying their heads back into the sand. Wonder what they'll do when the next exploit comes out? Disallow or disable all third party software??

Sad that my fellow bloggers and those in the media buy into Apple's magical PR phrases like "innovation" or "creative" or now its "cleverly". Several browsers have disabled older un-patched add-ons like Flash and Java for years and Mozilla implemented a similar feature before Apple did that now black lists and disallows the unpatched version of Java. While its not OS wide it certainly shows this isn't innovation by Apple, but nothing more than another instance of Apple copying others and claiming it for their own.

[nonseq]

richeemxx, on 14 April 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

LordInsidious, on 13 April 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

What about people who use a java environment in a browser, you're missing a large portion of the population who go to websites that use the java run time, so are these people not worth protecting?

Just another instance of Apple telling user what they need and don't need and then burying their heads back into the sand. Wonder what they'll do when the next exploit comes out? Disallow or disable all third party software??

Sad that my fellow bloggers and those in the media buy into Apple's magical PR phrases like "innovation" or "creative" or now its "cleverly". Several browsers have disabled older un-patched add-ons like Flash and Java for years and Mozilla implemented a similar feature before Apple did that now black lists and disallows the unpatched version of Java. While its not OS wide it certainly shows this isn't innovation by Apple, but nothing more than another instance of Apple copying others and claiming it for their own.

Here's a great solution. Don't buy Apple. Don't complain about Apple. Ignore Apple. Buy Linux and customize as you desire.


Oh..... and one more thing. Enjoy the two of the most notorious malware vectors on the planet.

This post has been edited by nonseq: 14 April 2012 - 02:40 PM

[richeemxx]

nonseq, on 14 April 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

Here's a great solution. Don't buy Apple. Don't complain about Apple. Ignore Apple. Buy Linux and customize as you desire.

Typical, I guess if you don't like Apple you can't have an opinion or post valid points of argument

[nonseq]

richeemxx, on 25 April 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

nonseq, on 14 April 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

Here's a great solution. Don't buy Apple. Don't complain about Apple. Ignore Apple. Buy Linux and customize as you desire.

Typical, I guess if you don't like Apple you can't have an opinion or post valid points of argument

Not at all. Express all of the points and opinions that you want. But I don't understand the need to complain and denegrate Apple when it's obvious that those who do so have no desire to buy Apple anyway. Why the Apple bashing? If you want a dog like Flash get it on a device that offers it. Don't ask Apple to cripple their device with malware

This post has been edited by nonseq: 25 April 2012 - 02:53 PM

[Nuke61]

It seems pretty innovative to me... if you haven't used it in a while, turn it off. Does anyone still use Java anymore? I've had it turned off for many months and haven't needed to turn it on.

[KLanD]

nonseq, on 25 April 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

richeemxx, on 25 April 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

nonseq, on 14 April 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

Here's a great solution. Don't buy Apple. Don't complain about Apple. Ignore Apple. Buy Linux and customize as you desire.

Typical, I guess if you don't like Apple you can't have an opinion or post valid points of argument

Not at all. Express all of the points and opinions that you want. But I don't understand the need to complain and denegrate Apple when it's obvious that those who do so have no desire to buy Apple anyway. Why the Apple bashing? If you want a dog like Flash get it on a device that offers it. Don't ask Apple to cripple their device with malware

So let me get this straight.. it's not OK for a non-Apple product owner to make (albeit negative) comments about Apple, but it's ok for Apple users to bash everything else..?

[richeemxx]

nonseq, on 25 April 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

Why the Apple bashing? If you want a dog like Flash get it on a device that offers it. Don't ask Apple to cripple their device with malware

I'm not bashing simply calling into question the "innovation" here. Obviously a marketing term goes a long way!

Flash?? Who mentioned flash? But since you did since when is Flash Malware?

If Apple isn't prepared or willing to protect their magical systems then they shouldn't tell users they are invulnerable and maybe they won't be so naive to get infected from a simple exploit that should have been patched months ago.

[Nuke61]

richeemxx, on 14 April 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

While its not OS wide it certainly shows this isn't innovation by Apple, but nothing more than another instance of Apple copying others and claiming it for their own.

Where has Apple called this an innovative approach, and where did they claim it as their own? The innovation, IMO, is that they check to see if you've used it in a while, and turn it off if you haven't. As far as I can tell, the previous approaches have taken a turn it all off approach, not a graded approach.