[PCWorld]

Post your comments for Friday the 13th and the Cracked iPad here

[MichaelRousseau]

That'll learn ya!

[Devhuxp19f]

"So, by purchasing it now, I'm actually getting a plan less valuable than if I'd purchased it originally."

Considering not all companies even let you buy the insurance after purchase (or a very limited time), it doesn't seem too far-fetched that there would be a catch to buying Applecare+ after you've already damaged the device.

[turio]

written in avery fanboy -ish tone

[TerrenceNewton2zgr]

accidents happen. applecare+ is great peace of mind.

[Mattvm8v]

turio, on 14 April 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

written in avery fanboy -ish tone

I wanna know in what way the article is "fanboyish". Granted he's from MacWorld but that doesn't make the article itself fanboyish. You can own an iPad and not be fanboy of Apple and this article is not about Apple itself, it's about having an iPad and looking for a way to fix it.

Hell I have an iPod Touch, an Android phone and a Windows computer. So does that make me a fanboy?

[jhenkinson]

Mattvm8v, on 14 April 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

turio, on 14 April 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

written in avery fanboy -ish tone

I wanna know in what way the article is "fanboyish". Granted he's from MacWorld but that doesn't make the article itself fanboyish. You can own an iPad and not be fanboy of Apple and this article is not about Apple itself, it's about having an iPad and looking for a way to fix it.

Hell I have an iPod Touch, an Android phone and a Windows computer. So does that make me a fanboy?

The answer to your "in what way?" question is already right there. He said "tone" didn't he? And I agree, with both him and you: yes, content-wise, an informative article, it let people know what happen and where to get help if they drop their devices, and also yes, quite a "fanboyish" tone. Which part suggested this "tone", you ask? Read the part about the replacement cost. If you read it word for word, yes he said "the replacement cost stung", but overall, after reading the whole article, you would get the silent message that "I know it's expensive, but oh well, guess I can live with it *shrug* ". And that is what I would call a "fanboyish tone" towards Apple's products. Just have to say that I'm a very cost-conscious consumer, most if not all of anything with Apple branding are out of my league

[42n81]

jhenkinson, on 14 April 2012 - 11:20 PM, said:

Mattvm8v, on 14 April 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

turio, on 14 April 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

written in avery fanboy -ish tone

I wanna know in what way the article is "fanboyish". Granted he's from MacWorld but that doesn't make the article itself fanboyish. You can own an iPad and not be fanboy of Apple and this article is not about Apple itself, it's about having an iPad and looking for a way to fix it.

Hell I have an iPod Touch, an Android phone and a Windows computer. So does that make me a fanboy?

The answer to your "in what way?" question is already right there. He said "tone" didn't he? And I agree, with both him and you: yes, content-wise, an informative article, it let people know what happen and where to get help if they drop their devices, and also yes, quite a "fanboyish" tone. Which part suggested this "tone", you ask? Read the part about the replacement cost. If you read it word for word, yes he said "the replacement cost stung", but overall, after reading the whole article, you would get the silent message that "I know it's expensive, but oh well, guess I can live with it *shrug* ". And that is what I would call a "fanboyish tone" towards Apple's products. Just have to say that I'm a very cost-conscious consumer, most if not all of anything with Apple branding are out of my league

Would you prefer Christopher to have thrown a tantrum, cursed the Genius and Steve Jobs, and vow never to buy another Apple product again?

Next time you drop and break your cost consciously purchased new toy, let us know how your repair/replacement experience goes. Maybe you'll have very good reason to not sound very cheerful when all is said an done.

[cyclelogicpress]

When's Apple going to install an antigravity chip in these things?

[SWalford]

This seems like a common affliction: I dropped my Playbook from about 4 feet on Friday the 13th, but it survived without a scratch.

[MichaelPfeiffer]

I thought you meant cracked as in jailbroken. I remember jailbreaking my iPod on Friday the 13 of September, October (about then). It was a jailbreakme.com "Slide to Jailbreak" and after jailbreaking, I immediatley hated it. I tried to take it off by doing restores and in the end had to take it back to the start.

A bad friday 13th.

Since then, I have jailbroken 4.3.3 and then to unjailbrake, I simply updated to iOS 5.0.

[FirstAidCellular]

iPad 3 Glass in bound to our store!

[jhenkinson]

42n81, on 15 April 2012 - 07:51 AM, said:

Would you prefer Christopher to have thrown a tantrum, cursed the Genius and Steve Jobs, and vow never to buy another Apple product again?

Next time you drop and break your cost consciously purchased new toy, let us know how your repair/replacement experience goes. Maybe you'll have very good reason to not sound very cheerful when all is said an done.

I never suggested something to that extreme and it's unnecessary to sound so hostile in your comment. All I did was responding to Mattvm8v's question, also although I don't know what Turio thinks but personally I meant "fanboyish tone" in a neutral way and I certainly didn't mount any challenge about how Christopher should react. Just to set the record straight, I did enjoy reading Christopher's article (like I said in the previous comment, it's an informative article) and it's obvious that he is a good writer with good sense of humor. But still, I stand by my previous comment that the tone sounds "fanboyish".

[42n81]

jhenkinson, on 16 April 2012 - 04:04 AM, said:

42n81, on 15 April 2012 - 07:51 AM, said:

Would you prefer Christopher to have thrown a tantrum, cursed the Genius and Steve Jobs, and vow never to buy another Apple product again?

Next time you drop and break your cost consciously purchased new toy, let us know how your repair/replacement experience goes. Maybe you'll have very good reason to not sound very cheerful when all is said an done.

I never suggested something to that extreme and it's unnecessary to sound so hostile in your comment. All I did was responding to Mattvm8v's question, also although I don't know what Turio thinks but personally I meant "fanboyish tone" in a neutral way and I certainly didn't mount any challenge about how Christopher should react. Just to set the record straight, I did enjoy reading Christopher's article (like I said in the previous comment, it's an informative article) and it's obvious that he is a good writer with good sense of humor. But still, I stand by my previous comment that the tone sounds "fanboyish".

My comment was an invitation to have you show us how you would write a similar article devoid of what you acknowledge to be a fanboyish tone. I am perplexed as to why you should find such an offer to be hostile.

Given that the term "fanboy" is used to describe anyone and everyone who is not openly and consistently critical of everything Apple, I don't understand how you can expect its use be interpreted as being "neutral". Seeing that Christopher's article about his interaction with Apple customer service didn't disparage Apple in any way, it's easy to understand why certain readers might consider the tone "fanboyish".

Should every article or comment about Apple contain a boilerplate criticism clause in order to appease those readers?

This post has been edited by 42n81: 16 April 2012 - 05:11 AM

[jhenkinson]

42n81, on 16 April 2012 - 05:09 AM, said:

My comment was an invitation to have you show us how you would write a similar article devoid of what you acknowledge to be a fanboyish tone. I am perplexed as to why you should find such an offer to be hostile.

Given that the term "fanboy" is used to describe anyone and everyone who is not openly and consistently critical of everything Apple, I don't understand how you can expect its use be interpreted as being "neutral". Seeing that Christopher's article about his interaction with Apple customer service didn't disparage Apple in any way, it's easy to understand why certain readers might consider the tone "fanboyish".

Should every article or comment about Apple contain a boilerplate criticism clause in order to appease those readers?

Hmm, since you said you are perplexed, so I take it that what I "feel" to be hostile isn't intentional.

well, "offer" and "invitation" would have been nice. But the suggestion to the extremes (throw a tantrum, curse ... etc are admittedly powerful language, right?) combines with the fact that there weren't any "expressed" invitation at all, is what made me feel uncomfortable. After the immediate previous comment, I understand that you are saying you expected me to interpret it as a invitation, but I think you would have to agree that something that is not expressly written is open to a wide range of interpretation, right? Unfortunately, I don't take too well with powerful, suggestive language.

As for what I meant by "fanboyish" in a neutral way, first I really wish to remind you that it wasn't me who made that first comment with that word, it was made by somebody else (Turio), I simply responded to other comments. But I can imagine that term is the first thing that jumped in to Turio's mind, so maybe he simply write out the first thing from his head, just as an immediate mental reaction to anything anyone read or watch (much the same way as someone who just watched a video on youtube and put down a one-word (or short) response stating what he feels, e.g "good", "bad", "that's great" ...) . So, my point being, it was not my original term, had it been me writing that first short comment, I would have simply put down something like "Hmm, interesting ..."

And as you probably can tell, in that case "interesting" is in a neutral way too, right? It would be hard to judge if something like that is meant to be positive or negative.

Also, there is a difference between something like "that is FANBOYISH, scrap it, write AGAIN for me" and something like "well, that sounds fanboyish to me ... (stressing the sounds, and to me). That is also what I meant by neutral, I didn't expect anything else, just stating my feelings (and I'm hoping that no one would dispute the rights to express someone's feeling in public, it's free speech). So you don't need to challenge me to write the whole thing again, because I didn't challenge anybody to do it.

This post has been edited by jhenkinson: 16 April 2012 - 06:42 AM

[42n81]

jhenkinson, on 16 April 2012 - 06:24 AM, said:

42n81, on 16 April 2012 - 05:09 AM, said:

My comment was an invitation to have you show us how you would write a similar article devoid of what you acknowledge to be a fanboyish tone. I am perplexed as to why you should find such an offer to be hostile.

Given that the term "fanboy" is used to describe anyone and everyone who is not openly and consistently critical of everything Apple, I don't understand how you can expect its use be interpreted as being "neutral". Seeing that Christopher's article about his interaction with Apple customer service didn't disparage Apple in any way, it's easy to understand why certain readers might consider the tone "fanboyish".

Should every article or comment about Apple contain a boilerplate criticism clause in order to appease those readers?

Hmm, since you said you are perplexed, so I take it that what I "feel" to be hostile isn't intentional.

well, "offer" and "invitation" would have been nice. But the suggestion to the extremes (throw a tantrum, curse ... etc are admittedly powerful language, right?) combines with the fact that there weren't any "expressed" invitation at all, is what made me feel uncomfortable. After the immediate previous comment, I understand that you are saying you expected me to interpret it as a invitation, but I think you would have to agree that something that is not expressly written is open to a wide range of interpretation, right? Unfortunately, I don't take too well with powerful, suggestive language.

As for what I meant by "fanboyish" in a neutral way, first I really wish to remind you that it wasn't me who made that first comment with that word, it was made by somebody else (Turio), I simply responded to other comments. But I can imagine that term is the first thing that jumped in to Turio's mind, so maybe he simply write out the first thing from his head, just as an immediate mental reaction to anything anyone read or watch (much the same way as someone who just watched a video on youtube and put down a one-word (or short) response stating what he feels, e.g "good", "bad", "that's great" ...) . So, my point being, it was not my original term, had it been me writing that first short comment, I would have simply put down something like "Hmm, interesting ..."

And as you probably can tell, in that case "interesting" is in a neutral way too, right? It would be hard to judge if something like that is meant to be positive or negative.

Also, there is a difference between something like "that is FANBOYISH, scrap it, write AGAIN for me" and something like "well, that sounds fanboyish to me ... (stressing the sounds, and to me). That is also what I meant by neutral, I didn't expect anything else, just stating my feelings (and I'm hoping that no one would dispute the rights to express someone's feeling in public, it's free speech). So you don't need to challenge me to write the whole thing again, because I didn't challenge anybody to do it.

OK. Let's keep it simple. I'm just curious to know what in particular is fanboyish about the article.

Is it that the article lacks criticism of Apple, or is there something I don't understand?

This post has been edited by 42n81: 16 April 2012 - 10:33 AM

[jhenkinson]

42n81, on 16 April 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:

OK. Let's keep it simple. I'm just curious to know what in particular is fanboyish about the article.

Is it that the article lacks criticism of Apple, or is there something I don't understand?

oh, it is simple enough, to be sure. But first I need to correct one small misunderstanding (but somehow it just kept reappearing from time to time) on your part, I want to settle once and for all this one point: I am NOT trying to induce (stressing induce) criticisms against Apple in any way, I want to make that unquestionably clear.

Now we got that cleared up, think about this. I am both these 2 things at the same time: a technology enthusiast and a cost-conscious consumer. With that in mind, I admire Apple (and many other tech companies) for their innovations, but what I don't like about Apple comes from my second attribute, the one word that I don't like : pricey!

So, whenever I hear someone (anyone, so you don't need to take it personally) buy a product at a price that I think is unreasonable it's natural for me to say "that's expensive!", but the other person insist "it's alright", isn't it also natural for me to feel that is "fanboyish" (again, simply a statement of feelings, not meant to induce the other person to stop supporting that product)?

What I will never say is "that's expensive, you idiot! return that, I'll show you a cheaper one!". I perfectly understand that you and I belong to totally different classes of consumers, what I consider as expensive may not be that much expensive from your point of view.

Equally, if someone, anyone tell me this about my new toy: "that's too cheap, man" (obviously with the contention that my purchase is of inferior quality), for me, I don't take offense with that statement as long as he doesn't say something like this "That's RUBBISH! You'll never get anything out of that piece crap! Buy something worthwhile!". I believe that should sounds offensive to any person with the smallest fleck of self esteem.

So, did you get my point or should I elaborate more?

If you want it simple, one word: pricey, that's it. For a clearer answer, read my reasoning above.

This post has been edited by jhenkinson: 17 April 2012 - 01:32 AM