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Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:26 AM
I think not at all would be the correct answer, but that probably won't happen. Though maybe if comcast had to treat it's own services the same the cap wouldn't make as much sense for them, since it could limit the consumption of their own content.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:37 AM
How is this argument any different than a cell phone service provider allowing you to make unlimited calls to other mobile phones - as long as both phones are on the carriers network?
Net neutrality is exactly that -- neutral in the sense that I should not be blocked by my ISP, or bandwidth throttled, in any way regardless of my destination. It does not mean that I should not have to pay for bandwidth or internet service to get to that resource, when the destination is outside of my ISP’s network â€Â" they have to pay for bandwidth too!
I’m sorry Reid, but your argument falls flat.
If Comcast limits bandwidth to Netflix, to the point that it affects video quality, then, and only then do we have a problem.
Net neutrality is exactly that -- neutral in the sense that I should not be blocked by my ISP, or bandwidth throttled, in any way regardless of my destination. It does not mean that I should not have to pay for bandwidth or internet service to get to that resource, when the destination is outside of my ISP’s network â€Â" they have to pay for bandwidth too!
I’m sorry Reid, but your argument falls flat.
If Comcast limits bandwidth to Netflix, to the point that it affects video quality, then, and only then do we have a problem.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:56 AM
On the surface, this does seem unfair, but if you look at it objectively, you wouldn't expect your other channels, including their on demand video to be included. In effect, you aren't using internet bandwidth, just network bandwidth
So, even though I don't love the cable companies, and think they are inherently unfair, they seem to have a good point this time.
So, even though I don't love the cable companies, and think they are inherently unfair, they seem to have a good point this time.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:19 AM
Hmm, how much Comcast bandwidth would an all-streaming-high-def household consume, statistically speaking?
Let's take the case of a household with one adult male, one adult female and one child aged eleven. On average such a child watches 28 hours of video each week, the woman 29 and the male 34. If each watches a separate screen that's 91 hours of streaming content each week. If we assume 1.4 gigabytes per programming hour for those streams (4.7 million bit/sec for 42 minutes) then our hypothetical household consumes 127 Gbytes of Comcast bandwidth each week, or 562 Gbytes in a 31-day month -- 225% of Comcast's cap for that month.
If we cut them a break and assume our family shares 2 hours of single-screen viewing time each day the numbers fall to 63 hours a week, 88 Gbytes per week and 391 Gbytes per 31-day month, but that's still 156% the Comcast cap.
What happens if we blow the cap? Per the original announcement by Comcast, Comcast contacts us, informs us we are on a six-month monitored account probation with no further cap infractions tolerated. Yike!
But expect to then be contacted by Comcast Sales and informed there is a worry-free solution: just upgrade. Upgrade your Comcast Residential account to Xfinity Business Class, Small Business Rate.
This of course is a strategem they learned from the telco's, which used to have separate tariffs (regulated rates) for residential and business lines supposedly based on how much it was costing them to support quality of service for that line. Comcast implicitly argues the QoS costs of a 250+ Gbyte/mo household put them on par with a small business, even if said household neglects to make a profit whilst slurping American Idol through a tube....
Yes, Comcast's Xfinity Business Class is unmetered and in some markets offers connection rates of 100 Mbit/sec. Okay, if pressed they'll admit that in most markets the "Small Business" connection speed is much lower, basically the same as whatever you're enjoying as a Residential customer, but for sure there is no monitored usage cap. Just double the base fee plus higher taxes, is all.
If anything about this stratgem seems off-base to you, it's probably because you're expecting a completely unregulated industry to play fair with John Q Public just because that would be nice....
Pfahh! John Q Public is a consumption unit third class, a drone fit only to polish the hobnails of the mighty boot clamped on his supine throat! Bwahahahhaa!
...Plus Comcast is desperate to increase aggregate revenues from their subscriber base, owing to the crippling debt load the company carries after five rounds of leveraged mergers and acquisitions in less than twenty years. Yes, if you buy yourself from yourself you end up paying twenty percent of your monthly receipts to a bank, and that's the money you as a good corporate citizen were going to spend on capital improvements and stock dividends isn't it? So remember kids, if you get bit by a banker you turn into a zombie and hurt people.
Let's take the case of a household with one adult male, one adult female and one child aged eleven. On average such a child watches 28 hours of video each week, the woman 29 and the male 34. If each watches a separate screen that's 91 hours of streaming content each week. If we assume 1.4 gigabytes per programming hour for those streams (4.7 million bit/sec for 42 minutes) then our hypothetical household consumes 127 Gbytes of Comcast bandwidth each week, or 562 Gbytes in a 31-day month -- 225% of Comcast's cap for that month.
If we cut them a break and assume our family shares 2 hours of single-screen viewing time each day the numbers fall to 63 hours a week, 88 Gbytes per week and 391 Gbytes per 31-day month, but that's still 156% the Comcast cap.
What happens if we blow the cap? Per the original announcement by Comcast, Comcast contacts us, informs us we are on a six-month monitored account probation with no further cap infractions tolerated. Yike!
But expect to then be contacted by Comcast Sales and informed there is a worry-free solution: just upgrade. Upgrade your Comcast Residential account to Xfinity Business Class, Small Business Rate.
This of course is a strategem they learned from the telco's, which used to have separate tariffs (regulated rates) for residential and business lines supposedly based on how much it was costing them to support quality of service for that line. Comcast implicitly argues the QoS costs of a 250+ Gbyte/mo household put them on par with a small business, even if said household neglects to make a profit whilst slurping American Idol through a tube....
Yes, Comcast's Xfinity Business Class is unmetered and in some markets offers connection rates of 100 Mbit/sec. Okay, if pressed they'll admit that in most markets the "Small Business" connection speed is much lower, basically the same as whatever you're enjoying as a Residential customer, but for sure there is no monitored usage cap. Just double the base fee plus higher taxes, is all.
If anything about this stratgem seems off-base to you, it's probably because you're expecting a completely unregulated industry to play fair with John Q Public just because that would be nice....
Pfahh! John Q Public is a consumption unit third class, a drone fit only to polish the hobnails of the mighty boot clamped on his supine throat! Bwahahahhaa!
...Plus Comcast is desperate to increase aggregate revenues from their subscriber base, owing to the crippling debt load the company carries after five rounds of leveraged mergers and acquisitions in less than twenty years. Yes, if you buy yourself from yourself you end up paying twenty percent of your monthly receipts to a bank, and that's the money you as a good corporate citizen were going to spend on capital improvements and stock dividends isn't it? So remember kids, if you get bit by a banker you turn into a zombie and hurt people.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:46 AM
Comcast just sucks and needs regulated. They are all just asking for the government to take over the networks. Wouldn't that be dandy? Keep it up, boys, and that's what you will get--- the uneducated public movie geeks and fan boys will acutally demand it.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:49 AM
If the content is in competition with the same content Comcast also provides, it definitely falls under anti competitive practice laws.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:53 AM
I think there should be no caps on any of the apps. Additional bandwidth load is simply a cost of doing business.
If the big companies didn't try to extract every single penny of profit from the customers, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
When will we all learn that big business controls this country? What are we going to do about it?
If the big companies didn't try to extract every single penny of profit from the customers, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
When will we all learn that big business controls this country? What are we going to do about it?
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:59 AM
AJohnTurner, on 16 April 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:
Hmm, how much Comcast bandwidth would an all-streaming-high-def household consume, statistically speaking?
Let's take the case of a household with one adult male, one adult female and one child aged eleven. On average such a child watches 28 hours of video each week, the woman 29 and the male 34. If each watches a separate screen that's 91 hours of streaming content each week. If we assume 1.4 gigabytes per programming hour for those streams (4.7 million bit/sec for 42 minutes) then our hypothetical household consumes 127 Gbytes of Comcast bandwidth each week, or 562 Gbytes in a 31-day month -- 225% of Comcast's cap for that month.
If we cut them a break and assume our family shares 2 hours of single-screen viewing time each day the numbers fall to 63 hours a week, 88 Gbytes per week and 391 Gbytes per 31-day month, but that's still 156% the Comcast cap.
What happens if we blow the cap? Per the original announcement by Comcast, Comcast contacts us, informs us we are on a six-month monitored account probation with no further cap infractions tolerated. Yike!
But expect to then be contacted by Comcast Sales and informed there is a worry-free solution: just upgrade. Upgrade your Comcast Residential account to Xfinity Business Class, Small Business Rate.
This of course is a strategem they learned from the telco's, which used to have separate tariffs (regulated rates) for residential and business lines supposedly based on how much it was costing them to support quality of service for that line. Comcast implicitly argues the QoS costs of a 250+ Gbyte/mo household put them on par with a small business, even if said household neglects to make a profit whilst slurping American Idol through a tube....
Yes, Comcast's Xfinity Business Class is unmetered and in some markets offers connection rates of 100 Mbit/sec. Okay, if pressed they'll admit that in most markets the "Small Business" connection speed is much lower, basically the same as whatever you're enjoying as a Residential customer, but for sure there is no monitored usage cap. Just double the base fee plus higher taxes, is all.
If anything about this stratgem seems off-base to you, it's probably because you're expecting a completely unregulated industry to play fair with John Q Public just because that would be nice....
Pfahh! John Q Public is a consumption unit third class, a drone fit only to polish the hobnails of the mighty boot clamped on his supine throat! Bwahahahhaa!
...Plus Comcast is desperate to increase aggregate revenues from their subscriber base, owing to the crippling debt load the company carries after five rounds of leveraged mergers and acquisitions in less than twenty years. Yes, if you buy yourself from yourself you end up paying twenty percent of your monthly receipts to a bank, and that's the money you as a good corporate citizen were going to spend on capital improvements and stock dividends isn't it? So remember kids, if you get bit by a banker you turn into a zombie and hurt people.
Let's take the case of a household with one adult male, one adult female and one child aged eleven. On average such a child watches 28 hours of video each week, the woman 29 and the male 34. If each watches a separate screen that's 91 hours of streaming content each week. If we assume 1.4 gigabytes per programming hour for those streams (4.7 million bit/sec for 42 minutes) then our hypothetical household consumes 127 Gbytes of Comcast bandwidth each week, or 562 Gbytes in a 31-day month -- 225% of Comcast's cap for that month.
If we cut them a break and assume our family shares 2 hours of single-screen viewing time each day the numbers fall to 63 hours a week, 88 Gbytes per week and 391 Gbytes per 31-day month, but that's still 156% the Comcast cap.
What happens if we blow the cap? Per the original announcement by Comcast, Comcast contacts us, informs us we are on a six-month monitored account probation with no further cap infractions tolerated. Yike!
But expect to then be contacted by Comcast Sales and informed there is a worry-free solution: just upgrade. Upgrade your Comcast Residential account to Xfinity Business Class, Small Business Rate.
This of course is a strategem they learned from the telco's, which used to have separate tariffs (regulated rates) for residential and business lines supposedly based on how much it was costing them to support quality of service for that line. Comcast implicitly argues the QoS costs of a 250+ Gbyte/mo household put them on par with a small business, even if said household neglects to make a profit whilst slurping American Idol through a tube....
Yes, Comcast's Xfinity Business Class is unmetered and in some markets offers connection rates of 100 Mbit/sec. Okay, if pressed they'll admit that in most markets the "Small Business" connection speed is much lower, basically the same as whatever you're enjoying as a Residential customer, but for sure there is no monitored usage cap. Just double the base fee plus higher taxes, is all.
If anything about this stratgem seems off-base to you, it's probably because you're expecting a completely unregulated industry to play fair with John Q Public just because that would be nice....
Pfahh! John Q Public is a consumption unit third class, a drone fit only to polish the hobnails of the mighty boot clamped on his supine throat! Bwahahahhaa!
...Plus Comcast is desperate to increase aggregate revenues from their subscriber base, owing to the crippling debt load the company carries after five rounds of leveraged mergers and acquisitions in less than twenty years. Yes, if you buy yourself from yourself you end up paying twenty percent of your monthly receipts to a bank, and that's the money you as a good corporate citizen were going to spend on capital improvements and stock dividends isn't it? So remember kids, if you get bit by a banker you turn into a zombie and hurt people.
I agree. This also applies to all big businesses.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 05:33 PM
It is a sad "Fact of Life" in this day and age - NO business treats its customers fairly.
Get used to it.
Unless you are able to convince your overpaid, over-lobbied legislators to get off their lazy backsides and do their jobs. But I don't see that happening.
Get used to it.
Unless you are able to convince your overpaid, over-lobbied legislators to get off their lazy backsides and do their jobs. But I don't see that happening.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 07:22 AM
What we need is an FCC ruling on the Los Angeles small claims court decision against AT&T striking down data caps once and for all. This bulls**t has got to end. Unlimited should mean unlimited. ISP's have agreed to provide a public service and advertising "unlimited" service while imposing a cap in a era of ubiquitous internet devices is exploitive and disingenuous and ought to be illegal.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:35 AM
AJohnTurner, on 16 April 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:
Hmm, how much Comcast bandwidth would an all-streaming-high-def household consume, statistically speaking?
Let's take the case of a household with one adult male, one adult female and one child aged eleven. On average such a child watches 28 hours of video each week, the woman 29 and the male 34. If each watches a separate screen that's 91 hours of streaming content each week. If we assume 1.4 gigabytes per programming hour for those streams (4.7 million bit/sec for 42 minutes) then our hypothetical household consumes 127 Gbytes of Comcast bandwidth each week, or 562 Gbytes in a 31-day month -- 225% of Comcast's cap for that month.
If we cut them a break and assume our family shares 2 hours of single-screen viewing time each day the numbers fall to 63 hours a week, 88 Gbytes per week and 391 Gbytes per 31-day month, but that's still 156% the Comcast cap.
What happens if we blow the cap? Per the original announcement by Comcast, Comcast contacts us, informs us we are on a six-month monitored account probation with no further cap infractions tolerated. Yike!
But expect to then be contacted by Comcast Sales and informed there is a worry-free solution: just upgrade. Upgrade your Comcast Residential account to Xfinity Business Class, Small Business Rate.
This of course is a strategem they learned from the telco's, which used to have separate tariffs (regulated rates) for residential and business lines supposedly based on how much it was costing them to support quality of service for that line. Comcast implicitly argues the QoS costs of a 250+ Gbyte/mo household put them on par with a small business, even if said household neglects to make a profit whilst slurping American Idol through a tube....
Yes, Comcast's Xfinity Business Class is unmetered and in some markets offers connection rates of 100 Mbit/sec. Okay, if pressed they'll admit that in most markets the "Small Business" connection speed is much lower, basically the same as whatever you're enjoying as a Residential customer, but for sure there is no monitored usage cap. Just double the base fee plus higher taxes, is all.
If anything about this stratgem seems off-base to you, it's probably because you're expecting a completely unregulated industry to play fair with John Q Public just because that would be nice....
Pfahh! John Q Public is a consumption unit third class, a drone fit only to polish the hobnails of the mighty boot clamped on his supine throat! Bwahahahhaa!
...Plus Comcast is desperate to increase aggregate revenues from their subscriber base, owing to the crippling debt load the company carries after five rounds of leveraged mergers and acquisitions in less than twenty years. Yes, if you buy yourself from yourself you end up paying twenty percent of your monthly receipts to a bank, and that's the money you as a good corporate citizen were going to spend on capital improvements and stock dividends isn't it? So remember kids, if you get bit by a banker you turn into a zombie and hurt people.
Let's take the case of a household with one adult male, one adult female and one child aged eleven. On average such a child watches 28 hours of video each week, the woman 29 and the male 34. If each watches a separate screen that's 91 hours of streaming content each week. If we assume 1.4 gigabytes per programming hour for those streams (4.7 million bit/sec for 42 minutes) then our hypothetical household consumes 127 Gbytes of Comcast bandwidth each week, or 562 Gbytes in a 31-day month -- 225% of Comcast's cap for that month.
If we cut them a break and assume our family shares 2 hours of single-screen viewing time each day the numbers fall to 63 hours a week, 88 Gbytes per week and 391 Gbytes per 31-day month, but that's still 156% the Comcast cap.
What happens if we blow the cap? Per the original announcement by Comcast, Comcast contacts us, informs us we are on a six-month monitored account probation with no further cap infractions tolerated. Yike!
But expect to then be contacted by Comcast Sales and informed there is a worry-free solution: just upgrade. Upgrade your Comcast Residential account to Xfinity Business Class, Small Business Rate.
This of course is a strategem they learned from the telco's, which used to have separate tariffs (regulated rates) for residential and business lines supposedly based on how much it was costing them to support quality of service for that line. Comcast implicitly argues the QoS costs of a 250+ Gbyte/mo household put them on par with a small business, even if said household neglects to make a profit whilst slurping American Idol through a tube....
Yes, Comcast's Xfinity Business Class is unmetered and in some markets offers connection rates of 100 Mbit/sec. Okay, if pressed they'll admit that in most markets the "Small Business" connection speed is much lower, basically the same as whatever you're enjoying as a Residential customer, but for sure there is no monitored usage cap. Just double the base fee plus higher taxes, is all.
If anything about this stratgem seems off-base to you, it's probably because you're expecting a completely unregulated industry to play fair with John Q Public just because that would be nice....
Pfahh! John Q Public is a consumption unit third class, a drone fit only to polish the hobnails of the mighty boot clamped on his supine throat! Bwahahahhaa!
...Plus Comcast is desperate to increase aggregate revenues from their subscriber base, owing to the crippling debt load the company carries after five rounds of leveraged mergers and acquisitions in less than twenty years. Yes, if you buy yourself from yourself you end up paying twenty percent of your monthly receipts to a bank, and that's the money you as a good corporate citizen were going to spend on capital improvements and stock dividends isn't it? So remember kids, if you get bit by a banker you turn into a zombie and hurt people.
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Wow I just like to say .... Unreal numbers ?!,,,!
250 gig data cap ?
Wow. I can only dream of the day where I can download that much data
In one month .
My isp gives me 60 gig a month and I pay 50 bucks a month in canada for that.
I hear your complaint but compared to most country's you are living in the land of milk and honey .
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:46 AM
kinda reminds me of Microsoft and the internet explorer Vs netscape. Explorer was bundled into their package, giving then an unfair advantage over Netscape. We all know how that ended.I see the same for Comcast. In the end, they will loose.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:46 AM
kinda reminds me of Microsoft and the internet explorer Vs netscape. Explorer was bundled into their package, giving then an unfair advantage over Netscape. We all know how that ended.I see the same for Comcast. In the end, they will loose.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:30 AM
Comcast was dumped by me 2 years ago for not only band capping but after they put packet sniffers in the streaming system on their servers they KILLED VOIP TELEPHONE that I was paying for by killing the calls and the streams. I made a complaint with the FCC but nothing ever came of it nor a investigation MARK
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:33 AM
AJohnTurner, on 16 April 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:
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Wow I just like to say .... Unreal numbers ?!,,,!
250 gig data cap ?
Wow. I can only dream of the day where I can download that much data
In one month .
My isp gives me 60 gig a month and I pay 50 bucks a month in canada for that.
I hear your complaint but compared to most country's you are living in the land of milk and honey .
well, a log of our milk is going sour down here lately. A lot of people want to blame Obama, but it looks more like some kind of natural progression.
Joey
