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#41 User is offline   ivorycruncher 

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 01:44 PM

View PostGeoffnich, on 16 April 2012 - 06:38 PM, said:

Not impressed. That's three too many versions. Microsoft continues to subordinate the customer to its profits. This is a recipe for failure. Microsoft should be thrilling its customers and not irritating them.


Wow, what an in-depth analysis of the situation. I'm sorry, but I fail to understand how I am being subordinated to their profits, as you put it. Features = cost to develop, and cost to develop = compensation from those who use said features. This is a logical model for pretty much any business and product line. I also like how you claim this is a recipe for failure, despite the fact that this has been Microsoft's model for many, many years, and they still have a significant majority of the market share for desktop operating systems. I would love to hear your insights on how a simple choice of features and price will ultimately cause Microsoft's downfall.

As a home user who has no need for advanced networking capabilities, I would be offended if Microsoft made me pay for those features. And as a business user, I would fully expect to pay more for the additional features. How is this not fair? I for one would certainly not be "thrilled" to pay more for something I don't need. From that perspective, you could argue that Microsoft should actually have several more editions, or maybe even a core OS with numerous modular add-ons that you can purchase and install at a later date, so that I only pay for what I want. Of course, with more choice comes more complexity, and complexity can lead to a lot of consumer confusion, and a lot of additional cost on Microsoft's part to market and support all those options and educate consumers on them. That additional cost will then, of course, be passed on to consumers, who will be more confused than ever.

No, the idea is to have a select few editions geared towards specific market segments, namely home PCs, business PCs, and mobile devices. This allows consumers to make a clear and easy choice on what edition is right for them, without feeling like they have to pay for a ton of features they don't want or need, and helps Microsoft to minimize their costs for additional packaging, marketing, and support. To look at this from another angle, would you expect to go to a dealership to look at a new car, and only have one feature level available? Everybody who buys that model of car would have the same engine, same stereo system, same seat covers, and so on. Would everybody be satisfied with that feature set? No, of course not. If it's more basic, those who want a richer experience would be disappointed, and if it's more feature-rich, and therefore costs more, many would not (or perhaps could not) spend that much money. But would the choice be simpler? Of course, because there's really only one choice, take or leave it. But then again, that really ends up being no choice at all, or rather, somebody has already chosen for you. I don't know about you, but while I don't mind suggestions, I don't like the idea of somebody actually making my choices for me at that level.

By comparison, Mac users don't even get a choice in OS features (note the argument I just made about feature packages in vehicles), and Linux users have dozens of widely varying choices. I fail to see how Microsoft's SKU model is inferior to either of these options. It's not inferior, or even superior, just different. I'm of the belief that consumers should make informed buying decisions, especially for large purchases. I for one hate hearing about people that buy Macs because some slick salesman convinced them that they are so much better and easier to use (a claim I very much dispute, having used and supported both platforms), without having determined that for themselves based on any real information or experience. Or for that matter, those that download and install some random flavor of Linux because it's "free", without having any idea what they're getting themselves into in terms of hardware/software compatibility, available support, and so on. And then of course there are people that assume that Windows always has been and always will be the best choice for any computing situation, when that simply isn't true. All of these platforms have pros and cons, and the same solution will not fit everybody. This is why choice is a good thing. The key is simply to do the research necessary to make the choice that's best for you.
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#42 User is offline   AlexanderRogge 

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  Posted 17 April 2012 - 02:00 PM

Which one is the version that doesn't have any consumerish frills, doesn't include any Digital Rights Management, and doesn't include any Product Activation or other copy-protection schemes? I just want a very basic OS that does work while running the applications that I need, and only those applications, and I need it to be stable enough to qualify for a fail-safe rating.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 07:30 PM

View Postdragon69, on 17 April 2012 - 11:07 AM, said:

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View PostThomasM, on 16 April 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

all you have to do is click on the desktop icon and the metro UI goes away and it looks almost like windows 7


So what would be the point of windows 8 in that case?

but what most are complaining about is that every time you boot you have to do that and that microsoft should let you chose it as the default and then it will always boot to the desktop with out having to chose it every time!



if this is a problem for you then try StarDock !


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  Posted 17 April 2012 - 07:56 PM

What I think they need:
Windows 8 Home 64-bit (with start menu)
Windows 8 Pro 64-bit (with enterprise features that can be enabled, and with start menu)
Windows 8 ARM (without start menu)

Yes, I didn't mention any 32-bit versions (honestly, who needs those anyway?). Also, for desktops and laptops, metro is very unintuitive and stupid. On tablets, it looks like it'll work fairly well - I tried a wp7 device and found that was fairly good, and it has the same UI, for the most part.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 07:57 PM

View PostForenSicpicsm3v8, on 16 April 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

WHERE'S THE FOURTH VERSION IN THE CHART?


I think it's Enterprise (you can't purchase this at retail, so it doesn't matter to most of us anyway).
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:22 PM

View PostThomasM, on 16 April 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

all you have to do is click on the desktop icon and the metro UI goes away and it looks almost like windows 7


Looks almost like Windows 7 but without Start Menu, without windows Explorer icon on the taskbar, etc. etc.
One needs to either open the Metro UI again and Click the Windows Explorer icon or if on Desktop then has to open Recycle bin and then use the explorer...
Although their may be many other methods... I started using it yesterday itself and still working on it... :rolleyes:
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 04:16 AM

View PostChandanJha, on 17 April 2012 - 08:22 PM, said:

View PostThomasM, on 16 April 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

all you have to do is click on the desktop icon and the metro UI goes away and it looks almost like windows 7


Looks almost like Windows 7 but without Start Menu, without windows Explorer icon on the taskbar, etc. etc.
One needs to either open the Metro UI again and Click the Windows Explorer icon or if on Desktop then has to open Recycle bin and then use the explorer...
Although their may be many other methods... I started using it yesterday itself and still working on it... :rolleyes:


rotflmmfao are you serious? there is a win explorer icon on the taskbar as in the metro start screen, and you can even drag your mouse to the corner of the screen and you can select search their and type win explorer. win is the future either hop on or stay stuck in history.

from a developer.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 08:08 AM

View PostForenSicpicsm3v8, on 16 April 2012 - 06:42 PM, said:

View PostHR, on 16 April 2012 - 06:22 PM, said:

Wow! *Only* four versions! And we're supposed to be happy about this? Give me a break. What about one or two versions? Why do they feel the need to strip out features for lesser versions - and the software is still expensive!


And to top it off, this chart only lists three? What's the mystery version?

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 08:17 AM

View PostLiveBrianD, on 17 April 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

What I think they need:
Windows 8 Home 64-bit (with start menu)
Windows 8 Pro 64-bit (with enterprise features that can be enabled, and with start menu)
Windows 8 ARM (without start menu)

Yes, I didn't mention any 32-bit versions (honestly, who needs those anyway?). Also, for desktops and laptops, metro is very unintuitive and stupid. On tablets, it looks like it'll work fairly well - I tried a wp7 device and found that was fairly good, and it has the same UI, for the most part.

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  Posted 18 April 2012 - 09:57 AM

I'm skipping 8 and waiting for Windows 9. I don't like the Metro UI implementation. Bad idea.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 09:58 AM

View PostJohnWeston, on 16 April 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

is there a version with out that stupid metro UI? I HATE THAT THING ALREADY!



Yes. It's called Windows 7.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 10:44 AM

View PostZacharyFerreira, on 18 April 2012 - 04:16 AM, said:

View PostChandanJha, on 17 April 2012 - 08:22 PM, said:

View PostThomasM, on 16 April 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

all you have to do is click on the desktop icon and the metro UI goes away and it looks almost like windows 7


Looks almost like Windows 7 but without Start Menu, without windows Explorer icon on the taskbar, etc. etc.
One needs to either open the Metro UI again and Click the Windows Explorer icon or if on Desktop then has to open Recycle bin and then use the explorer...
Although their may be many other methods... I started using it yesterday itself and still working on it... :rolleyes:


rotflmmfao are you serious? there is a win explorer icon on the taskbar as in the metro start screen, and you can even drag your mouse to the corner of the screen and you can select search their and type win explorer. win is the future either hop on or stay stuck in history.

from a developer.


hi i think rather stay in history then be in hype. i don't follow hype news or version. i only buy something if i like it not because its new. you gotta be dumb to buy something because its just fashion.

by the way i am a developer too but i am not dumb

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  Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:52 AM

I'm good with it, sign me up for Windows 8. Leave the start button back by the dinosaur. the start button is one of those little anchors that always kept Windows behind the Mac for interface design,

Windows 8 may even be able to work with my Apple "magic Mouse" and touch pad. Very cool. W8 has so far worked worked with some of the tools I use that were designed back in the bad old XP days.

For those soiling their diapers over the lack of a start button, I can only say, ask the counter lady where the depends are or get off your ass and start doing something innovative instead of complaining.
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  Posted 20 April 2012 - 01:39 AM

Metro UI will be very interesting for users who have PC with touchscreen laptops or PCs (like a Sony monolith PC). For other users palm oriented UI can't be useful.
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 05:53 AM

View PostAlexKorshunov, on 20 April 2012 - 01:39 AM, said:

Metro UI will be very interesting for users who have PC with touchscreen laptops or PCs (like a Sony monolith PC). For other users palm oriented UI can't be useful.


How do you figure this? Have you used it at all?

I can't see how this 8 is considered a touch screen thing...and who would want to lift their hands off their tools and start tapping on their monitor anyway?

I have absolutely no troubles using a mouse with this interface. And as I've said before...it's actually easier to get where I need to go compared to 7.

Pull your mouse into the corner and left click....or right click and get a cool list of common places that are usually deeper in the previous versions.

so...how much time have you used win 8? So I can measure your words....please..I'd like to know.

I got several weeks with it, I'm doing fine. Only took me a little while to get the hang of it too.
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  Posted 23 April 2012 - 06:35 AM

My opinion is that RT and the other three "flavors" of W8 should all be called "Windows on arm" - my arm! When I find myself reaching continually forward over the keyboard toward the fingerprint smudged touchscreen for hours on end to make selections, it'll be my arm and shoulder getting first fatigued and then finally sore. Will W8 come with an arm rest and does M$ recommend that I should start training myself to bring loaded fork and spoon to mouth using my left hand between now and next October? Oh joy!
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 01:19 PM

View PostAlvininMadison, on 23 April 2012 - 06:35 AM, said:

My opinion is that RT and the other three "flavors" of W8 should all be called "Windows on arm" - my arm! When I find myself reaching continually forward over the keyboard toward the fingerprint smudged touchscreen for hours on end to make selections, it'll be my arm and shoulder getting first fatigued and then finally sore. Will W8 come with an arm rest and does M$ recommend that I should start training myself to bring loaded fork and spoon to mouth using my left hand between now and next October? Oh joy!













windows 8 will not include the " arm rest" and microsoft does not care how tired your arms get while using there new operaiting system .... only that they got your 300 bucks for the purchase of it !
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  Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:35 PM

you only listed THREE versions.
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  Posted 24 April 2012 - 07:29 PM

Dude, going to be awesome when Apollo comes out, cause hopefully it will hopefully have almost the same feature set as RT
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  Posted 24 April 2012 - 07:30 PM

Dude, going to be awesome when Apollo comes out, cause hopefully it will hopefully have almost the same feature set as RT
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