Senate Passes Bill Requiring Black Boxes In All New Cars
Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:52 AM
Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:55 AM
But the best thing to do is put them in every vehicle, including government vehicles. There should be no exceptions.
Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:58 AM
Black boxes in vehicles would be used just like the black boxes in aircraft - when there is a crash. You are confusing black boxes with a GPS that would broadcast your position. Something law enforcement would like but no one else. Stop jumping to conclusions.
Posted 20 April 2012 - 11:59 AM
Inspection - for what? Poor emissions? Speeding?? License plate light out???
I could see this being a real money-maker for those behind it.
If government mandates anything, they're always the ones to benefit.
Abort, Retry, Epic Fail? _
Posted 20 April 2012 - 12:11 PM
Posted 20 April 2012 - 12:14 PM
That was my 1st thought.
And in the extremely fine print on your auto insurance its stated, “If your going 1/2 MPH over the speed limit or breaking any other law when any accident happens we are not libel for this accident nor any expense that it might incur our policy holder for damage to his nor the vehicle he hits.”
So your insurance company gets the court order to get your black box from your car the moment you file a claim, & they will always find a loop hole to keep from paying any claim. Insurance companies are no more trustworthy than the man working for the government.
Posted 20 April 2012 - 12:27 PM
Not only has OnStar endlessly tracked and recorded the comings and goings of its customers, they have done so with the non-subscribers who still have the hardware installed. If you don't use onstar, you might want to consider pulling its fuse, or otherwise disabling it.
OnStar's 'big step' in privacy was to offer to let you constantly send a hardcopy letter to tell them not to record everywhere you drive, then trust them not to. Like most 'opt out' arrangements for privacy, they expect you to send this letter every six months to year, or whenever they change their policy, giving you every opportunity not to be spied on, by giving you many, many opportunities to forget to fill it out, sign it, stamp it, and mail it back.
Your wireless carrier for your 'smart phone' are no better. They also track you. So even if you make your car stop tracking you, your cellular phone is doing the same thing on top of it.
As for the bill, many cars already have 'black box' data. It's part of the OBDII computer. A small window of history of speed, engine details, events, etc. Implementing it is literally a software change. This bill will only 'standardize' it (as OBDII was 'standardized' to some degree in the mid-1990s). So one kind of OBDII frob can expect certain kinds of data to be there, and read it one standard way, rather than different ways for every make/model/year of car.
People are also voluntarily carrying 'black box' gadgets for an insurance discount.
Posted 20 April 2012 - 01:09 PM
Posted 20 April 2012 - 01:18 PM
This post has been edited by jtimouri: 20 April 2012 - 01:26 PM
Posted 20 April 2012 - 01:26 PM
Nothing in the U.S. constitution says you can't destroy your own car's 'brain' if you have an accident, either. Or patch the firmware never to record anything. Products and instructions for killing the car's 'brain' in an emergency will probably be forthcoming, as will 'new ROMs' for the racing enthusiasts.
But federal law is kind of crazy.
These little videos should explain nicely about why you should worry about things that talk to the cops 'for you'.
This site has more information on protecting your 4th amendment rights. Including a nice article about how the police need a warrant to attach GPS to your vehicle. No such guarantees made about built-in GPS and service providers that record that information routinely for resale, with your permission. Their videos about what to do when the police show up are kind of useful, too.
Things that log your location all the time save the police a lot of time getting search warrants. They even basically make it possible to 'go back in time' with a request to record for where you went. They pay OnStar or your wireless carrier a small fee, and here's a list of everywhere you've ever been with your car and/or phone. You agreed to be tracked when you signed the contract. Somewhere in line 30,000 of the terms of service that you never read, because it's as long as 'Crime and Punishment', and far more boring than any russian author, you said they could, and that they could 'share' that data with their 'partners'. 'Partners' including law enforcement.
So to have your shiny toy, you basically waived your 4th amendment rights against unreasonable search and seizure, and your 5th amendment rights against incriminating yourself (allowing your own electronic toys and gadgets to incriminate you automatically). I sure hope the capability of playing 'Angry Birds' while you're waiting in an elevator was worth it.
Posted 20 April 2012 - 01:56 PM
Raymond - that MAY be true at first, but how long do you think it will be before some "wiseguy" politician thinks it's a "great idea" to ADD the GPS capability to ALL vehicles? Any tech out there that they think they can bend to their advantage WILL be used/AB-used to those ends. Nothing will stop that except making tech like this "unavailable".
And, don't you think you could have made those comments without dropping down into the gutter in your last sentence?