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[JimBurnett]

Linux desktop sucks.

[WallyDuke]

JimBurnett, on 23 April 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

Linux desktop sucks.

What a thoughtful and informative comment.
Thank you for the enlightenment! I will now go and uninstall Ubuntu per your expert recommendation.

[mroughton]

Well thank you Jim Burnett for your "opinion"...if you can even call it that.

Before you continue making such a drastic conclusion of the Linux OS, please take a step back and take a look at what Linux actually is. Linux is not just a desktop OS but its framework is integrated into almost every aspect of your sad technology filled life.

Ubuntu, like many other frameworks is built using Linux. The use includes, desktops, servers, mainframes and supercomputers. But that may not matter to you. So, take a look at Tivo, Android Phones, and almost every other household tech product. You guessed it! All running Linux.

[Mattvm8v]

mroughton, on 23 April 2012 - 10:42 AM, said:

Well thank you Jim Burnett for your "opinion"...if you can even call it that.

Before you continue making such a drastic conclusion of the Linux OS, please take a step back and take a look at what Linux actually is. Linux is not just a desktop OS but its framework is integrated into almost every aspect of your sad technology filled life.

Ubuntu, like many other frameworks is built using Linux. The use includes, desktops, servers, mainframes and supercomputers. But that may not matter to you. So, take a look at Tivo, Android Phones, and almost every other household tech product. You guessed it! All running Linux.

The guy who says Linux sucks has point. I mean Linux will never be big in any industry, it's more for hackers and tech geeks. It will never go mainstream. The reasons are simple. It's not as user friendly as Windows. It's GUI is nothing compared to Windows or OSX. Open Source software will never go mainstream with businesses, they will always trust closed sourced software over open sourced. And it will never cater to gamers. Remember Dell tried offering Ubuntu as a option to Windows and 90% of customers chose Windows even with the choice.

As for Android. Android is only big because of the circumstances and nothing more. There's more of a selection of difference price ranges than iPhone and it's available on more carriers than the iPhone. That is the only reason Android is popular. Look how poorly the Android tablets sell in general, only ones selling well are the Kindle Fire because it's cheaper. But if you tried apps/games on both iOS and Android you would see 9 times out of 10, the iOS version a lot better. Plus iOS gets less malware than Android (which is funny since people say Linux doesn't get malware yet Android is the top mobile OS for malware). And it's not because Android is bigger. Android had more malware than iOS before it passed iOS in popularity.

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to insult Android, because I believe all products serve a purpose. Android's price range makes it suitable for those who don't want to pay a lot for a smartphone or a smartphone more as a phone and less for apps/games. Just like Linux has it's purpose but it does suck in the fact it's not for everyone. And I think that's more or less what the other guy meant.

[BobbyRobinson]

Mattvm8v, on 23 April 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

mroughton, on 23 April 2012 - 10:42 AM, said:

Well thank you Jim Burnett for your "opinion"...if you can even call it that.

Before you continue making such a drastic conclusion of the Linux OS, please take a step back and take a look at what Linux actually is. Linux is not just a desktop OS but its framework is integrated into almost every aspect of your sad technology filled life.

Ubuntu, like many other frameworks is built using Linux. The use includes, desktops, servers, mainframes and supercomputers. But that may not matter to you. So, take a look at Tivo, Android Phones, and almost every other household tech product. You guessed it! All running Linux.

The guy who says Linux sucks has point. I mean Linux will never be big in any industry, it's more for hackers and tech geeks. It will never go mainstream. The reasons are simple. It's not as user friendly as Windows. It's GUI is nothing compared to Windows or OSX. Open Source software will never go mainstream with businesses, they will always trust closed sourced software over open sourced. And it will never cater to gamers. Remember Dell tried offering Ubuntu as a option to Windows and 90% of customers chose Windows even with the choice.

As for Android. Android is only big because of the circumstances and nothing more. There's more of a selection of difference price ranges than iPhone and it's available on more carriers than the iPhone. That is the only reason Android is popular. Look how poorly the Android tablets sell in general, only ones selling well are the Kindle Fire because it's cheaper. But if you tried apps/games on both iOS and Android you would see 9 times out of 10, the iOS version a lot better. Plus iOS gets less malware than Android (which is funny since people say Linux doesn't get malware yet Android is the top mobile OS for malware). And it's not because Android is bigger. Android had more malware than iOS before it passed iOS in popularity.

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to insult Android, because I believe all products serve a purpose. Android's price range makes it suitable for those who don't want to pay a lot for a smartphone or a smartphone more as a phone and less for apps/games. Just like Linux has it's purpose but it does suck in the fact it's not for everyone. And I think that's more or less what the other guy meant.

Really? I have been using Ubuntu Linux for over a year now, and never have I had so much fun. Just about everything I could do with Windows, I can do with Ubuntu. I installed it on a older computer i had at the house after my Windows Vista machine stooped working, and I find this operating system perfect for my needs. It's fast to boot up, i NEVER get viruses, my old computer now does things a heck of a lot faster than my Windows machine used to do, and best of all, I DID NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR IT! The only people that say that Linux is hard to use, is those who have never TRIED to use it.

[BobbyRobinson]

Mattvm8v, on 23 April 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

mroughton, on 23 April 2012 - 10:42 AM, said:

Well thank you Jim Burnett for your "opinion"...if you can even call it that.

Before you continue making such a drastic conclusion of the Linux OS, please take a step back and take a look at what Linux actually is. Linux is not just a desktop OS but its framework is integrated into almost every aspect of your sad technology filled life.

Ubuntu, like many other frameworks is built using Linux. The use includes, desktops, servers, mainframes and supercomputers. But that may not matter to you. So, take a look at Tivo, Android Phones, and almost every other household tech product. You guessed it! All running Linux.

The guy who says Linux sucks has point. I mean Linux will never be big in any industry, it's more for hackers and tech geeks. It will never go mainstream. The reasons are simple. It's not as user friendly as Windows. It's GUI is nothing compared to Windows or OSX. Open Source software will never go mainstream with businesses, they will always trust closed sourced software over open sourced. And it will never cater to gamers. Remember Dell tried offering Ubuntu as a option to Windows and 90% of customers chose Windows even with the choice.

As for Android. Android is only big because of the circumstances and nothing more. There's more of a selection of difference price ranges than iPhone and it's available on more carriers than the iPhone. That is the only reason Android is popular. Look how poorly the Android tablets sell in general, only ones selling well are the Kindle Fire because it's cheaper. But if you tried apps/games on both iOS and Android you would see 9 times out of 10, the iOS version a lot better. Plus iOS gets less malware than Android (which is funny since people say Linux doesn't get malware yet Android is the top mobile OS for malware). And it's not because Android is bigger. Android had more malware than iOS before it passed iOS in popularity.

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to insult Android, because I believe all products serve a purpose. Android's price range makes it suitable for those who don't want to pay a lot for a smartphone or a smartphone more as a phone and less for apps/games. Just like Linux has it's purpose but it does suck in the fact it's not for everyone. And I think that's more or less what the other guy meant.

"it's more for hackers and tech geeks"


Really? I have been using Ubuntu Linux for over a year now, and never have I had so much fun. I am neither a hacker or a geek, and I found it easy use and operate. Just about everything I could do with Windows, I can do with Ubuntu. I installed it on a older computer i had at the house after my Windows Vista machine stooped working, and I find this operating system perfect for my needs. It's fast to boot up, i NEVER get viruses, my old computer now does things a heck of a lot faster than my Windows machine used to do, and best of all, I DID NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR IT! The only people that say that Linux is hard to use, is those who have never TRIED to use it.

This post has been edited by BobbyRobinson: 23 April 2012 - 12:15 PM

[BobbyRobinson]

BobbyRobinson, on 23 April 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

Mattvm8v, on 23 April 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

mroughton, on 23 April 2012 - 10:42 AM, said:

Well thank you Jim Burnett for your "opinion"...if you can even call it that.

Before you continue making such a drastic conclusion of the Linux OS, please take a step back and take a look at what Linux actually is. Linux is not just a desktop OS but its framework is integrated into almost every aspect of your sad technology filled life.

Ubuntu, like many other frameworks is built using Linux. The use includes, desktops, servers, mainframes and supercomputers. But that may not matter to you. So, take a look at Tivo, Android Phones, and almost every other household tech product. You guessed it! All running Linux.

The guy who says Linux sucks has point. I mean Linux will never be big in any industry, it's more for hackers and tech geeks. It will never go mainstream. The reasons are simple. It's not as user friendly as Windows. It's GUI is nothing compared to Windows or OSX. Open Source software will never go mainstream with businesses, they will always trust closed sourced software over open sourced. And it will never cater to gamers. Remember Dell tried offering Ubuntu as a option to Windows and 90% of customers chose Windows even with the choice.

As for Android. Android is only big because of the circumstances and nothing more. There's more of a selection of difference price ranges than iPhone and it's available on more carriers than the iPhone. That is the only reason Android is popular. Look how poorly the Android tablets sell in general, only ones selling well are the Kindle Fire because it's cheaper. But if you tried apps/games on both iOS and Android you would see 9 times out of 10, the iOS version a lot better. Plus iOS gets less malware than Android (which is funny since people say Linux doesn't get malware yet Android is the top mobile OS for malware). And it's not because Android is bigger. Android had more malware than iOS before it passed iOS in popularity.

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to insult Android, because I believe all products serve a purpose. Android's price range makes it suitable for those who don't want to pay a lot for a smartphone or a smartphone more as a phone and less for apps/games. Just like Linux has it's purpose but it does suck in the fact it's not for everyone. And I think that's more or less what the other guy meant.

"it's more for hackers and tech geeks"


Really? I have been using Ubuntu Linux for over a year now, and never have I had so much fun. I am neither a hacker or a geek, and I found it easy to use and operate. Just about everything I could do with Windows, I can do with Ubuntu. I installed it on a older computer i had at the house after my Windows Vista machine stooped working, and I find this operating system perfect for my needs. It's fast to boot up, i NEVER get viruses, my old computer now does things a heck of a lot faster than my Windows machine used to do, and best of all, I DID NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR a OS! The only people that say that Linux is hard to use, is those who have never TRIED to use it. Remember, Ubuntu is a FREE operating system. There is nothing better than free!

This post has been edited by BobbyRobinson: 23 April 2012 - 12:28 PM

[PASystems]

BobbyRobinson, on 23 April 2012 - 12:09 PM, said:

Mattvm8v, on 23 April 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

mroughton, on 23 April 2012 - 10:42 AM, said:

Well thank you Jim Burnett for your "opinion"...if you can even call it that.

Before you continue making such a drastic conclusion of the Linux OS, please take a step back and take a look at what Linux actually is. Linux is not just a desktop OS but its framework is integrated into almost every aspect of your sad technology filled life.

Ubuntu, like many other frameworks is built using Linux. The use includes, desktops, servers, mainframes and supercomputers. But that may not matter to you. So, take a look at Tivo, Android Phones, and almost every other household tech product. You guessed it! All running Linux.

The guy who says Linux sucks has point. I mean Linux will never be big in any industry, it's more for hackers and tech geeks. It will never go mainstream. The reasons are simple. It's not as user friendly as Windows. It's GUI is nothing compared to Windows or OSX. Open Source software will never go mainstream with businesses, they will always trust closed sourced software over open sourced. And it will never cater to gamers. Remember Dell tried offering Ubuntu as a option to Windows and 90% of customers chose Windows even with the choice.

As for Android. Android is only big because of the circumstances and nothing more. There's more of a selection of difference price ranges than iPhone and it's available on more carriers than the iPhone. That is the only reason Android is popular. Look how poorly the Android tablets sell in general, only ones selling well are the Kindle Fire because it's cheaper. But if you tried apps/games on both iOS and Android you would see 9 times out of 10, the iOS version a lot better. Plus iOS gets less malware than Android (which is funny since people say Linux doesn't get malware yet Android is the top mobile OS for malware). And it's not because Android is bigger. Android had more malware than iOS before it passed iOS in popularity.

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to insult Android, because I believe all products serve a purpose. Android's price range makes it suitable for those who don't want to pay a lot for a smartphone or a smartphone more as a phone and less for apps/games. Just like Linux has it's purpose but it does suck in the fact it's not for everyone. And I think that's more or less what the other guy meant.

Really? I have been using Ubuntu Linux for over a year now, and never have I had so much fun. Just about everything I could do with Windows, I can do with Ubuntu. I installed it on a older computer i had at the house after my Windows Vista machine stooped working, and I find this operating system perfect for my needs. It's fast to boot up, i NEVER get viruses, my old computer now does things a heck of a lot faster than my Windows machine used to do, and best of all, I DID NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR IT! The only people that say that Linux is hard to use, is those who have never TRIED to use it.

I have to say that both sides are correct in their opinions. As we know everybody has one and these are shaped by both experience and need. I have enjoyed some of the benefits of Ubuntu and some of the pitfalls. Ubuntu is not trouble free by a long shot but it is stable. I have to say I detest the way it handles mixed OS networks...Oh, it doesn't handle them at all. When logged into my Ubuntu OS the Windows computers were inaccessible. My current installation of Oneiric Ocelot freezes and jams, a problem I've been told stems from an incorrect Video Driver. There is a long winded set of commands I've been told to use in the boot repair console that would fix it. Windows rarely has that kind of problem. MS Windows has other problems and inconsistencies too numerous to mention here.

When Ubuntu does work it's very flexible, unlike Windows. I like the multiple desktops and working with it gave me greater insight on command line controls. Those command line or terminal commands are infinitely more powerful then any GUI interface. Using Ubuntu helped me discover some of the Windows equivalents. Ubuntu actually was of great assistance in helping me deal with Windows problems and hardware issues. I found it more responsive to troubleshooting steps than Windows ever was. For Gaming it does "Suck" and a good number of long time users will freely admit this. One needs to use third party programs, the Linux Virtual interface for Windows called "Wine" and other "geeky" means to get games with any great complexity to function in it. Let's face it, Ubuntu can be fun but in its present incarnation it's not much more than a toy and perhaps a learning tool. The learning curve is huge and thus not suitable for the average or below average user. It's a mixed bag of chips that can't be swallowed whole.

[saboxerman]

Mattvm8v, on 23 April 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

mroughton, on 23 April 2012 - 10:42 AM, said:

Well thank you Jim Burnett for your "opinion"...if you can even call it that.

Before you continue making such a drastic conclusion of the Linux OS, please take a step back and take a look at what Linux actually is. Linux is not just a desktop OS but its framework is integrated into almost every aspect of your sad technology filled life.

Ubuntu, like many other frameworks is built using Linux. The use includes, desktops, servers, mainframes and supercomputers. But that may not matter to you. So, take a look at Tivo, Android Phones, and almost every other household tech product. You guessed it! All running Linux.

The guy who says Linux sucks has point. I mean Linux will never be big in any industry, it's more for hackers and tech geeks. It will never go mainstream. The reasons are simple. It's not as user friendly as Windows. It's GUI is nothing compared to Windows or OSX. Open Source software will never go mainstream with businesses, they will always trust closed sourced software over open sourced. And it will never cater to gamers. Remember Dell tried offering Ubuntu as a option to Windows and 90% of customers chose Windows even with the choice.

As for Android. Android is only big because of the circumstances and nothing more. There's more of a selection of difference price ranges than iPhone and it's available on more carriers than the iPhone. That is the only reason Android is popular. Look how poorly the Android tablets sell in general, only ones selling well are the Kindle Fire because it's cheaper. But if you tried apps/games on both iOS and Android you would see 9 times out of 10, the iOS version a lot better. Plus iOS gets less malware than Android (which is funny since people say Linux doesn't get malware yet Android is the top mobile OS for malware). And it's not because Android is bigger. Android had more malware than iOS before it passed iOS in popularity.

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to insult Android, because I believe all products serve a purpose. Android's price range makes it suitable for those who don't want to pay a lot for a smartphone or a smartphone more as a phone and less for apps/games. Just like Linux has it's purpose but it does suck in the fact it's not for everyone. And I think that's more or less what the other guy meant.

I understand you are sticking up for the first person's very blunt comment. However, you are missing a bit. Linux as a desktop OS certainly isn't mainstream, however, without it or it's conception, numerous products today wouldn't even exist. Even at Apple's very core, there are some Linux components. Android was built off of it as well.

On the note of Android only being popular because it's cheaper, not necessarily. I've owned and iPhone, have an iPad 2, and have an Android phone. My Android phone cost the same with a contract that one of the new iPhone 16 GB phones does. I opted for Android. Simply put, it dances circle around what an iPhone can do. However, there is a place for both. For what I need it for, it works a heck of a lot better. My iPad 2 is great, however, has severe limitations, especially in the area of expandable storage.

As for Linux not being user friendly, it sounds as if you haven't tried the variety of OS's available for the past 5+ years. Zorin OS was built to be virtually identical in the set-up as Windows. Ubuntu and LinuxMint are VERY similar to that of a Mac. So........really, what difficulty is there? Are you thinking of the days when Linux was right along side MS DOS?

Biggest benefit to Linux OS's is they are able to run more stable than a Windows product and require less physical system requirements than that of Windows or a Mac. Plus, with it no being mainstream, most developers of virus' tend to focus their attention on other products that will yield more fruit for their devious efforts.

[nonseq]

saboxerman, on 23 April 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

I understand you are sticking up for the first person's very blunt comment. However, you are missing a bit. Linux as a desktop OS certainly isn't mainstream, however, without it or it's conception, numerous products today wouldn't even exist. Even at Apple's very core, there are some Linux components. Android was built off of it as well.

How is that true if OSX came from NeXTSTEP-OpenSTEP which predate Linux by years? http://en.wikipedia....ki/OS_X#History

Not to be argumentative but I have read this claim over and over again and would like some concrete examples. Can you provide instances where Linux was included in OSX? I don't doubt that they may be there but would like to know what they are.

Thanks

This post has been edited by nonseq: 23 April 2012 - 01:38 PM

[jerseyguy]

JimBurnett, on 23 April 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

Linux desktop sucks.

JimBurnett
he is use to spoonfeeding from windows and restricted to his world of Gates and Windows.
Open those gates and try to look out of old windows you will find all new exiting world
with faster boot/OS app center/HeadsupDisplay/OS for android.

wakeup..

[RBouvet]

I'm new to Linux after decades to being a slave to Windows, and I can easily say, without reservation, that I fully enjoy Linux (Ubunut & Mint) and spend more time using it, than
Windows. Nice to see I have an alternative to the long tentacles of Windows and its every grab for money.

[RickDobbelmannqbtt]

nonseq, on 23 April 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

saboxerman, on 23 April 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

I understand you are sticking up for the first person's very blunt comment. However, you are missing a bit. Linux as a desktop OS certainly isn't mainstream, however, without it or it's conception, numerous products today wouldn't even exist. Even at Apple's very core, there are some Linux components. Android was built off of it as well.

How is that true if OSX came from NeXTSTEP-OpenSTEP which predate Linux by years? http://en.wikipedia....ki/OS_X#History

Not to be argumentative but I have read this claim over and over again and would like some concrete examples. Can you provide instances where Linux was included in OSX? I don't doubt that they may be there but would like to know what they are.

Thanks

It does not have any linux but it does have some GNU which is the same the same license shared with Linux hence GNU/Linux

That being said. Most commands in OSX and Linux terminal are identicle 100% free open source GNU commands.

And no I dont have to to proove it to you. I am not here to help you with your ignorance. Your own research can help you with that.

But ill help you get started.

"GNU is a recursive acronym for "GNU's Not Unix!", chosen because GNU's design is Unix-like, but differs from Unix by being free software and containing no Unix code.[6] Programs released under the auspices of the GNU Project are called GNU packages or GNU programs. The system's basic components include the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC), the GNU Binary Utilities (binutils), the bash shell, the GNU C library (glibc), and GNU Core Utilities (coreutils). GNU developers have contributed Linux ports of GNU applications and utilities, which are now also widely used on other operating systems such as BSD variants, Solaris and Mac OS X."

This post has been edited by RickDobbelmannqbtt: 23 April 2012 - 02:04 PM

[nonseq]

RickDobbelmannqbtt, on 23 April 2012 - 02:01 PM, said:

And no I dont have to to proove it to you. I am not here to help you with your ignorance. Your own research can help you with that.

In other words, you've got nothing.

I've done my research, pal, and so far the claims you have made are largely unsupportable- especially your claim that Open Source is more secure because it's Open Source. Pure jingoism. No objective proof.

Now, call me an idiot again. Who the hell do you think you are? What are your creds beyond arrogance?

[MerrillButterman]

JimBurnett, on 23 April 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

Linux desktop sucks.

Fair enough but if you believe this to be true, why take the time to read or comment on something that clearly "sucks." Could it be all of the attention you have gain through it? Could it be you enjoy people trying to pick this apart and in the process their anger gets in the way of constructive comments. I think you are taking this all in and knowing your words caused such a reaction. That kind of power can be rather intoxicating. Use whatever you find more productive.

[qst40mci]

And on a positive note, I'm definitely looking forward to Thursday and to watching the development of 12.10.

[orionds]

JimBurnett, on 23 April 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

Linux desktop sucks.

Nice work, cause you use Linux every day whether you like it or not. Otherwise, why don't you, for example, stop using the Internet?

[anachakr]

True ubuntu is really good. I have used All version of Windows for many years and was introduced to ubuntu by my friend. I was shocked to see the user-friendliness of the os. I have been using ubuntu for around 3 yrs now. I recently installed Mint since its look and feel is supposed to be better than ubuntu. I agree, Mint looks really cool and classy. However i still prefer ubuntu. As for popularity, i guess word of mouth matter. Now lot of my family members and friends have installed ubuntu basis my feedback and they also seem to be going through the same cycle. Shocked at userfriendliness and appreciate the features which are not charged. My vote Linux anyday going forward..........
Oh BTW i forgot... any of you windows users of pre Win7 (I have not used Win7) my hardware does not support... remember you need to install drivers every time you add a sound card, webcam, printer, mike etc.. honestly checkout linux you will be surprised with the results.. it rarely needs to be told what is the hardward about.. cream of the cake is it was able to identify my dsl connection automatically and stayed connected through the router.. Now that is an intelligent OS.. Try it and then give an opinion like "It sucks".. I won't be surprised through if you end up "Eating your words".

This post has been edited by anachakr: 23 April 2012 - 09:24 PM

[EdBurns]

nonseq, on 23 April 2012 - 02:24 PM, said:

RickDobbelmannqbtt, on 23 April 2012 - 02:01 PM, said:

And no I dont have to to proove it to you. I am not here to help you with your ignorance. Your own research can help you with that.

In other words, you've got nothing.

I've done my research, pal, and so far the claims you have made are largely unsupportable- especially your claim that Open Source is more secure because it's Open Source. Pure jingoism. No objective proof.

Now, call me an idiot again. Who the hell do you think you are? What are your creds beyond arrogance?

Wow, you certainly do get upset don't you? Especially for someone who asks for proof while giving none to support your own arguments.