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[anonymousr46j]

Please don't call me a hater, but what did Apple invent..?

[JoeRettzo]

So they are going to develop their own OS instead of piggy backing off of Xerox?

[crosswordbob]

anonymousr46j, on 26 April 2012 - 07:47 AM, said:

Please don't call me a hater, but what did Apple invent..?

http://en.wikipedia....e_Inc._products

[shadowamazon]

My minions: this is your master Steve speaking. There is no shame in steal other's ideas. But listen nobody shall steal the ideas that I have already stolen. Steal your own ideas damn it. If you steal the ideas that I have stolen, AKA second hand steal, I will go thermo on you, and I will spend every penny to right this wrong.

[shadowamazon]

crosswordbob, on 26 April 2012 - 07:57 AM, said:

anonymousr46j, on 26 April 2012 - 07:47 AM, said:

Please don't call me a hater, but what did Apple invent..?

http://en.wikipedia....e_Inc._products

If you want right wing news, you have fox news. if you want Apple propaganda the least you can do is to quote http://www.patentlyapple.com/ instead of just wikipedia.
Shame on you for being a isheep zealot.

[CenTexKev]

Oh, you mean like the graphical, mouse controlled user interface that Xerox invented and Steve Jobs stole because Xerox was stupid enough to show it to him. Cook and Jobs, both incredible hypocrites!

[crosswordbob]

shadowamazon, on 26 April 2012 - 08:10 AM, said:

crosswordbob, on 26 April 2012 - 07:57 AM, said:

anonymousr46j, on 26 April 2012 - 07:47 AM, said:

Please don't call me a hater, but what did Apple invent..?

http://en.wikipedia....e_Inc._products

If you want right wing news, you have fox news. if you want Apple propaganda the least you can do is to quote http://www.patentlyapple.com/ instead of just wikipedia.
Shame on you for being a isheep zealot.

What, I'm an iSheep zealot because I didn't post a link to what you describe as propaganda? Because I linked to some objective information?

I'm not the zealot here, and neither am I the one bleating out the same tired old insults just because other people do, and I think it'll make me all cool and superior.

[nonseq]

CenTexKev, on 26 April 2012 - 08:11 AM, said:

Oh, you mean like the graphical, mouse controlled user interface that Xerox invented and Steve Jobs stole because Xerox was stupid enough to show it to him. Cook and Jobs, both incredible hypocrites!

Steve Jobs did not steal the GUI. Xerox was amply compensated for the "look". The Apple GUI does not resemble the PARC interface. The mouse was not a PARC development. It was developed Douglas Engelbart at the Stanford Research Institute in 1963. It might be better to do a little fact checking before regurgitating the Apple hater mantra. Comparing the PARC interface to the Lisa/GUI reveals that Apple "made the GUI" their own. All it takes is a little open minded investigation. As it stands, you comment is just a lazy repetition of a lie and offends the truth.

This post has been edited by nonseq: 26 April 2012 - 08:49 AM

[artzy65]

CenTexKev, on 26 April 2012 - 08:11 AM, said:

Oh, you mean like the graphical, mouse controlled user interface that Xerox invented and Steve Jobs stole because Xerox was stupid enough to show it to him. Cook and Jobs, both incredible hypocrites!

You need to do some serious research.

This post has been edited by artzy65: 26 April 2012 - 08:54 AM

[LordInsidious]

Shouldn't a CEO of a company that is being sued and is suing other companies for coping (both successfully and unsuccessfully) be quiet about not wanting to litigate just innovate? I hate to say it but MS seems to be the only company to have taken the high road here and tried to settle first litigate second.

[WallyDuke]

More fanboy bating BS. Shame on PCWorld, and shame on us!

[lostviking]

Pretty funny considering they are the ones who keep being found infringing on other companies patents.

Go have some more KoolAid Tom.

[skribbbler]

Look at smartphones prior to the iPhone.

Look at smartphones after.

The defense rests.

[mo1076]

isn't this guy stating the obvious concept that what goes up must at some point come down?: ) it's the cycle of life, not apple.

[LordInsidious]

skribbbler, on 26 April 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

Look at smartphones prior to the iPhone.

Look at smartphones after.

The defense rests.

Are you talking about the fact that there were touch screen phones before and after?

[traxxion]

skribbbler, on 26 April 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

Look at smartphones prior to the iPhone.

Look at smartphones after.

The defense rests.

You would not make a very good lawyer. For a start, as even Tim Cook acknowledges, Apple are the plaintiff/prosecution/claimant not the defense. Second, what you said works the other way too:

Look at smartphones prior to the iPhone... oh there you have it. There were smartphones with full VGA touchscreens, media playback, even copy-paste WAAAY before Apple even thought of making a phone. So in what sense did they 'invent' it? The fact that Apple as usual slapped a menu frontend on someone elses ideas and attempted to patent every conceivable nuance of this 'brand new interface' while everyone else had been perfectly happy just to invent the thing in the first place and improve things as they went along is irrelevant I suppose???

[traxxion]

crosswordbob, on 26 April 2012 - 07:57 AM, said:

http://en.wikipedia....e_Inc._products

From the article you linked, I can gather not a single invention.

Home computer? no
GUI? no
Laptop? no
Media player? no
PDA? no
Smartphone? no

What I did gather though was:
"Apple's brand's loyalty is considered unusual for any product. At one time, Apple evangelists were actively engaged by the company, but this was after the phenomenon was already firmly established. Apple evangelist Guy Kawasaki has called the brand fanaticism "something that was stumbled upon".[163] Apple has, however, supported the continuing existence of a network of Mac User Groups in most major and many minor centers of population where Mac computers are available."

Explains the worlds current plight pretty well I think....

This post has been edited by traxxion: 26 April 2012 - 01:35 PM

[crosswordbob]

traxxion, on 26 April 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

crosswordbob, on 26 April 2012 - 07:57 AM, said:

http://en.wikipedia....e_Inc._products

From the article you linked, I can gather not a single invention.

Then you don't understand the word "invention".

traxxion said:

Home computer? no
GUI? no
Laptop? no
Media player? no
PDA? no
Smartphone? no

Simply listing extremely broad concepts that Apple weren't the first to realise does not demonstrate a lack of inventions. James Dyson's best known invention is a type of vacuum cleaner—we don't tell him it doesn't count because there were vacuum cleaners before it. In exactly the same vein Apple invented variants of the generic devices you listed above that were radical departures from the existing efforts. They invented the first smartphone with mass consumer appeal; the first tablet, frankly, that didn't suck; the first media player your granny could use. They took some basic UI proofs-of-concepts and invented the first fully realised graphical OS. This is not to say I like all these inventions—I don't—but there's no denying they are inventions.

The age-old trick of overgeneralising a market in order to belttle or deny innovation is just that: a trick; sophistry. You can play that game with any invention.

traxxion said:

What I did gather though was:
"Apple's brand's loyalty is considered unusual for any product. At one time, Apple evangelists were actively engaged by the company, but this was after the phenomenon was already firmly established. Apple evangelist Guy Kawasaki has called the brand fanaticism "something that was stumbled upon".[163] Apple has, however, supported the continuing existence of a network of Mac User Groups in most major and many minor centers of population where Mac computers are available."

Sure, though in all honesty that is starting to look out of date. Apple's iDevices are growing at an incredible rate, and with something like 1/3 of new iPhone/iPad customers never having bought from Apple before, the fanboys are quickly being outnumbered by ordinary, non-evangelical, everyday consumers.

[LeonLei]

does apple invent anything?