[oldtimer]

I have considered buying a Mac,but have never actually seen 1 on display or knowsomeone who can show me 1 being used.Going back in time to my Atari,Mac actually started things like icons and GUI before IBM.Atari was more Mac then IBM in style.With only 4 Mb of ram it wasn't slow.They where very popular with song writers and i think Mac also is today.Used B and W Atari's are still being looked for at a good price.

[shongohan]

I was thinking about show the people my mac... because I think that the first problem with the macs is that people think that is dificult use them or that the people think that only is needed to editing video or audio or compose webs or pdfs, newspapers etc but use that clich is a lie and manipulation. Then for me is not an effort show my mac to the people then on sunday I will post here a youtube video (with a link option to download the HD video about mac). I learn you how easy is install programs, found mac programs in internet and other tips and how you can use your mac with windows application in absolutely wonderful multitask. (you can see 3dmark 2001 showing 60fps in a window of vmware showing the first steps in directx with virtualization). Is too easy use a mac!!! I am not an evangelist but is frustrating ear people speaking about windows troubles or that linux is dificult or with few profesional programs, then I want to show that the best alternative at this moment is Mac. If in a future a great miracle solves (I dont think that can be posible) that windows problems: virus and stability then I can return to that OS but at this moment is a headache use windows. I dont need ergonomy or beautiful design or spectacular effects of both (windows or mac) only need an usable computer and that is not offered with windows and linux is dificult and incompatible. You dont need windows every day with a mac. I use a lot of programs because I love computer world. I only use windows (in my case) to reboot and play to fifa 2007 or some days to need for speed most wanted. A lot of week i dont use windows for nothing. With linux you want that virtualization every day because you cant find every profesional program. I use in the past ubuntu and knoppix (and debian in my xbox haha for chat&email but was very slow... :D )

[Ceadderman]

[quote name='cberry']This is either a response to number 9, or a possible 11 for the "things we love..." column. Anyway, having strict hardware control is of incredible benefit to IT. We can create one (two if you count G4's) deploy image(s) with 90% of user setup done, copy it to hardware, and the thing boots. Even if you run Windows in Boot Camp, because the hardware uses a finite number of high quality components, all with well written drivers, Windows is screaming fast. Try that with other manufacturers who seem to put what's cheapest that day in their machines so even they have trouble keeping track of drivers. This doesn't even consider the other manageability features available for Macs - Apple Remote Desktop, Filewave., etc. Then there's the intuitive user interface (cuts down on training investment), wise software engineering, and, so far, freeedom from viruses. Add that troubleshooting a Mac problem on average takes 1/10 the time as troubleshooting a Windows client, and you have lean IT!Dual core fool core.Gimme a freakin break. I can get an ASUS Motherboard with 2 64 slots and stack my processing speed.It'll out perform any freakin Mac on the face of this planet.I can get an ATI card that makes anything Apple puts out to shame. And how big can you go in HD? Not NEARLY as big as WE can go in a MS system I think that the latest HD to come out is a TB??? On top of that if we're serious webbies don't you think that we have a back up drive to keep every important file locked up safe and sound? Our sound cards beat ANYTHING that Apple puts out. Our program availabillity is send to NONE and if something breaks we can fix it ourselves with little need of a Liscenced Apple dealer.My ex had a Mac and I hated that friggin thing. She was always comin to me to fix her problems with it. Even after we split up.And I hate the myth that you don't get viruses on a Mac. The hell you don't. If you're in a chat room you're just as vulnerable as the rest of us. You don't know what little turd hacker out there has your system.And even if they don't run macs, that's gotta tell you the performance on those things SUCK. And I hate usin that term. But in this case I'll make a reasonable exception. MACS SUCK go out and get yourselves a REAL computer. Quit playin at it.

[shongohan]

you need let you to know macs

[DoctorDoom]

So no games, you have to buy a new computer if you wanna swap motherboards, and they cost 4x as much as a comparable PC. I'd say those are some definite MAJOR handicaps, and the main reasons Apple holds such a puny piece of the PC market. And that's also why I'd have to be a drooling retard to buy a mac. And even then I'd probably be reluctant.What, no mention of overpriced apple-only products and the lock on the peripheral market?Hey, what can I say, I LIKE GAMES and I LIKE MONEY, therefore I'd be dumber than a box of rocks to buy an Apple, now wouldn't I?But hey, at least they LOOK nice, and that's what's important, right?The sooner this ship capsizes and heads for the briny depths the better.

[westsideguy]

Nothing earth-shattering in this article - some points are spot-on; but there the same things that've been said by a thousand others.A couple nits though."Apple doesn't tell us what security flaws they're working on" - except for a couple rare instances, neither does Microsoft. That's not good, but Apple is not an exception here."iPod doesn't play WMA" - Zune doesn't even play all WMA. PlaysForSure, anyone?"No good for gaming" - what, exactly, should Apple do about this?

[anywhereman]

Mac users (I'm not alone here)...http://www.buzzdash.com/?page=buzzbite&BB_id=4546...though admittedly, I understand the appeal.

[interconnect]

RemovedEdited by Cosmo,No personal attacks are allowed. kthxbye

[DoctorDoom]

LMAO!!What about me? Don't I get any bashing from MacBoys? I mean I basically said that I hope Apple sinks like the titanic! I'm feeling neglected!geezEdited by Cosmo,Just removing the quote, nothing to see here

[KellieCM]

You are all welcome to debate the merits of Mac vs PC until your hands fall off from typing... but please, keep it about the subject and eliminate the personal attacks. Big opinions are welcome, and expression/defense of those opinions are encouraged. But personal attacks have no place in that. If you have any questions, let me know.

[BrooklynSlade]

Are you kidding me? A reason you don't like Apple is that they came out with a poorly designed mouse 10 YEARS AGO. Thats like saying you don't like America because it once believed in slaves. That's ridiculous. And please, the iMac can run any game now because it has Boot Camp and you're being malicious in saying that Apple should 'persuade devlopers more' for games. Apple really doesn't control the software and games that other companies make. Yea and saying that they're 'too secretive', wtf is up with that. Of course they are. Microsoft tells about everything its making. We've especially known this for the past 3 years as Micro$oft has delayed and delayed its final OS. Which sucks ASS. Apple waits to show quality products. OS's. Software. A lot of Hardware. Microsoft just makes dissapointing OS's, dirt-cheap software, and poop-colored iPod rivals. Apple is delaying Leopard by 4 months. B/C THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE MOST REVOLUTIONARY PHONE EVER MADE.

[oldtimer]

It was described as Tos in Rom.It had no OS to Install .Just turn it on and use it.It was also many times better for TV out and RCA audio out to my home stereosystem.16 colors was enough for most games and the sound was great.How come these options aren't as good and as simple to connect today ?Although audio out isn't that difficult to a Home amplifier.I was saddened when Atari stopped produceing.It seems as i remember adding a cd-romnever happend.Hard drives just arrived and a (i think) 20 Gb was about $600 CDN.But why do we have to keep buying newer cd versions of Windows ?Why isn't the Operating System part of the motherboard with low cost updates.?Please comment Pro or Con on my thoughts and comments from 1988. PC's today seem to be purposly designed to keep you upgradeing devices amd software.I hope this isn't too far off topic.:wink:

[alrad2002]

As at least half of these points are yawners, this article could have been a bit more credible by keeping it to a more realistic 4 or 5 things we hate about Apple.......no need to stretch it out so far just to reach the magical 10. And -- if the authors are TRULY Mac users, than they missed the biggest one that they only alluded to in the opening paragraphs: Number of hours wasted in my life attempting to defend the world's best computing platform in the face of foaming-at-the-mouth, self-proclaimed computer "experts" who have never even touched a Mac! I administer Sun, Linux, and True64 computers as a profession. I have managed Compaq, Sun, Dell, and a variety of other hardware. I have an MCSE. And yet I buy nothing but Macs for myself. Whether or not one chooses to plunge into the world of Macintosh, I can only dare the PeeCee zealots to stop re-hashing the same tired old useless arguments from 10 years ago and MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION!

[jenfield]

An eleventh thing to hate about Apple is that it tends to be overpriced. I work at a major retailer that sells competing products made by Apple, Microsoft, Sony, Samsung and others. In almost all cases, our products that are made by Apple are more expensive than ones made by other companies even though their feature lists are virtually idenical. One exception is our 30 GB mp3 players. Our 30 GB Zune costs the same (as of this post) as our 30 GB iPod. However, you can save over $40 by getting a 30 GB player from Creative or Samsung. All four of them have a full colour screen, same storage capacity and most of the same accessories. Apple's computers are also overpriced, especially when you consider how underpowered they are compared to IBM clones in the same price range. If you sort our computer offerings from most expensive to least on our web site, Apple is always at the top. The main reason I wont buy an Apple echoes reason 8 in the article. Where are the games?

[oreilly]

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[trevor97007]

It is untrue about only being able to upgrade beyond memory. If you can open the case to upgrade the RAM, you can upgrade the hard drive and find logic board upgrades online. It's not as easy to perform upgrades on a Mac, but it is doable.

[imajoebob]

Could this tripe could be any more pathetic? Basically, you don't like Apple because it acts like a successful mainstream business, not a blustering high-tech PR machine. You don't like that they: - protect trade secrets. - tell the truth. - can out-market everybody in the business (Do you hate Coca-Cola for using "Coke" for many of it's products?).- don't include sub-niche peripherals (but let 3d parties make them). - have cutting edge design (that isn't 100%) that most other companies steal as fast as they can.- don't have to update their software weekly (or daily). - leave gaming systems to the games makers. - only make great computers for each price range, not crappy computers for every price range. - won't let others screw up the things they do right. They don't think like computer makers. They think like a business. And your "10 Things We Like" rebuts these banalities you try to pawn off as journalism. So I was wrong; pathetic would be an improvement.

[imajoebob]

I didn't have room for my final thought -Apple's business model is very simple: Make great products. Create great user experience.Provide great support.Have great marketing.Name one other company that does all four as well.Why else are people lining up for a $500 phone they haven't actually seen, and don't know what it will actually do?And you don't like this because...?

[alrad2002]

OREILLY -- What??? Only #11? Now I'm REALLY peaved! ;)

[shongohan]

I love money too!!!That is the reason because I never more will buy a pc.Pcs are not cheapest or not as much as windows world want to try to convince us.For that small diference I love the tranquility of OSX (I was windows user from 88 to 2005 when I buy a macmini, my first mac).http://www.systemshootouts.org/shootouts/desktop/2007/0417dt2800.htmlhttp://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Home/660E746C-F388-4AC7-98F5-6CB951501472.htmlhttp://www.xvsxp.com/http://www.macvspc.info/http://www.dtgeeks.com/blogs/comment/macprovsdellprecisiontherealprice_comparison/P40/For the people that try to convence you (i think that he is autoconvence) you writing in capital letters:Your wife had a mac with OSX? May be that other macs OS's (<OSX) had more problems or bugs but you must let you take a time to know new macs and experience using mac OSX in your own PC... or visit some friend that have an intel mac. And no, mac havent virus. Is not perfect but in comparison with windows you can experience a lot of tranquility. And more, in autumn you can discover a new OSX system even better.Continuation to other post:You can find a lot of videos about parallels or vmware mac with the keywords: mac vmwareor mac parallels in www.youtube.com. That videos are about virtualization (although i think that I will do a more complete video with a lot of answers about your questions).Remember that is only virtualization, you still can find full native speed and 3d compatibility rebooting the machine pressing alt button and selecting the OS to boot... (the machine is pc compatible... is the same hardware but with better OS). I will publish my video (still I am not have time to make that but in the weekend) in sunday.Then you can decide to try with a mac... or even try in your normal pc (is not the same stability but you can try.... with the link I published in the other post)If you visit this web you can find that the macs are not expensive but even if I need to pay 200 more I think that is a best inversion because I am not need to be worried about virus, lost of data or maintenance of my computer. My time cost money too and I dont need lost my time with problems. Only enjoy!!!