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Posted 29 April 2012 - 09:39 AM
That's it in a nutshell. I am convinced that a sustainable "tablet market" has not emerged. There is an "iPad Market", a "Kindle Fire Market", and a fantasy market that has yet to coalesce. There soon may be a WP7 Windows RT market but self sustaining "Android Tablet", or a "Playbook Market" do no exist.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 09:58 AM
All I know is 250 for the new Galaxy Tab 2 is a much better investment all the way around.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:20 AM
If Amazon adds dual cameras and a mic to the Kindle, and keep the same price, they will have trouble keeping up with demand.
I am not a tablet person, but I like the Asus Prime as a netbook/tablet alternative, it needs to be able to run a full feature OS (Linux_KDE) for it to be a true netbook replacement. This is not hard technically since Android already runs on top of Linux, they just need a way to switch the window manager and voilà !
As an e-reader, I agree the $500 Galaxy Tab 2 is the best investment because of its Super AMOLED screen, it is like buying a tablet from two years in the future today.
I am not a tablet person, but I like the Asus Prime as a netbook/tablet alternative, it needs to be able to run a full feature OS (Linux_KDE) for it to be a true netbook replacement. This is not hard technically since Android already runs on top of Linux, they just need a way to switch the window manager and voilà !
As an e-reader, I agree the $500 Galaxy Tab 2 is the best investment because of its Super AMOLED screen, it is like buying a tablet from two years in the future today.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:31 AM
Great article! For what I need a tablet to do, the KFIRE is perfect. Can't beat the price and the media that is available with a Prime membership, which I already had. I don't need a table to be a camera or recorder, there are other gadgets to do that stuff.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:58 AM
chashot, on 29 April 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:
Most reviews on Amazon say that Kindle Fire is horrible for reading and causes eye strain and other problems. I will wait for a fix.
Those "reviewers" may be Samsung employees or subcontractors. Just like the "Wake Up" skit.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:08 AM
As an original Kindle user and in looking to upgrade I checked out the Kindle Fire. Most users will not want to root a device and it does not have expandable storage. I just purchased the new Samsung Galaxy Tab 2, from Amazon. The Kindle people will have to work fast to retain marketshare.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:59 AM
The Kindle Fire is great....don't need a camera or mic. Don't need an expandable...simply delete books or apps and they are kept in the Cloud if I ever want them again. Reading the Fire definitely doesn't create eye strain...I'm not sure why people are saying that except they are either lying or haven't gone in and change the font type, font size, or the color of the background, which you can do all on the Fire....so wait for the fix that I hope doesn't come because it is not needed.
It's a great buy.
It's a great buy.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:59 AM
The Kindle Fire is great....don't need a camera or mic. Don't need an expandable...simply delete books or apps and they are kept in the Cloud if I ever want them again. Reading the Fire definitely doesn't create eye strain...I'm not sure why people are saying that except they are either lying or haven't gone in and change the font type, font size, or the color of the background, which you can do all on the Fire....so wait for the fix that I hope doesn't come because it is not needed.
It's a great buy.
It's a great buy.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:51 PM
Kindle Fire is not 4G or even 3G. You must have access to a LAN.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:53 PM
First of all, the author4 just doesn't get what Android is all about. Android isn't trying to build a single, identifiable, tablet market that belongs to Google. Android was meant to be an alternative, open, system that can be used on a host of devices, phones, tablets, set top boxes, etc. The whole idea was that manufacturers of phones and tablets wouldn't be stuck with whatever closed OS Microsoft, Apple, Nokia, or some other company, offered them.
The whole idea that the author finds significance in narrowly defined segments, tablet vs. phone, vs. e-reader, shows that he is stuck in the past. I would seriously doubt that 10 years from now that these segments will even exist in their present form. Who is going to want a separate device for phone calls and another device for tablet duties, and another for controlling their home automation system, and yet another for navigating and playing media in their car. All of these devices are going to merge into one spectrum of devices that perform anywhere from all of these functions to just one.
The whole idea that the author finds significance in narrowly defined segments, tablet vs. phone, vs. e-reader, shows that he is stuck in the past. I would seriously doubt that 10 years from now that these segments will even exist in their present form. Who is going to want a separate device for phone calls and another device for tablet duties, and another for controlling their home automation system, and yet another for navigating and playing media in their car. All of these devices are going to merge into one spectrum of devices that perform anywhere from all of these functions to just one.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:56 PM
Stanleyq0fp, on 29 April 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:
Kindle Fire is not 4G or even 3G. You must have access to a LAN.
Actually access to WiFI. I suspect that Kindle Fire owners are unconcerned about 4G or 3G. They are buying into the Amazon ecosystem and specs mean virtually nothing to the average buyer as long as it works as advertised- which it does.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:56 PM
I had a Kindle Fire for about 2 weeks before returning it ,
It may not have been the choice for me but that does not mean its not the right fit for someone else.
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Positives: Cheap Price Point, If you have an Amazon Prime or Netflix Account you get access to tons of content , plus lots of Free Classic Books out there. For reading and streaming video its a nice device.
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Negative: very small keyboard, foot print was to small for me for web surfing, I did not need a camera but if you do it lacks one, confusing menu system
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The Fire is not an iPad but its a great value if it fits your needs.
It may not have been the choice for me but that does not mean its not the right fit for someone else.
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Positives: Cheap Price Point, If you have an Amazon Prime or Netflix Account you get access to tons of content , plus lots of Free Classic Books out there. For reading and streaming video its a nice device.
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Negative: very small keyboard, foot print was to small for me for web surfing, I did not need a camera but if you do it lacks one, confusing menu system
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The Fire is not an iPad but its a great value if it fits your needs.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:56 PM
I'd like to know where I can get a $69 Kindle Fire with 8GB of RAM like the author suggests?
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 01:02 PM
nonseq, on 29 April 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:
chashot, on 29 April 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:
Most reviews on Amazon say that Kindle Fire is horrible for reading and causes eye strain and other problems. I will wait for a fix.
Those "reviewers" may be Samsung employees or subcontractors. Just like the "Wake Up" skit.
To be frank, most LCD based devices cause long term eye strain.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 01:08 PM
captbilly, on 29 April 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:
First of all, the author4 just doesn't get what Android is all about. Android isn't trying to build a single, identifiable, tablet market that belongs to Google. Android was meant to be an alternative, open, system that can be used on a host of devices, phones, tablets, set top boxes, etc. The whole idea was that manufacturers of phones and tablets wouldn't be stuck with whatever closed OS Microsoft, Apple, Nokia, or some other company, offered them.
The whole idea that the author finds significance in narrowly defined segments, tablet vs. phone, vs. e-reader, shows that he is stuck in the past. I would seriously doubt that 10 years from now that these segments will even exist in their present form. Who is going to want a separate device for phone calls and another device for tablet duties, and another for controlling their home automation system, and yet another for navigating and playing media in their car. All of these devices are going to merge into one spectrum of devices that perform anywhere from all of these functions to just one.
The whole idea that the author finds significance in narrowly defined segments, tablet vs. phone, vs. e-reader, shows that he is stuck in the past. I would seriously doubt that 10 years from now that these segments will even exist in their present form. Who is going to want a separate device for phone calls and another device for tablet duties, and another for controlling their home automation system, and yet another for navigating and playing media in their car. All of these devices are going to merge into one spectrum of devices that perform anywhere from all of these functions to just one.
You do understand that Google totally controls Android and the Android development cycle? You are also aware that the major carriers and manufacturers are very interested in WP 7 and Windows 8 so that they have something more to offer than pseudo-open Android with its mediocre apps and fragmented implementation- especially in the tablet space where an "open" Android Tablet has yet to gain any traction at all?
We've seen "all-in-one" devices come and go and I suspect that it will be hard to design and build a superb one-size-fills-all mobile device. Someday we will all be able to "jack-in" (wired or wireless) to the web (or whatever it will be called then) through a multifunctional connection port that will interface with a wide variety of digital devices that have become almost transparent to the user (that's my opinion, your mileage will vary, please surf responsibly).
For that to all come together, order must come out of chaos and I doubt that the nature of Android as we know it will make the cut in the long run. Open Source is a great idea but only if there is order imposed on it.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 01:40 PM
Why are you blatantly ignoring the Nook *TABLET*? Your statements about the Nook are true only if you are talking about the Nook *READER*, which of course is not a tablet. But the Nook tablet does everything the Kindle Fire does, it sells for the exact same price (or $50 more if you choose the 16GB version) and, more importantly, it is NOT a "less-capable machine": It has the same amount of RAM (twice in the 16GB version), internal storage can be expanded by up to 32GB (the Kindle Fire has 8GB and it can't be expanded), it has a hardware volume control (Kindle Fire doesn't). How does all that make the Nook a "less-capable macchine"???
