[dbtinc]

ahthurungnone, on 04 May 2012 - 04:28 AM, said:

Easy of Use and Price are huge factors on a smartphone. Android and iOS are extremely outdated operating systems. Watch out! When Win8 releases and is fully integrated with MS' mobile OS, Android and Apple will be in trouble.

I always enjoy a good laugh first thing in the morning - thanks for providing it.

[Q8unm]

Come on guys, its just a PHONE.

[Q8unm]

Its just a PHONE. But people make it look like its what their lives depend on it. People in the phone design department are laughing.

[QUADICON]

dbtinc, on 04 May 2012 - 05:24 AM, said:

ahthurungnone, on 04 May 2012 - 04:28 AM, said:

Easy of Use and Price are huge factors on a smartphone. Android and iOS are extremely outdated operating systems. Watch out! When Win8 releases and is fully integrated with MS' mobile OS, Android and Apple will be in trouble.

I always enjoy a good laugh first thing in the morning - thanks for providing it.

Yeah keep laughing. People laughed at Android too. But its activating almost 800,000 devices per month. Like they say, he who laughs last, laughs the hardest.

I agree with the poster that once Windows 8 hits the devices, it will sell more. I don't think anyone is looking for Windows Phone to over take iOS or Android. But I will say this, with RIM suffering a very fatal blow in just rushing to make catchup devices, if RIM gets killed, the only platform capable of doing what Blackberry does is Windows Phone and Android. Both Windows and Android are all more secure than iOS which is why both received the Federal Government's stamp of approval and iOS has not.

So just keep laughing, just like Apple laughed at Windows in the beginning. Yet Windows sells more PC's in a single year than Apple has sold in 28 years. So yeah you just keep laughing.

[QUADICON]

SidStarr, on 03 May 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

You miss the most important feature: we want our devices to seamlessly connect and update one another. That's why Apple wins.

As far as I am concerned, the device is designed around the software it came with. There is no law that says you should get a free update to the latest software.

What good is an iPhone 4 running iOS 5, if it doesn't ave all the features of the newest features along with it? Just having the latest update in name only simply isn't enough. And the iPhone 4 is certainly capable of having all the features of iPhone 4S, they were simply excluded for the sake of pushing you to buy the new device. When Android 5.0 comes out and i have the above device, I don't expect to get the new release.

What great about using platforms that are less restrictive, is if a new update is released and the carriers don't push it forward, we have options to do it ourselves. YOU DON'T. Most people could care less about phone updates. If the power up there device and it says there is anew update avail, they can opt in.

The only people who care about updates, are the losers who only watch for them because there phone is so far behind in everything else, they look for updates hoping they contain features that exist on other platforms. As long as I get updates that deal with bugs or problems that is all I need.

[KLanD]

PhillyPhan23, on 03 May 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

KLanD, on 03 May 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

JonLAvesque, on 03 May 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

This is comparing to the iphone 4S which came out in 2011 and was really more of a version designed to keep them from falling behind the competition. The real phone to compare against will be the long awaited iphone 5. Whether the iphone 5 will be better or not we don't know at this point in time. Apple hasn't come forth with any information about the upcoming iphone, however rumours say Apple will announce it in June. Let's not compare apples to oranges here. To be fair to apple, wait until after they announce the 5.

Yes, we shouldn't compare this to Apple's current model(that pretty much just came out). We should compare it to a model that doesn't exist and will probably be released in about 7 months...

Brilliant logic.

Since the iPhone 4S is the current model, thats what can and should be compared to the S3. In Europe, Samsung will enjoy 5 months of sales of the S3 vs the 4S. However, Apple is seven months into its annual refresh cycle on the iPhone (not 5 as you imply) and the delay in bringing the S3 to the US means that for US consumers, the S3 will be competing with the iPhone 5 rather quickly. So his logic is not as flawed as you think.

Until the product actually exists, the logic is flawed.

By that logic it would be unfair to compare the Ip5 with the SIII, since the SIV will be out in a few months by that time.

[michael1213]

QUADICON, on 04 May 2012 - 06:51 AM, said:

SidStarr, on 03 May 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

You miss the most important feature: we want our devices to seamlessly connect and update one another. That's why Apple wins.

As far as I am concerned, the device is designed around the software it came with. There is no law that says you should get a free update to the latest software.

What good is an iPhone 4 running iOS 5, if it doesn't ave all the features of the newest features along with it? Just having the latest update in name only simply isn't enough. And the iPhone 4 is certainly capable of having all the features of iPhone 4S, they were simply excluded for the sake of pushing you to buy the new device. When Android 5.0 comes out and i have the above device, I don't expect to get the new release.

What great about using platforms that are less restrictive, is if a new update is released and the carriers don't push it forward, we have options to do it ourselves. YOU DON'T. Most people could care less about phone updates. If the power up there device and it says there is anew update avail, they can opt in.

The only people who care about updates, are the losers who only watch for them because there phone is so far behind in everything else, they look for updates hoping they contain features that exist on other platforms. As long as I get updates that deal with bugs or problems that is all I need.

First both platforms have advantages and disadvantages. Neither is perfect. I have my preference but it is just that, my preference.

Having said that its reasonable to expect additional features. Considering a smart phone is a computer and their features are constantly evolving and growing, users have and should expect being able to upgrade them(as long as the hardware can support the features. That doesn't mean just the phone's but also the environment's hardware.)

I guess your position is that when Microsoft creates an OS for a phone that is missing a feature like cut-and-paste the owner shouldn't expect it at any time. In spite of the fact Microsoft says one will come and everyone knows that is a core feature and will need to be included in the next revision.

I don't know about you but I buy my products with the understanding of their total lifespan. I don't expect my products to remain forever static. I expect my bank to offer additional features and not limit me to when I opened my account. I expect more than just security issues in my computers to be fixed. I expect my phones features to not be obsolete after 12 months.

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QUADICON, on 04 May 2012 - 06:51 AM, said:

The only people who care about updates, are the losers who only watch for them because there phone is so far behind in everything else

I can only say what planet are you from? Why are you so judgmental and such a hater? Does it really ruin your day if someone actually likes their current phone but wants current features. That someone doesn't want to just dispose of their phone every 9-12 months so they can be "greener" or same money.

With your attitude any company you ran would have a short lifespan. You are antagonistic to consumers and basically said my way or the highway. I bet you have a kinship with the alleged words of Marie Antoinette saying "let them eat cake" in response to being told the peasants have no bread.

[JimH443]

PhilParker, on 03 May 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

I hate reviews like this that are all spec based. Japan was big on specs when the iPhone first came to Japan, and it didn't do well initially, but after people tried it, people grew to love its functionality, ease of use and how intuitive it is compared to simply looking at specs. Today, the iPhone is the extremely popular, thus putting specs on the sideline.

I've been in technology for 25 years and of all the people that I know that own Android based products, I'm stunned at how few features people use. They simply don't know how to work their phone, don't know how to put music and photos on, how to back it up, contacts and more, not to mention the huge problem what Androids are experiencing with malware and virus'. And what is even more surprising is that no one is buying apps on Android. One of the reasons is that people don't want to give up their credits cards to up to 70 download sites, thinking that they can't be trusted. It's a mess from how I see it. I'll stick to my iPhone 4, and when the 5 comes out, I'll be ready.

Don't be stunned at how few features people use. Or, if you wish ti be stunned, be stunned at how few features people NEED. One factor that I personally consider stunning is: Bloatware is considered absolutely necessary by some.

I don't buy apps for my Android. This is not due to any level of paranoia, though. It's simply because there is no NEED to buy them. Every app that I've wanted is free.

I'm happy with my Android. It does everything I want it to do, and I don't have to sign a 2 year contract to get a truly unlimited 4G LTE data plan. All I have to do is pay the flat monthly fee of $50.

[amLinh]

Not exactly, One X have 1.5 quad core processor (not 1.5 Dual Core) and 32GB internal storage, not 16

[nijaboy2]

nonseq, on 03 May 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

SamanthaJ, on 03 May 2012 - 03:35 PM, said:

PhillipLauer, on 03 May 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

WaffleMonkey, on 03 May 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

PhilParker, on 03 May 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

I hate reviews like this that are all spec based. Japan was big on specs when the iPhone first came to Japan, and it didn't do well initially, but after people tried it, people grew to love its functionality, ease of use and how intuitive it is compared to simply looking at specs. Today, the iPhone is the extremely popular, thus putting specs on the sideline.

I've been in technology for 25 years and of all the people that I know that own Android based products, I'm stunned at how few features people use. They simply don't know how to work their phone, don't know how to put music and photos on, how to back it up, contacts and more, not to mention the huge problem what Androids are experiencing with malware and virus'. And what is even more surprising is that no one is buying apps on Android. One of the reasons is that people don't want to give up their credits cards to up to 70 download sites, thinking that they can't be trusted. It's a mess from how I see it. I'll stick to my iPhone 4, and when the 5 comes out, I'll be ready.

Ease of use? Why not try WP 7. It's the easiest of the lot to use
More mindless dithering of the iSheep. Who cares what kind of phone you have. Seriously. Is this the 5th grade again? Grow up and stop being such fanboy. What does apple pay you for such ardent extremist loyalty?

Mr. Monkey, why such a hater? Apple gone done you wrong? You Mr. Monkey are the one missing the point. If a tool is powerful because it's easy to use, so millions are bought... this does not make you or anyone a sheep. It makes you productive, efficient, happy, regardless of who's brand is on it. iPhones are popular because they work with relative ease, not because they have some social mojo that compels people to buy them by the millions. If this make me a fanboy then I suppose you are the anti-fanboy. Hmmm, that's right. Reason won't work on you.

So it's okay to bash Android, and not iPhone. Interesting "reason".

It's not a question of bashing either platform. It's a question of bashing folks who have made their own choices...

Are you seriously suggesting that the following addresses the platform?

More mindless dithering of the iSheep. Who cares what kind of phone you have. Seriously. Is this the 5th grade again? Grow up and stop being such fanboy. What does apple pay you for such ardent extremist loyalty?

That is pure invective and personal attack with no substantive discussion at all. Just venom and sloganeering. In my opinion, it's NOT okay to bash people and their choices. I have been guilty of doing so and still do, to my chagrin. I'm trying to do better.

[TomMcElhenney]

KLanD, on 03 May 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

JonLAvesque, on 03 May 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

This is comparing to the iphone 4S which came out in 2011 and was really more of a version designed to keep them from falling behind the competition. The real phone to compare against will be the long awaited iphone 5. Whether the iphone 5 will be better or not we don't know at this point in time. Apple hasn't come forth with any information about the upcoming iphone, however rumours say Apple will announce it in June. Let's not compare apples to oranges here. To be fair to apple, wait until after they announce the 5.

Yes, we shouldn't compare this to Apple's current model(that pretty much just came out). We should compare it to a model that doesn't exist and will probably be released in about 7 months...

Brilliant logic.

OK Brilliant logic,

the Gs111 won't be available to US until sometime this summer?? ( as things usually go, fall probably ), iPhone 5 may well be out and available BEFORE the Gs111. Apple just keeps whats coming under wraps, as usual. Samsung is telling us NOW.. so we can WAIT until IT actually arrives!

D U H !

[Jimfzda]

Apple has fallen into the same trap they built for themselves 25 years ago. They created a market and thought what they offered was so unique that everyone would give up what they had and buy Apple. When they failed to meet demand others stepped in and made the market so big that Apple buyers became a tiny share. Today, they are trying to play the same game. They re-built their supply chain to avoid the shortages of product that cost them dearly in the past, but didn't learn the basic lesson that one company cannot possibly meet market demand. In less than three years, Apple has done it again... defined a market and then become a minority player.

[ValdoStevens]

he same one

[RobertoRecine]

SidStarr, on 03 May 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

You miss the most important feature: we want our devices to seamlessly connect and update one another. That's why Apple wins.

Yeah I can see an old person like you wanting everything done, but the younger generation has no problem doing a little work to receive some benefits, like lower cost. That's why Android wins.

[nonseq]

RobertoRecine, on 08 May 2012 - 05:21 AM, said:

SidStarr, on 03 May 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

You miss the most important feature: we want our devices to seamlessly connect and update one another. That's why Apple wins.

Yeah I can see an old person like you wanting everything done, but the younger generation has no problem doing a little work to receive some benefits, like lower cost. That's why Android wins.

Ah the exuberance of youth! Full of vim and vigor without the experience to temper their opinions. Those who want to be successful creating, marketing, and selling (not just shipping) products should take a look at Apple's model without emotion or preconceptions. Like them or loathe them Apple is incredibly successful because they put the USER first and develop products that make use of technologies that are compelling to the consumer.

Those who take a technology first approach are more top down and less egalitarian. This requires too many gatekeepers and competence thresholds to be compelling so the technology first gang seem to emulate successful products and try to overcome them with specs and features that may or may not be wanted by the majority of consumers.

It also seems to me that your take on the younger generation is overly optimistic. I hope I'm wrong but I've seen little evidence that I am.

[JimH443]

RobertoRecine, on 08 May 2012 - 05:21 AM, said:

SidStarr, on 03 May 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

You miss the most important feature: we want our devices to seamlessly connect and update one another. That's why Apple wins.

Yeah I can see an old person like you wanting everything done, but the younger generation has no problem doing a little work to receive some benefits, like lower cost. That's why Android wins.

It has little (if anything) to do with age. Personally, I have no interest in "seamless" or "update." All I want is something easy to use and inexpensive. THAT is why this old fogey has chosen Android. If I want an MP3 on my phone, I just copy it. I don't have to load a program such as iTunes (or Zune) to do it. Android follows the K.I.S.S. principle - always a selling point in my eyes.

Not that I consider Android full of seams, though. Far from it. Any file I use on my computer works just fine on my Android - and I didn't have to pay for any program to accomplish this feat. Any file that works on my phone also works on my computer. Sure, I may have to learn a new program to do this... but this old dog has absolutely no trouble learning new tricks.

[Nuke61]

WaffleMonkey, on 03 May 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

More mindless dithering of the iSheep. Who cares what kind of phone you have. Seriously. Is this the 5th grade again? Grow up and stop being such fanboy. What does apple pay you for such ardent extremist loyalty?

Ahh, the irony. Asking about 5th grade as you're name calling.

Who cares what kind of phone you have... another bit of irony:

WaffleMonkey, on 03 May 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

Rooted HTC ThunderBolt running at 2ghz with HTC Sense 3.5 32gb extra storage and free wifi hotspot and 0 issues. iWin

I really like my DInc2, and dislike this trend to ever larger phones. It's also not there yet, but approaching the point where they are all fast enough to do what most people need, like the desktop where it doesn't really matter if one is running 1.7Ghz vs another at 1.8Ghz.

[Nuke61]

Jimfzda, on 05 May 2012 - 11:35 AM, said:

They re-built their supply chain to avoid the shortages of product that cost them dearly in the past, but didn't learn the basic lesson that one company cannot possibly meet market demand. In less than three years, Apple has done it again... defined a market and then become a minority player.

A minority player? In the phone market? Are you quite SURE about that?

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For now, most of AT&T's smart-phone customers are opting for the iPhone. The Apple device made up 78 percent of the carrier's smart-phone sales in the first quarter. At Verizon, which added the iPhone to its network more recently, the product accounted for 51 percent. The company relies more on models running Android.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.co...L#ixzz1uHzQpelD

[Nuke61]

What the iPhone needs to get my business is a larger screen size, but not too big. 4", 4.1", 4.2" tops... and since 4G smartphone owners are somewhere in the single digits, they're not really behind when it comes to having 4G - but they need to make their move this year. Since the iPad now has 4G, it's almost a given that the next iPhone will have it too. Even though I live in San Diego County, an area that had one of the early roll-outs of 4G, availability of a 4G signal is still pretty spotty. All the other specs are, IMO, pretty meaningless. You either like the Apple eco-system or you don't, and if you don't, then Microsoft's phone really isn't an option for you either since they are doing pretty much what Apple is doing with iOS.

[Gibson295]

we should keep in mind that "Apple's A5 Dual core" is actually a Samsung Made Chip. So it is probably just a a dual core version of the 1ghz hummingbird or snap dragons, or even an lower clocked earlier release of the Galaxy S II's chip.