[mipa]

No keyboard, no hit with me.

[WallyDuke]

crosswordbob, on 10 May 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

RobertoRecine, on 10 May 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

If you don't believe me that most iphone users believe they already have 4G, Google it. If you challenge the burden of providing evidence should be your job. Please post here what you find. I already know the answer. I find it quite hilarious and my sense of humor added even more. Cheer up, life is beautiful...especially without an iphone!

Good day.

It's linked above: http://mashable.com/...onfusion-study/

34 < 50, as even those of 80 IQ would probably understand.

The level of confusion between HSPA (3G), HSPA+ ("4G") and LTE (4G) is almost exactly as high among Android users. This confusion, in my opinion, is much more the fault of the carriers than the cell phone manufacturers or the OS. Just thought I would help you insert Mr. Recine's foot into his own mouth, right where it belongs.

[QUADICON]

Well after waiting to get a tecnology liek 4G, that other phones have had since 2009, of course everyone with an iphone no matter how old it is, has to run out and get it.

If you own Appel stuff, they starve you for sveral years, so when they finally feed you, its such a big deal.

I've never stood in line for an Apple product, I just don't get it. I don't have to be first. I can by it later when it is readily avail. Just as I did with my iPad. I sold my 4S. I will not ever buy another iPhone. I won't need snother ipad for at least 2 years.

If I buy a new phone this year, it will be an HTC device or the Galaxy S III.

[QUADICON]

Mattvm8v, on 10 May 2012 - 02:41 AM, said:

Every iPhone that comes out is a big hit. The iPhone each year is the top selling individual smartphone. So this isn't exactly news, it's more like stating the obvious.

It would be news if there was a prediction of how much closer iOS will get to Android thanks in part to the iPhone 5.

But right now the editor is only stating the obvious. Just like it's obvious almost all of the "no" votes are from Android fanboys who vote "no" to any article that has an iDevice mentioned in it.

Or maybe it was just people who voted no because as you said in YOUR own words, the writer is only stating the obvious. I liek both Android an iOS and I didn't rate the article at all. YOU assumed it was Android fanboys who rated the "no". I guess we shoudl assume the same when its an Android article?

Let's put ti liek this...at least we dont have to wait years for existing features to show up on a device. I know not all device makers upgrade the exact same way, but on Android it doesn't take long for them to be on par. 4G for example has been avail since 2009. here we are 3 years later and MAYBE Apple will finally adopt it.

The excuse for the 4S not having it was, we LTE chips use so much battery juice, Apple is waiting for newer chips more optimized to consume less power. FACT - LTE chip will consume more power than every chip inside your device with the excapt of the CPU and GPU when under heavy load. The communication has to run all the time for you to receive calls. You don't have to wait for a better chip, you just put in a bigger battery. Just as all Android device makers have done.

[QUADICON]

nonseq, on 10 May 2012 - 06:50 AM, said:

RobertoRecine, on 10 May 2012 - 05:15 AM, said:

Most iphone users already think they have 4G.

Can you document that as true? I have many friends and colleagues with iPhone 4(S)'s and not one of them thinks they have 4G. In fact, I would wager that the percentage of iPhone 4 owners that think that they have 4G is minuscule. You denigration of iPhone users makes your arguments unpersuasive, in my opinion.

Well I am sure the users on ATT think they are using 4G. Because the latest update changes the 3G icon to 4G, even tho the device isn't using 4G.

http://news.cnet.com...vice-overnight/

By definition of TRUE 4G speed, HSPA+ is NOT 4G, nor is Verizon's LTE 4G either. And even tho the 4S can use the HSPA+ band, it doesn't not get the full speed avail on that band, because the device doesn't have the capability to achieve the speed of HSPA+ like a phone designed to be does. The 4S is limited to I think it was 12mbits or 14mbits, when the band is capped at 22mbits.

HSPA+ is rated at 168 Mbit/s and 22 Mbit/s. So the iPhone is nealy 50% slower on the band than a real HSPA+ device which woudl be significantly faster.
Thus his rant was very factual. Theer are a lot of iPhone 3G users on ATT who think they have a 4G phone and they really don't.

http://images.anandt...%20PM_575px.png

The fact is, its not a 4G device and many people think it is now, bec the 5.1 update says it is a 4G device. Thus you would be WRONG.No matter what that icons says, the 4S is NOT 4G. Its not different that APple selling a North America 4G iPad to Australia and it doesn't even work on ANY 4G network in Australia.

I have given you the proof that backs up the guys post. Now show me some facts to support your animate post against it :-)
More dtails where that picture came from - http://www.anandtech...hspa-is-real-4g

Verzion's LTE is actually faster than HSPA+ on many levels. Several videos on youtube show that Verzion's 4G and even in many cases Sprints 4G is faster than ATT. Even in those stupid Speedtest.net tests. Even tho on average they claim ATT is faster vs Verzion, all one has to do is take 2 devices liek the 4S on VZW and place it next to an ATT model and load a page and se it loads significantly faster on VZW. iPhone 4S as 4G?Iin reality it simply doesn't.

#justsayin...

So in actuallity, what the guy said is truthful. Just deoends on where you live. You UK folks should really stop commenting on what happens here in the US. We are in fact the biggest buyers of Apple products, we likely know more about them than you do on some level. #FYI

This post has been edited by QUADICON: 10 May 2012 - 11:47 AM

[TechConc]

RobertoRecine, on 10 May 2012 - 05:15 AM, said:

Most iphone users already think they have 4G. Does it really matter? Any new Apple product will have a line at the door. Most people that buy an ipone don't compare other phones, they just want an iphone. Small screen, no 4G, no Flash and no opinion etc. etc. Every time I meet a new person with an iphone I start my rating on them at 80 IQ points and they have to prove if they are ranked higher.

Of course, the irony here is that your post brings your own IQ into question here. More intelligent individuals acknowledge that different attributes of products are more important to some people than they are to others. Less intelligent individuals assume their own values must apply to everyone else and simply can't understand why that might not be the case for others.

Regarding the screen, some might prefer the higher DPI offered on the iPhone than most other phones. Some might like the fact that they can comfortably navigate with their thumb across the entire surface. By contrast, it's not unusual for some Android users to have to use two hands with their devices. Some might like the fact that it more easily fits in their pocket. For many users, they have wi-fi available to them almost always such that 4G is a nice thing but not that critical. Some users might actually appreciate to have their web pages serve up HTML5 based content and might actually appreciate not being slowed down by Flash. Some users might even acknowledge that Adobe itself has given up on Flash for mobile. Some users might appreciate the security associated with Apple's "walled garden" as opposed to rampant malware on Android. Some users might appreciate the better ecosystem associated with the iPhone... everything from hardware integration to more and better quality apps, etc. While this is not a comprehensive list by any means, it should be enough for you to consider that those who don't share your opinion with phones aren't necessarily stupid like you seem to think. Honestly, the level of both ignorance and arrogance with your post is astonishing.

[RobertoRecine]

QUADICON, on 10 May 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

nonseq, on 10 May 2012 - 06:50 AM, said:

RobertoRecine, on 10 May 2012 - 05:15 AM, said:

Most iphone users already think they have 4G.

Can you document that as true? I have many friends and colleagues with iPhone 4(S)'s and not one of them thinks they have 4G. In fact, I would wager that the percentage of iPhone 4 owners that think that they have 4G is minuscule. You denigration of iPhone users makes your arguments unpersuasive, in my opinion.

Well I am sure the users on ATT think they are using 4G. Because the latest update changes the 3G icon to 4G, even tho the device isn't using 4G.

http://news.cnet.com...vice-overnight/

By definition of TRUE 4G speed, HSPA+ is NOT 4G, nor is Verizon's LTE 4G either. And even tho the 4S can use the HSPA+ band, it doesn't not get the full speed avail on that band, because the device doesn't have the capability to achieve the speed of HSPA+ like a phone designed to be does. The 4S is limited to I think it was 12mbits or 14mbits, when the band is capped at 22mbits.

HSPA+ is rated at 168 Mbit/s and 22 Mbit/s. So the iPhone is nealy 50% slower on the band than a real HSPA+ device which woudl be significantly faster.
Thus his rant was very factual. Theer are a lot of iPhone 3G users on ATT who think they have a 4G phone and they really don't.

http://images.anandt...%20PM_575px.png

The fact is, its not a 4G device and many people think it is now, bec the 5.1 update says it is a 4G device. Thus you would be WRONG.No matter what that icons says, the 4S is NOT 4G. Its not different that APple selling a North America 4G iPad to Australia and it doesn't even work on ANY 4G network in Australia.

I have given you the proof that backs up the guys post. Now show me some facts to support your animate post against it :-)
More dtails where that picture came from - http://www.anandtech...hspa-is-real-4g

Verzion's LTE is actually faster than HSPA+ on many levels. Several videos on youtube show that Verzion's 4G and even in many cases Sprints 4G is faster than ATT. Even in those stupid Speedtest.net tests. Even tho on average they claim ATT is faster vs Verzion, all one has to do is take 2 devices liek the 4S on VZW and place it next to an ATT model and load a page and se it loads significantly faster on VZW. iPhone 4S as 4G?Iin reality it simply doesn't.

#justsayin...

So in actuallity, what the guy said is truthful. Just deoends on where you live. You UK folks should really stop commenting on what happens here in the US. We are in fact the biggest buyers of Apple products, we likely know more about them than you do on some level. #FYI

Bravo Quadicon, your IQ is definitely higher than all of us. :-)

[RobertoRecine]

TechConc, on 10 May 2012 - 11:54 AM, said:

RobertoRecine, on 10 May 2012 - 05:15 AM, said:

Most iphone users already think they have 4G. Does it really matter? Any new Apple product will have a line at the door. Most people that buy an ipone don't compare other phones, they just want an iphone. Small screen, no 4G, no Flash and no opinion etc. etc. Every time I meet a new person with an iphone I start my rating on them at 80 IQ points and they have to prove if they are ranked higher.

Of course, the irony here is that your post brings your own IQ into question here. More intelligent individuals acknowledge that different attributes of products are more important to some people than they are to others. Less intelligent individuals assume their own values must apply to everyone else and simply can't understand why that might not be the case for others.

Regarding the screen, some might prefer the higher DPI offered on the iPhone than most other phones. Some might like the fact that they can comfortably navigate with their thumb across the entire surface. By contrast, it's not unusual for some Android users to have to use two hands with their devices. Some might like the fact that it more easily fits in their pocket. For many users, they have wi-fi available to them almost always such that 4G is a nice thing but not that critical. Some users might actually appreciate to have their web pages serve up HTML5 based content and might actually appreciate not being slowed down by Flash. Some users might even acknowledge that Adobe itself has given up on Flash for mobile. Some users might appreciate the security associated with Apple's "walled garden" as opposed to rampant malware on Android. Some users might appreciate the better ecosystem associated with the iPhone... everything from hardware integration to more and better quality apps, etc. While this is not a comprehensive list by any means, it should be enough for you to consider that those who don't share your opinion with phones aren't necessarily stupid like you seem to think. Honestly, the level of both ignorance and arrogance with your post is astonishing.

Techcon, you believe what you want. I posted some funny stuff and some real stuff. I don't care what you think of me. Take it or leave it. Most iphone users believe they have 4G, PERIOD. To me that's simply hilarious.

[RobKanngiesser]

RobertoRecine, on 10 May 2012 - 05:15 AM, said:

Most iphone users already think they have 4G. Does it really matter? Any new Apple product will have a line at the door. Most people that buy an ipone don't compare other phones, they just want an iphone. Small screen, no 4G, no Flash and no opinion etc. etc. Every time I meet a new person with an iphone I start my rating on them at 80 IQ points and they have to prove if they are ranked higher.

LOL Speaking of low IQ... there is NO phone in existence that is truly 4G. Flash isn't even supported by Adobe anymore. How big does the screen need to be? Buy a tablet if you want something you need two hands to hold up.

[RobKanngiesser]

RobertoRecine, on 10 May 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

QUADICON, on 10 May 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

nonseq, on 10 May 2012 - 06:50 AM, said:

RobertoRecine, on 10 May 2012 - 05:15 AM, said:

Most iphone users already think they have 4G.

Can you document that as true? I have many friends and colleagues with iPhone 4(S)'s and not one of them thinks they have 4G. In fact, I would wager that the percentage of iPhone 4 owners that think that they have 4G is minuscule. You denigration of iPhone users makes your arguments unpersuasive, in my opinion.

Well I am sure the users on ATT think they are using 4G. Because the latest update changes the 3G icon to 4G, even tho the device isn't using 4G.

http://news.cnet.com...vice-overnight/

By definition of TRUE 4G speed, HSPA+ is NOT 4G, nor is Verizon's LTE 4G either. And even tho the 4S can use the HSPA+ band, it doesn't not get the full speed avail on that band, because the device doesn't have the capability to achieve the speed of HSPA+ like a phone designed to be does. The 4S is limited to I think it was 12mbits or 14mbits, when the band is capped at 22mbits.

HSPA+ is rated at 168 Mbit/s and 22 Mbit/s. So the iPhone is nealy 50% slower on the band than a real HSPA+ device which woudl be significantly faster.
Thus his rant was very factual. Theer are a lot of iPhone 3G users on ATT who think they have a 4G phone and they really don't.

http://images.anandt...%20PM_575px.png

The fact is, its not a 4G device and many people think it is now, bec the 5.1 update says it is a 4G device. Thus you would be WRONG.No matter what that icons says, the 4S is NOT 4G. Its not different that APple selling a North America 4G iPad to Australia and it doesn't even work on ANY 4G network in Australia.

I have given you the proof that backs up the guys post. Now show me some facts to support your animate post against it :-)
More dtails where that picture came from - http://www.anandtech...hspa-is-real-4g

Verzion's LTE is actually faster than HSPA+ on many levels. Several videos on youtube show that Verzion's 4G and even in many cases Sprints 4G is faster than ATT. Even in those stupid Speedtest.net tests. Even tho on average they claim ATT is faster vs Verzion, all one has to do is take 2 devices liek the 4S on VZW and place it next to an ATT model and load a page and se it loads significantly faster on VZW. iPhone 4S as 4G?Iin reality it simply doesn't.

#justsayin...

So in actuallity, what the guy said is truthful. Just deoends on where you live. You UK folks should really stop commenting on what happens here in the US. We are in fact the biggest buyers of Apple products, we likely know more about them than you do on some level. #FYI

Bravo Quadicon, your IQ is definitely higher than all of us. :-)

There isn't a cell phone that exists that is truly 4G. What's your point?

[TechConc]

RobertoRecine, on 10 May 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

Techcon, you believe what you want. I posted some funny stuff and some real stuff. I don't care what you think of me. Take it or leave it. Most iphone users believe they have 4G, PERIOD. To me that's simply hilarious.

What I think of you is irrelevant. I'm simply pointing out the irony of your post. That to me was quite amusing. As to those who think they're on 4G, that to is irrelevant. Those who know about and also care about being on real 4G will clearly know the difference, regardless of platform. I'm also not quite sure why you think this is something unique to iPhone users. Have you polled users of those Android phones that have 4G in their name but clearly are not 4G capable devices like those mentioned in the pictures in this thread (LG Thrill 4G, etc.)? What percentage of those users think they're on 4G also? Is that any more or less funny to you?

[Nuke61]

I'd ask why these phone users think they have 4G... maybe it's because they're being told that the have it?

Quote

ITU says LTE, WiMax and HSPA+ are now officially 4G - http://www.phonearen...ally-4G_id15435

Given that good HSPA+ download speeds are as fast as DSL or slow cable connections, frankly, I'm surprised there aren't more people who think they have a 4G wireless connection.

[Nuke61]

QUADICON, on 10 May 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

By definition of TRUE 4G speed, HSPA+ is NOT 4G, nor is Verizon's LTE 4G either. And even tho the 4S can use the HSPA+ band, it doesn't not get the full speed avail on that band, because the device doesn't have the capability to achieve the speed of HSPA+ like a phone designed to be does. The 4S is limited to I think it was 12mbits or 14mbits, when the band is capped at 22mbits.
http://images.anandt...%20PM_575px.png

Let me get this right... to prove your point that the 4S doesn't get the available speed compared to a phone designed for 4G, you show a graph of the 4S compared to phones that are called 4G right in their names, yet they all have the same graphed download speeds? Your logic is truly STUNNING!!!

LTE has a distinct advantage in latency, but raw download speeds really depend on the specific implementations and where they are in the process. Per the same Anantech article that you cited to show how well the 4S stacks up against "4G" phones
http://images.anandt...commHSPALTE.png

[QUADICON]

Nuke61, on 10 May 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

QUADICON, on 10 May 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

By definition of TRUE 4G speed, HSPA+ is NOT 4G, nor is Verizon's LTE 4G either. And even tho the 4S can use the HSPA+ band, it doesn't not get the full speed avail on that band, because the device doesn't have the capability to achieve the speed of HSPA+ like a phone designed to be does. The 4S is limited to I think it was 12mbits or 14mbits, when the band is capped at 22mbits.
http://images.anandt...%20PM_575px.png

Let me get this right... to prove your point that the 4S doesn't get the available speed compared to a phone designed for 4G, you show a graph of the 4S compared to phones that are called 4G right in their names, yet they all have the same graphed download speeds? Your logic is truly STUNNING!!!

LTE has a distinct advantage in latency, but raw download speeds really depend on the specific implementations and where they are in the process. Per the same Anantech article that you cited to show how well the 4S stacks up against "4G" phones
http://images.anandt...commHSPALTE.png

My logic is just fine. Your eyes are just blind to facts. The iPhone 4S is not a 4G phone...period. It can't be because it has a 3G radio inside... It just so happens the ATT models does support HSPA+...this is the so-called 4G on ATT. However, point one it isnt true 4G...no more than VZW LTE is. It is an improved HSPA specification that has a capped speed of 22MBits...reference Wikipedia...the iPhone 4S supports a speed up to 14.4 What ATT offers is an improved HDSPA network that is only slightly faster than their old one. It sin't 4G, it is simply improved 3G. ATT markets it as 4G just as Verzion markets LTE as 4G and by facts of the specs, none of them are a 4G phone.

In all cases, all carriers don't have a real 4G network as yet. They ahve been allowed to use it as a marketing gimmick to sell devices that in fact are maginally faster than older 3G devices.

Read about the specification. The original HSPA supports up to 14Mbits on downlinks....the improved specs supports 22Mbits. The iPhone 4S only supports 14.4 period. That means its speed isn't barely even marginal over the orginal HSPA specification. Thus the claim in support HSPA+ which is the upgraded specification dismisses it as a 4G device. And the fact it doesn't contain a 4G radio. The ATT/Verizon iPhone 4S both contain a dual band radio that supports 3G CDMA/GSM. Yes it can support the bandwith for HSPA+, but it was capped at 14.4. The fact it is just a step over 14.0 doesn't automatically make it a 4G device.


Sorry you need to read with open mind and heart and not a closed one. All the phones pictures yes support 14.4...no duh...however they are no more 4G than the 4S is....

Those are facts BRO!!! The problem with you as always and the rest is, you read to only look for what you can discredit. You don't go and read all the surrounding information.

Go read the HSPA+ specification and tell me why the iPhone 4S and many other devices ATT sells are not 4G devices, simply because they support the band.
Yeah, my car can support igh octane fuel, that doesn't mean I should use it or think its some high performance race car tho.

The guys point was, many people think the iPhone 4S is a 4G device and spec-wise as I said, it simply isn't. PERIOD. That isn't bad Nuke61, its simply the truth. We are talking about the iPhone here, we aren't talking about the other phones. The graph simply shows other phones with a 4G moniker are also not 4G. But those other phones do have a 4G radio that supports faster speeds. They are likely capped. They can however easily be uncapped with a software update. Likely the iPhone 4S can to. However since it has a 3G radio...it isnt a 4G phone.

These are the cell specs for the 4S

General

2G Network

GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900

CDMA 800 / 1900

3G Network
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100

CDMA2000 1xEV-DO

Speed - HSDPA, 14.4 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.8 Mbps

Lower than the specs for HSDPA+ which is 22Mbits


The specs are here - http://www.gsmarena....one_4s-4212.php - It doesn't support 4G...

This post has been edited by QUADICON: 10 May 2012 - 01:36 PM

[Nuke61]

QUADICON, on 10 May 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

My logic is just fine.

I have no doubt that you actually believe that, but then your "logic" also concluded that a car that had the smaller gas tank could go farther than another car on the SAME amount of gas, even when both cars got the SAME mpg.

The illogic is that you claimed the iPhone 4S had slower download speeds than those 4G phones on the SAME network even though the graph you posted showed that to be false.

When 4G actually makes it big in the U.S., the iPhone will have it. I have LTE on my iPad and even though I live in the 'burbs of San Diego, I don't get a 4G signal at my house or at work. So far it's been rare to get a 4G signal anywhere I normally travel around my home.

BTW, the ITU decides what is or isn't 4G, not you, me, or a Wikipedia article, and they decided that HPSA+ is 4G:

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ITU says LTE, WiMax and HSPA+ are now officially 4G. http://www.phonearen...ally-4G_id15435

[QUADICON]

Nuke61, on 10 May 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

QUADICON, on 10 May 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

By definition of TRUE 4G speed, HSPA+ is NOT 4G, nor is Verizon's LTE 4G either. And even tho the 4S can use the HSPA+ band, it doesn't not get the full speed avail on that band, because the device doesn't have the capability to achieve the speed of HSPA+ like a phone designed to be does. The 4S is limited to I think it was 12mbits or 14mbits, when the band is capped at 22mbits.
http://images.anandt...%20PM_575px.png

Let me get this right... to prove your point that the 4S doesn't get the available speed compared to a phone designed for 4G, you show a graph of the 4S compared to phones that are called 4G right in their names, yet they all have the same graphed download speeds? Your logic is truly STUNNING!!!

LTE has a distinct advantage in latency, but raw download speeds really depend on the specific implementations and where they are in the process. Per the same Anantech article that you cited to show how well the 4S stacks up against "4G" phones
http://images.anandt...commHSPALTE.png

I agree 100% that where you live plays a key role in speeds per my article.
My point was sherlock that you missed was simple. Many people think the iPhone 4S is a 4G phone and it isn't, no more than some other devices. Howeever, as a fact...theer are many devices that carry the 4G name that arent truly 4G. That wasn't my point. My point was in support of the guys post that many $S users think they have a 4G phone and they simply don't. All I did was prove that many will think they are bec the latest iOS update changes the icon from 3G to 4G making them think they ahve a 4G device.

Teh graph compares the device to devices on ATT's own network, which is likely capped at 14.4. I now use the Samsung Charge which has a real 4G chip inside and support Verizon's 700Mhz Class 13 specificaion for their LTE. Based on its specs, LTE is significantly faster than ATT's HSDPA+.

Again it does vary where you live and other issues. But As I always say, here in my office all the ATT users must go outside an use their phone while us VZW users don't. Our devices also work in the can, the ATT users don't. My device works in MOST elevators while ATT devices don't.

As I also stated, in most average tests, ATT seems to have an overall higher speed. However most of those tests happen in California hwer it appears ATT has it best service. But here in Chicago and in New York, ATT users always compalin their devices are slow and also have receotpion issues.

While most peopel here in the USA dog out VZW sometimes, their network as proven to be far more reliable vs ATT and even T-Mobile.

[QUADICON]

RobKanngiesser, on 10 May 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

RobertoRecine, on 10 May 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

QUADICON, on 10 May 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

nonseq, on 10 May 2012 - 06:50 AM, said:

RobertoRecine, on 10 May 2012 - 05:15 AM, said:

Most iphone users already think they have 4G.

Can you document that as true? I have many friends and colleagues with iPhone 4(S)'s and not one of them thinks they have 4G. In fact, I would wager that the percentage of iPhone 4 owners that think that they have 4G is minuscule. You denigration of iPhone users makes your arguments unpersuasive, in my opinion.

Well I am sure the users on ATT think they are using 4G. Because the latest update changes the 3G icon to 4G, even tho the device isn't using 4G.

http://news.cnet.com...vice-overnight/

By definition of TRUE 4G speed, HSPA+ is NOT 4G, nor is Verizon's LTE 4G either. And even tho the 4S can use the HSPA+ band, it doesn't not get the full speed avail on that band, because the device doesn't have the capability to achieve the speed of HSPA+ like a phone designed to be does. The 4S is limited to I think it was 12mbits or 14mbits, when the band is capped at 22mbits.

HSPA+ is rated at 168 Mbit/s and 22 Mbit/s. So the iPhone is nealy 50% slower on the band than a real HSPA+ device which woudl be significantly faster.
Thus his rant was very factual. Theer are a lot of iPhone 3G users on ATT who think they have a 4G phone and they really don't.

http://images.anandt...%20PM_575px.png

The fact is, its not a 4G device and many people think it is now, bec the 5.1 update says it is a 4G device. Thus you would be WRONG.No matter what that icons says, the 4S is NOT 4G. Its not different that APple selling a North America 4G iPad to Australia and it doesn't even work on ANY 4G network in Australia.

I have given you the proof that backs up the guys post. Now show me some facts to support your animate post against it :-)
More dtails where that picture came from - http://www.anandtech...hspa-is-real-4g

Verzion's LTE is actually faster than HSPA+ on many levels. Several videos on youtube show that Verzion's 4G and even in many cases Sprints 4G is faster than ATT. Even in those stupid Speedtest.net tests. Even tho on average they claim ATT is faster vs Verzion, all one has to do is take 2 devices liek the 4S on VZW and place it next to an ATT model and load a page and se it loads significantly faster on VZW. iPhone 4S as 4G?Iin reality it simply doesn't.

#justsayin...

So in actuallity, what the guy said is truthful. Just deoends on where you live. You UK folks should really stop commenting on what happens here in the US. We are in fact the biggest buyers of Apple products, we likely know more about them than you do on some level. #FYI

Bravo Quadicon, your IQ is definitely higher than all of us. :-)

There isn't a cell phone that exists that is truly 4G. What's your point?

My point was, a poster stated that many people with an iPhone 4S think they have a real 4G phone. Nonseg said it was false. Hwoever, if you have an AT&T branded iPhone 4S and you update it to iOS 5.1, it will change the icon from 3G to 4G. Thus those milliosn who have an iPhoen will think they have a 4G device.

[QUADICON]

Nuke61, on 10 May 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

QUADICON, on 10 May 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

My logic is just fine.

I have no doubt that you actually believe that, but then your "logic" also concluded that a car that had the smaller gas tank could go farther than another car on the SAME amount of gas, even when both cars got the SAME mpg.

The illogic is that you claimed the iPhone 4S had slower download speeds than those 4G phones on the SAME network even though the graph you posted showed that to be false.

When 4G actually makes it big in the U.S., the iPhone will have it. I have LTE on my iPad and even though I live in the 'burbs of San Diego, I don't get a 4G signal at my house or at work. So far it's been rare to get a 4G signal anywhere I normally travel around my home.

BTW, the ITU decides what is or isn't 4G, not you, me, or a Wikipedia article, and they decided that HPSA+ is 4G:

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ITU says LTE, WiMax and HSPA+ are now officially 4G. http://www.phonearen...ally-4G_id15435

Where did I make such a claim that the iPhone 4S was slower than those other devices on ATT's network?
I did state the 4S was no faster than the other devices. Those devices as well are boing called 4G and they aren't anymore 4G than the 4S is. They are the same.

My device uses LTE...I did state, that yes they all been given the ok to use 4G to tag their new slightly faster networks. I did say that...right? You can read...right? The guys you say who get to make the rules as they go? Still admit none of these specs are real 4G networks. They are all improved 3G networks.

This post has been edited by QUADICON: 10 May 2012 - 02:12 PM

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QUADICON, on 10 May 2012 - 02:03 PM, said:

My point was, a poster stated that many people with an iPhone 4S think they have a real 4G phone. Nonseg said it was false. Hwoever, if you have an AT&T branded iPhone 4S and you update it to iOS 5.1, it will change the icon from 3G to 4G. Thus those milliosn who have an iPhoen will think they have a 4G device.

You fail at reading... AGAIN.

RobertoRecine, on 10 May 2012 - 05:15 AM, said:

Most iphone users already think they have 4G.

This was demonstrated to be false back at the top of page 2 with this link: http://mashable.com/...onfusion-study/

You provide no quantitative arguments, and as such have provided no demonstration of the majority view—your posts have therefore been irrelevant.

This post has been edited by crosswordbob: 10 May 2012 - 02:14 PM

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QUADICON, on 10 May 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

Nuke61, on 10 May 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

QUADICON, on 10 May 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

My logic is just fine.

I have no doubt that you actually believe that, but then your "logic" also concluded that a car that had the smaller gas tank could go farther than another car on the SAME amount of gas, even when both cars got the SAME mpg.

The illogic is that you claimed the iPhone 4S had slower download speeds than those 4G phones on the SAME network even though the graph you posted showed that to be false.

When 4G actually makes it big in the U.S., the iPhone will have it. I have LTE on my iPad and even though I live in the 'burbs of San Diego, I don't get a 4G signal at my house or at work. So far it's been rare to get a 4G signal anywhere I normally travel around my home.

BTW, the ITU decides what is or isn't 4G, not you, me, or a Wikipedia article, and they decided that HPSA+ is 4G:

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ITU says LTE, WiMax and HSPA+ are now officially 4G. http://www.phonearen...ally-4G_id15435

Thatsi a lie. I never said a car with a smaller gas tank could go farther. What I did say, is a car with a bigger engine can go farther even tho it burns more gas because they use a bigger gas tank.

What you actually said on 29 December 2011 - 03:32 PM was the following:

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My car has a 13gallon tank vs yours at 18 gal. My car was rate at 18city and 28highway vs yours at 20/28. But in your case its going to cost your more in gas to basically get as much as I am getting. Which was my point.

See? NO IT's NOT going to cost more for my car just because it has the bigger gas tank. Why? Because it gets BETTER gas mileage than your car does. BETTER in the city, the SAME on the highway == LESS gas, not more.

Like I said, you don't get to decide what's 4G, nor do I, nor does a Wiki article. The ITU has made their decision, and they said HSPA+ meets their definition of 4G.