Mozilla's Hypocrisy: Apple Can Block Firefox, But Microsoft Can't

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Mozilla's Hypocrisy: Apple Can Block Firefox, But Microsoft Can't

#1 PCWorld

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:36 PM

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:47 PM

The difference is that in order to use iOS, you must run on Apple hardware. So essentially, when you buy Apple, you know full-well you're being locked in. With Windows RT, it is on a wide variety of hardware not produced by Microsoft.

Crap reasoning, I know. I still don't understand it.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:50 PM

Firefox hasn't even been decent in years, so meh. I switched to Google Chrome ages ago.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 01:15 PM

I didn't know that Apple has banned Firefox. Just another reason not to use the totalitarian company's products.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 03:33 PM

Great. If Mozilla sues Microsoft and not Apple, I am going to be seriously disgusted.

At any rate, Google Chrome FTW!

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 03:39 PM

preilly2, on 12 May 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

I didn't know that Apple has banned Firefox. Just another reason not to use the totalitarian company's products.

Apple haven't banned Firefox. They have stipulated that any browser running on iOS must use the WebKit rendering engine, and there are many aletrnative browsers tn the App Store that do just that. This is because allowing third-party rendering engines would require the ability for the app to flag memory in its address space as executable (in order to support JIT JavaScript compiling), and this would compromise their app sandboxing security model.

This is the same model that Microsoft are intending to apply, and I can completely understand their reasoning. I do not know why Mozilla are singling Microsoft out, though—perhaps, like someone suggested above, because Windows RT is intended to run on a wide variety of hardware and they believe this will lead to a larger long-term market than Apple's integrated hardware/OS model.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 03:41 PM

Google Chrome is a crap browser - you can't right-click images and set has wallpaper?!? - with a fraction of the plug-ins available for Firefox. Chrome if for faux hipsters who want to seem like they know something about tech, so they bash IE and FF, but haven't heard of Opera.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 04:09 PM

DirkBelig, on 12 May 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:

It's 'crap' because you can't right-click an image and set it as desktop wallpaper???

Well, I guess if you change your desktop wallpaper 80 times a day with random web content, that could be some kind of worry. I can't think of the last time I changed my wallpaper.

And what amount of scripting and plugins should a browser support? I don't think it's particularly prudent to give a web browser the keys to the kingdom. Sure, you can do 'anything' with the OS... but I'd rather not have to worry about scripting or plugins with security issues 'taking liberties' with system settings or documents outside of the browser's safe little sandbox.

But that's just me.

Criticism of Microsoft Criticism of Apple Criticism of Google

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 04:55 PM

How many android tablets run Safari? Or Internet Explorer?

Hmmmm.....

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 05:10 PM

I just lost all respect for Firefox - this is complete hypocritical BULLSHIT and these asshats need to think about how they are making themselves look to the gp right now.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 05:23 PM

DirkBelig, on 12 May 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:

I just save an image then right click and set as WP in chrome I have 5 browsers Chrome, F/F, Opera, Safari, and
IE9 x32 and x64 so actually 6 they all serve their purpose . Chrome is preferred then F/F just my preferences YMMV.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 05:27 PM

Also the numbers will be different, with iPad the numbers are huge, with WinRT the numbers will be small, so it is a real hypocrisy.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 06:13 PM

Tablet, laptop, netbook, desktop, smartphones, Macintoshes (yes, MacBooks, iMacs, Mac Minis, Mac Pro, iPhone, iPad, all of the Apple products)... What are those? Yep! These devices are all fall under the definition of "personal computers."

If you can store all your data in your device, it falls under the definition of "personal computer."

If you can install and remove applications into and out of your device, that falls under the definition of "personal computer."

If you can browse the Internet and check for e-mails, do online chatting, and any other kinds of things that you do online, that falls under a definition of "personal computer."

Above all, the method of what you can input into your device (be it a mouse, hardware keyboard, or what you touch in a screen also known as touchscreen) and what your device outputs to (be it a monitor or a printer) is irrelevant.

Perhaps the Department of Justice can take my comments into consideration when it comes to tablets, laptops, and desktops falling into the definition of "personal computers?"

I'm sorry, but I'd have to stand up for Mozilla in their side.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 07:40 PM

Evildave, on 12 May 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

DirkBelig, on 12 May 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:

Google Chrome is crap compared to Firefox if you test them equally on the same websites and same situations. For instance, Chrome is gonna be the first of the 2 browser to conflict with a website. It will be first that something doesn't work like it should. Plus on top of that Chrome's add-ons/themes still aren't on par with Firefox. They don't have an Adblocker on par with Adblock Plus. You can't move add-ons from one side of the browser to the other on Chrome like you can Firefox. I like LastPass on the left side because I got used to Roboform and that's how Roboform did things. Yet with Chrome you're stuck with everything on the right side. There also isn't an option to tinker under the hood in Chrome like with Firefox.

Really Chrome wouldn't do well if it didn't have Google's name backing it and didn't come as optional software for countless free software. It's an inferior browser that gained popularity due to the name attached to it.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 07:50 PM

iOS getting a pass on denying customers the right to have access to any browser that can fit its API for browsing should be reconsidered.

Also, search apps that fit its APIs for finding music, location, news, etc. Should be permitted. Where does Apple get off denying editorial functions that better serve user needs from an interface with its operating system.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 07:56 PM

People are local, social, mobile, and forgetful. Search functions augment personal capabilities in each of these areas and as an ensemble search accessing stuff on the Cloud is a killer app. Moreover it is a personal right to add to my stuff and move it from place to place without artificial barriers from Microsoft, Apple, Google or anyone else.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 08:48 PM

preilly2, on 12 May 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

I didn't know that Apple has banned Firefox. Just another reason not to use the totalitarian company's products.

thumbs up. It's quite a mystery to me sometimes as to why people would even put up with the all-walled environment Apple created.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 08:48 PM

ConayUK, on 12 May 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:

If it was Microsoft doing what Apple is doing, you'd be all over them. Just because it's their hardware, it's not their device once it's sold. The end user has the right to determine what they do with that device. By restricting the end user from choices other than what Apple says they can do, they are imposing a monopoly on their user. There is no reason Firefox can't run on the devices. Any program can be made to do that. It's simply Apple's policy to limit competition. That's a monopoly.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 08:54 PM

ConayUK, on 12 May 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:

Good point

. I'm a big fan of Firefox by the way. Some people are all over-hyped with Chrome for some reasons, but I have been using Firefox since way back (since version 2.xx something I can't remember), absolutely in love with the add-ons it offers. I can't even imagine browsing the web without Firefox add-ons anymore.