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[mroughton]

I think Tim might be looking at Windows 8 a bit backwards.

Windows 8 is more like forcing PCs to use an operating system written for tablets meaning PCs will be very similar to what PCs were...well...NEVER!

[compliantia]

I smell fear in that comment. Cook should be a bit scared. While MS is betting big that one OS can run on two form factors, Apple is being equally bold by rejecting this claim. Betting against conversion has not been a good bet historically. I think MS will ultimately prevail and that Apple is missing the boat here.

[wow]

I think MS beat Apple to the punch on this integration. Apple is just milking the whole iOS on their hand helds.

[wow]

I think MS beat Apple to the punch on this integration. Apple is just milking the whole iOS on their hand helds.

[CalHolfeld]

compliantia, on 31 May 2012 - 05:53 AM, said:

I smell fear in that comment. Cook should be a bit scared. While MS is betting big that one OS can run on two form factors, Apple is being equally bold by rejecting this claim. Betting against conversion has not been a good bet historically. I think MS will ultimately prevail and that Apple is missing the boat here.

It's actually rather amusing and it shows how much of a puppet to Apple Tim Cook actually is.

Have you seen OSX Lion? There is so much iOS being put into it that OSX is slowly starting to move over to becoming iOS. Apple even removed the "MAC" part from the name of the operating system. So to me all the talk Tim has to say about Win8 is simply because he has to say it...not because that's what he really thinks.

After people finally get over the 'change' factor in moving over to Win8 I think it should be a fairly big success, while my initial use of the consumer preview wasn't very fun, once I figured it out I was actually quite happy with it. It's just different so requires some learning again. Anyhow, if/when Win8 is a success you can bet that Tim Cook will come out and brag about how OSX is going away and iOS is now being used on all their devices too. Just watch...

[asdfzxcv]

Cook needs this to fail. Badly. Apple has nothing to compete with the power of Windows 8 and what it offers.

A tablet that works for touch, and then you drop it into a dock and it's a full blown PC? Yeah...Apple didn't think of that. They have nothing to compete with it.

[Zarniw0Op]

OMG! Tim Cook is actually afraid of Windows 8

[asdfzxcv]

Cook needs this to fail. Badly. Apple has nothing to compete with the power of Windows 8 and what it offers.

A tablet that works for touch, and then you drop it into a dock and it's a full blown PC? Yeah...Apple didn't think of that. They have nothing to compete with it.

[QUADICON]

Well he is entitiled to his opinion. We will see what he is saying when those Windows 8 tablets are selling in double the numbers as the iPad in less than 2 years.

What Cook doesn't seem to get is. A full mobile version of Windows that is touch capable, that can virtally do almost anythign a laptop can do on the business side, which is use full Windows, full Office, have full access to Exchange, Sharepoint and all those other enterprise applications which iOS doesn't support, and all those businessmen start buying them, we will see who is right.

The only thing I agree with is, Windows 8 with the Metro Ui skin being dropped on consumers isn't the way to go. MS should have just made this specifically for tablets, which still has a USB port for attaching physical devices that business guys usually need like a keyboard and mouse. They can easily push the Metro UI to the side and use the apps they come to know. The UI comes in handy for simple tasks like viewing media and similar.

[QUADICON]

Hmmm! Funny, Steve criticized Windows in the beginning too. "We're better than you, we have better stuff". As Bill Gates told him, "Steve, that doesn't matter."

We all know how that went. 28 years 128M computers runnign some version of Mac OS/X vs Windows running on over 1B computers worldwide.

Key Cook, you're looking at it wrong. You're being kinda superficial.

I think Windows 8 won't be a hit with typical consumers. But that isnt where Microosft makes the biggest of its money with Windows. As long as the other 65% find it useful, its going to sell.

Windows 8 on ARM for those who want a simply media consumption device similar to iPad or Android variants, will also find Windows 8 to be equal on some fronts, better on some fronts, and of course lacking on some front.

All MS has to do is stike a delicate balance.

[QUADICON]

wow, on 31 May 2012 - 06:25 AM, said:

I think MS beat Apple to the punch on this integration. Apple is just milking the whole iOS on their hand helds.

Exactly. Which is fine, because a Mac runnign iOS would be totally arse-backwards.

[42n81]

QUADICON, on 31 May 2012 - 07:00 AM, said:

Well he is entitiled to his opinion. We will see what he is saying when those Windows 8 tablets are selling in double the numbers as the iPad in less than 2 years.

What Cook doesn't seem to get is. A full mobile version of Windows that is touch capable, that can virtally do almost anythign a laptop can do on the business side, which is use full Windows, full Office, have full access to Exchange, Sharepoint and all those other enterprise applications which iOS doesn't support, and all those businessmen start buying them, we will see who is right.

Isn't that what tablet makers were trying to do 10 years ago?

[QUADICON]

asdfzxcv, on 31 May 2012 - 06:52 AM, said:

Cook needs this to fail. Badly. Apple has nothing to compete with the power of Windows 8 and what it offers.

A tablet that works for touch, and then you drop it into a dock and it's a full blown PC? Yeah...Apple didn't think of that. They have nothing to compete with it.

Agreed! Here is one better, Appel has NOTHING to compete with ANYTHING Windows. The only reason why Apple is dusting Microsoft with smartphones, is because Microsoft sat on their arse for a decade and did nothing innovative to Windows Mobile. When Windows Mobile was King, MS could have kept that solid lead. They allowed Apple to cut them, RIM to stab them and Android to handicap them.

Microsot needs thsi to work out the box. No one on this planet has ever had products that offer major success with tight integration as Microsoft has. Apple is only just learning as all they have ever had is the Mac. Microsoft has worked with integration since pretty much day one.

The only problem I see is, Microsoft has always had a history of having good ideas that were executed poorly. Vitsa was a flop not because it was a radical change from XP, but because hardware makers failed to support the platform properly to make it a success. This is why Apple prefers to make their own stuff. As long as the OEM's support the OS with very good designs, well thought out concepts, drivers are created for hardeare support and applications that require updates get them, Windows 8 will work. And since Windows 8 is built on Windows 7, there won't be much they need to do. All they have to do is support Metro on some level to make it a success.

Cook simply has the deer in the headlights look, because they were heading in that direction and Microsoft rush to beat them this time. Question, is the timing right?! Is everyone ready for the radical change in Windows. I too kinda didn't like the Metro UI on the desktop. But after playing with it using RDP on iOS and actually manipulating the UI without using a mouse, it was actually ok.

The main issue I see is, the way something work, Microsoft needs to mamke it more obvious how to access hidden panels by usingbetter onscreen cues. All a user has to do is sit with it for 30mins, and they can see how much the UI will make many things easier, and at least on the desktop they can fully disable Metro is if they want too. These are options Apple doesn't give and that is why the penetration of the Mac has been low. 128M computers sold in 28 years is sad. HP sold over 100M computers just last year by themselves.

[42n81]

QUADICON, on 31 May 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

Hmmm! Funny, Steve criticized Windows in the beginning too. "We're better than you, we have better stuff". As Bill Gates told him, "Steve, that doesn't matter."

We all know how that went. 28 years 128M computers runnign some version of Mac OS/X vs Windows running on over 1B computers worldwide.

... and Apple is now THE largest corporation in America, is growing at a rate much faster than Microsoft, is making gains not only in mobile but in personal computer and laptop sales, and is pulling in the lion's share of profits. I think it went pretty well for Apple, don't you?

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Key Cook, you're looking at it wrong. You're being kinda superficial.

I think Windows 8 won't be a hit with typical consumers. But that isnt where Microosft makes the biggest of its money with Windows. As long as the other 65% find it useful, its going to sell.

Windows 8 on ARM for those who want a simply media consumption device similar to iPad or Android variants, will also find Windows 8 to be equal on some fronts, better on some fronts, and of course lacking on some front.

All MS has to do is stike a delicate balance.

Re: "All MS has to do is stike a delicate balance."

Is that all?

Given Microsoft's past performance, Apple has very little to worry about then.

[QUADICON]

42n81, on 31 May 2012 - 07:15 AM, said:

QUADICON, on 31 May 2012 - 07:00 AM, said:

Well he is entitiled to his opinion. We will see what he is saying when those Windows 8 tablets are selling in double the numbers as the iPad in less than 2 years.

What Cook doesn't seem to get is. A full mobile version of Windows that is touch capable, that can virtally do almost anythign a laptop can do on the business side, which is use full Windows, full Office, have full access to Exchange, Sharepoint and all those other enterprise applications which iOS doesn't support, and all those businessmen start buying them, we will see who is right.

Isn't that what tablet makers were trying to do 10 years ago?

YEs. The idea was right, nbut it was executed wrong. Gates had the vision that tablets were suppose to be single plane devices sinilar to what the iPad is now. If you go back to 2000 when Gates was trying to show his vision, you will see he had concepts of single frrm factor devices.

Where the problem came in is Microsoft left the concept of the hardware to PC OEM's. They couldn't get their heads out the standard laptop configuartyion and they simply took the cheap way out. Insteadof evolving the laptop to single form factor, they simply took the screen and laid it flat to make it work as a tablet. However the issue was they were still heavy.

The other issue was simple, technology just wasn't ready. The iPAd came at a very good time. Why? Because Apple already popularized using touch centric devices via iPod Touch and iPhone. They then evolved teh idea by making the Touch bigger. Which is exact wjat Gates had already did in concept.

The reason why Microsoft ideas like Bob, WebTv and the tablet ideas failed, is because they were ideas that were poorly executed at a time when the technology available made them bad ideas. WebTv was good, what made it suck was a poor UI and a dialup cinenction that was simply to slow to make it worth it. Today webtv is better bec, we have a better understanding of UI concepts, we have internet connection that can handle mass media, and we have form factors that are thin, light and very good in design.

Timing is everything. What Microsoft needs to learn is how to evolve and idea properly. Don't rush out the door with a good idea that can't be handled by existing technoloy. This is why the Surface PC which is a good idea is not yet ready. The concept is first too costly to make, it hadn't evolved to a point where many businesses use it. It still in the specialty usage stage.

What MS could do is, take the concept of the Surface and built it into an HDTV and have it attach to your PC as an accessory. That way the cost can be low. It woudl allow for many to afford it and thus make it more popular. Then later you can push to make something big like a table top model as it is now. But by then the cost would be considerably lower.

Technology si what makes ideas fail or work. Windows 8 can work, question is; is the timing now right? I say it is because touch-centric computers have already been popularized. I just think the way MS is rushing with it could make it not work. The technology is here. As long as the PC OEM's make the right hardware, it will work. All MS has to do is make sure the software is up to par.

[crosswordbob]

QUADICON, on 31 May 2012 - 07:00 AM, said:

Well he is entitiled to his opinion. We will see what he is saying when those Windows 8 tablets are selling in double the numbers as the iPad in less than 2 years.

Wasn't that what you were saying about Android tablets 3 years ago? Oh no, you only gave it one year back then. How's that working out now?

QUADICON said:

What Cook doesn't seem to get is. A full mobile version of Windows that is touch capable, that can virtally do almost anythign a laptop can do on the business side, which is use full Windows, full Office, have full access to Exchange, Sharepoint and all those other enterprise applications which iOS doesn't support, and all those businessmen start buying them, we will see who is right.

What you don't seem to get is that busenessmen are already doing that stuff on the iPad through virtual/remote desktops.

[LordInsidious]

CEOs that talk down there competitors products seem at best bitter or at worst idiots, ask Ballmer.

[QUADICON]

42n81, on 31 May 2012 - 07:27 AM, said:

QUADICON, on 31 May 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

Hmmm! Funny, Steve criticized Windows in the beginning too. "We're better than you, we have better stuff". As Bill Gates told him, "Steve, that doesn't matter."

We all know how that went. 28 years 128M computers runnign some version of Mac OS/X vs Windows running on over 1B computers worldwide.

... and Apple is now THE largest corporation in America, is growing at a rate much faster than Microsoft, is making gains not only in mobile but in personal computer and laptop sales, and is pulling in the lion's share of profits. I think it went pretty well for Apple, don't you?

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Key Cook, you're looking at it wrong. You're being kinda superficial.

I think Windows 8 won't be a hit with typical consumers. But that isnt where Microosft makes the biggest of its money with Windows. As long as the other 65% find it useful, its going to sell.

Windows 8 on ARM for those who want a simply media consumption device similar to iPad or Android variants, will also find Windows 8 to be equal on some fronts, better on some fronts, and of course lacking on some front.

All MS has to do is stike a delicate balance.

Re: "All MS has to do is stike a delicate balance."

Is that all?

Given Microsoft's past performance, Apple has very little to worry about then.

Apple being the largest corp in money mens what? That has NEVER meant nothing. What you fans dont seem to get is simply. Money can't buy you everything. Windows is basically a part of computers period. Unlike other offerings, Microosft has a technology that is hard to beat. Their business model hasn't been beaten in 3 decades. Microsoft is still making their money off the same exact software that won them their existance. Apple yes still makes computers, but the one that stared them isnt the money make.

Mobile devices are the hot fad now, how long you think this is going to last? Desktops of some kind will always be needed. Mobile devices will also always be needed. MS is the first to offer a uniform platform that covers the 3 main usages of computers. No one else has that.

Laptops sales? Thats all Apple makes is laptops. They dont even make a desktop. The iMac is just a alptop with a stand. Companies dont want them because, they arent as easy to service as PC's they get from other OEM's. Apple sells a lot of laptops because that si the cheapest thing they sell for a computer. The Mac Pro is not a consumer level computer. So what else from Apple is worth buying? An iMac? Nahhhh. Most people and business dont like AIO computers. When you go to business what types of computers do you see? Towers and laptops.

What you also dont consider with money is, how many times has Microsoft split their stock to make it more affordable. Apple has room for growth because they been at the bottom most of their existance. Apple has NEVER had a product that had such high market penetration. Windows basically shot up to the very top in 5 years. When you have 90% of the market alreayd, there isn't much room for profit or big money. They already make big money.

Bill Gates has over 55B dollars? Does Steve Jobs have that kind of money? What about Cook?
How many counties are Apple's products available in? Now how many countires are Microsoft products are avail in?

If things were to radical change tomorrow, which product would be obsolete right away?
You do understand market vailue...right? Any company can make a lot of money at one time. How long can they sustain such? Apple has to continue to make new stuff or they will die. Apple can't even compete with MS in the desktop computer business, they dont sell enough software to compete either. All they ahve is little toys that come an go. Windows runs the world. Name an APpleproduct that runs the world. The US Government has ok'd Windows and Android to received its stamp of approval as being secure enough to use by their employees. The only other company to get such? RIM. Did Appel receive such? NO!!!

Again your last resort is always comparing money. Look at history man. All the companies who got up to the top with money have all fallen on their faces. Ask Sears, ask Walgreens, ask Best Buy and many others what happened to their kingship.

Apple always says how PC's are a dying breed. What Apple seems to forget, is because their PC's have the lowest market penetration they will died first. And all that money they ahve isn't going to save it either.

Its easy to make a lot of money when you make devices for $200 and sell them for $800. Its easy to make a lot of money off a PC that cost you $500 to make, but you sell it for $1500 or more.

MS makes money from licensing Windows, not selling it. If MS sold Windows they would go out of business. They develop an OS for $10M and license it and make $500M. For a pice of software burned to a piece of plastic that cost less than a buck to make.

What you shoudl be comparing is not mpney, but which product can survive and evolve with constant changing trends. Windows has survive much more changes than iOS will ever be able to do. Smartphones are selling because carriers are pushing peopel from flip phones to smartphones. Once that gap is filled, whats next? As will any fad they stabilize and start to fall. Windows hasn't fallen in a very long time.

The value of a company is measured by its success. It took Apple 28 years to finally get sucess. And you down MS who has been successful since 1985? Hmmm! I am happy for Apple, but the only sustainable product they ahve right now is iPhone. Just look at the sale snumbers. The iPad isnt going to sell in numbers as the iPhone has. Most people dont want repeat devices.

When you ahve a Windows PC, you dont need a Mac. When you have a Mac, you need Windows because the Mac as much as it cost still cnat do what Windows can. PERIOD. That is fact. The iPad is a very capabile device, but it can't do what a similar device can do running Windows.

Unix like Windows is a very versatile platform. Apple took it and niched it to a bunch of one trick ponies. Those fads dont last long.

[QUADICON]

crosswordbob, on 31 May 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

QUADICON, on 31 May 2012 - 07:00 AM, said:

Well he is entitiled to his opinion. We will see what he is saying when those Windows 8 tablets are selling in double the numbers as the iPad in less than 2 years.

Wasn't that what you were saying about Android tablets 3 years ago? Oh no, you only gave it one year back then. How's that working out now?

QUADICON said:

What Cook doesn't seem to get is. A full mobile version of Windows that is touch capable, that can virtally do almost anythign a laptop can do on the business side, which is use full Windows, full Office, have full access to Exchange, Sharepoint and all those other enterprise applications which iOS doesn't support, and all those businessmen start buying them, we will see who is right.

What you don't seem to get is that busenessmen are already doing that stuff on the iPad through virtual/remote desktops.

Virtual imitation. Not the same as using the real thing. They have to use those remote applications, because they dont a equal device that offers the same capability.

As far as tablets, iPad yes sells in high numbers, but their share of the maker is constantly falling. Who you think is filling that gap? Android. Windows will as well at some point.

You guys like to clump all of iOS devices together and only seperate them when a certain segment is winning. So you can't have it botth ways. Android is kicking Apple's butt in the mobile market. It just the smartphone are simply doing better. That's fine.


[quote]The main thing you need to know about my iPad right now is that I'm not sure where it is.

It's definitely at home, because I've stopped bringing it to work most days. I think it's next to the bed, because that's where I've been using it the most lately, to read for a couple of minutes until I get sleepy.

But I'm not positive. Because I haven't been using it that much.

The truth is, my iPad -- once the star gadget in my life -- now mostly fills in off the bench.

I used to make time just to use the iPad, because it was so fun and so new. I don't really do that anymore.

The novelty has worn off. Baseball has been in the offseason, so I haven't been streaming Cubs games to the iPad at my desk every day. And, you see, there's a new toy in my life -- a MacBook Air -- that I've been getting a lot more utility out of.

I still think the tablet is the future of the personal computer, especially for non-technical, mainstream users. (The iPad has certainly been a huge commercial hit already.) And I fully expect the iPad to get better, cheaper, more powerful, more useful, and more popular over time.

But for now, I haven't really been using it much.[/img]

I sold my 4S to get the ipad as I dont need 2 devices that do the same thing.I fone that I use it far less than my iPhone tho. At work I only get to use it when I go to the restroom and at home I use it for maybe an hour and then I put it down. Whereas my iPhone I would play with it for countless hours. Why? Because most of the apps I have were better on the smaller device vs the iapd versions. The few games that are betetr on the iPad are ones that I make suftle changes and I am done. My wife uses hers a lot because she loves word games and the bigger screen is a huge benefit. For me, the first week I was all over it and now it just sits. But I get bored with such toys very fast. The main thing I still hate, when I go online many places I go require things it doesn't support. Once WIndows comes which supports everything, that will no longer be a problem. As soon as I fine a Windows tablet I like, the iPad is going on eBay. How many iPad's you think will beat mine or follow mine when thet happens?

Surely Android tablets have been selling far slower, but they also havent offered very much on a competive front. The first slew were ugly and cheap. But now many are better like the G-tab which is one of the best selling models. The Kindle Fire because it offers content is why it is selling very higher. If they all offered such, they would do welll too. Apple has good content they have grown, but just look at the number bro. The gap between Android and Apple is nearly closed.