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[shadowamazon]

Good try, too bad it didn't take them down. How about some good ol' fashioned assassination of their scientist?

[kafantaris]

Only four countries had the technical know-how to develop the Flame virus: "Israel, the U.S., China and Russia."
Since the virus was obviously intended for Iran, we can eliminate its friends China and Russia.
This leaves only Israel and us.
Having thoroughly demonized Iran, anything we do to it has become fair game.
But there is nothing fair or right about taking another country's data. Certainly we would not want China or Russia taking our data and spreading it to 80 separate servers.
As a leader of the world community aspiring for governance through universal fairness, we can no longer afford to follow the beaten path of expediency chosen by Israel. Doing so will not only deprive us of our moral authority, but will also squander our unique opportunity to fashion a more just and fair world.

[dilip11860]

Political propaganda ...
It's an election year, consider the source.

[JohnathanWright4urb]

kafantaris, on 01 June 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

Only four countries had the technical know-how to develop the Flame virus: "Israel, the U.S., China and Russia."
Since the virus was obviously intended for Iran, we can eliminate its friends China and Russia.
This leaves only Israel and us.
Having thoroughly demonized Iran, anything we do to it has become fair game.
But there is nothing fair or right about taking another country's data. Certainly we would not want China or Russia taking our data and spreading it to 80 separate servers.
As a leader of the world community aspiring for governance through universal fairness, we can no longer afford to follow the beaten path of expediency chosen by Israel. Doing so will not only deprive us of our moral authority, but will also squander our unique opportunity to fashion a more just and fair world.

Good thing people like you did not exist in the military or White House during World War II. I fear we would all be speaking German or Japanese. Sorry to inform you that your globalist peace and love view of the world and desire to create utopia will never happen. Not because I and others of like mind don't want that. But, because human nature will never allow for such a world to be created. Sure every now and then in isolated cases there may be peace between factions, nations, races or other groups. But there will never be complete peace and love between all people at the same time. The differences between us all will always create some inequalities, some animosity, some level of envy or hatred that bubbles up in the form of distrust, fear, war or other symptoms. And finally, let us not forget that the most evil of all motivations that prevent peace from ever being sustained is the motivation of power. As long as there are men and women in this world (regardless of the nation or group they represent) that want to seek out ways to control the weaker, less powerful, poor and uninformed members of society (i.e. Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Che, Bin Laden, Saddam, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Hugo Chavez, Castro, Lenin, Marx, Napoleon and others...) there will NEVER be peace. And because of this fact and those types of people whenever there is a threat to our way of life here in the sovereign republic of the United States we are compelled to act in our best interest and the interest of our allies. Anything short of this action is violation of common sense.

[hiboy]

So why would anyone in the US government even admit to this and open the door for other country's justifications to attack us; other than for political purposes - like burnishing your foreign policy creditials for an election, regardless of the fallout for the nation????

[oldschoolh4ck3r]

We bitch and moan about all of the 'cybersecurity' we need but yet we turn around and do this kind of thing. Total hypocrisy.

[TPBGirl]

dilip11860, on 01 June 2012 - 07:59 AM, said:

Political propaganda ...
It's an election year, consider the source.

Isn't it funny how all the "leaks" are popping up in an election year? Sounds like Barry is scared of NOT being reelected
He will of course blame "Bush" if this goes nuts again on the internet lol

[deepsand]

shadowamazon, on 01 June 2012 - 06:57 AM, said:

Good try, too bad it didn't take them down. How about some good ol' fashioned assassination of their scientist?

It did its job, which was to wreck irreplaceable centrifuges of a certain type.

[deepsand]

kafantaris, on 01 June 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

Only four countries had the technical know-how to develop the Flame virus: "Israel, the U.S., China and Russia."

You seem to have mistaken Flame for Stuxnet.

[deepsand]

dilip11860, on 01 June 2012 - 07:59 AM, said:

Political propaganda ...
It's an election year, consider the source.

Following your directive, we need to consider the source of your claim as well.

What have you to offer to substantiate the claim that the revelation in question is no more than fiction?

[deepsand]

hiboy, on 01 June 2012 - 12:30 PM, said:

So why would anyone in the US government even admit to this ... other than for political purposes

The article reads "The Times, quoting anonymous sources, reported that ... ." From this it cannot be determined what information was "leaked" by who and for what reason.

hiboy, on 01 June 2012 - 12:30 PM, said:

...and open the door for other country's justifications to attack us ...

Since when has it been the case that all attacks of any form have been simply retaliatory ones? Or, that the US has not already been the target of numerous cyber-attacks?

hiboy, on 01 June 2012 - 12:30 PM, said:

... regardless of the fallout for the nation????

Given that it was already known that only the US and Israel collectively had the means, which included centrifuges of the type attacked, and motivation for developing Stuxnet, any "fallout" had already begun.

[deepsand]

oldschoolh4ck3r, on 01 June 2012 - 01:13 PM, said:

We bitch and moan about all of the 'cybersecurity' we need but yet we turn around and do this kind of thing. Total hypocrisy.

It is not hypocritical to lament the need for doing that which is undesirable in the ideal.

[deepsand]

TPBGirl, on 01 June 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

dilip11860, on 01 June 2012 - 07:59 AM, said:

Political propaganda ...
It's an election year, consider the source.

Isn't it funny how all the "leaks" are popping up in an election year? Sounds like Barry is scared of NOT being reelected

And, is it not even more funny that one should be so blind to the past as to portray such leaks as being a newly appeared phenomenon.

TPBGirl, on 01 June 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

He will of course blame "Bush" if this goes nuts again on the internet

"nuts again on the internet?"

[JordanCronk]

Wouldn't that be terms to be arrested and tried? It's illegal for wikileaks and anonymous but not Obama? Oh, but pardon him... I'm not interested in how dangerous Iran is to our future. By treating them this way, we are securing the danger for the future.

Way to go, Obama. Which program are you apart of again? Operation: secure petroleum?

[deepsand]

JordanCronk, on 02 June 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

Wouldn't that be terms to be arrested and tried? It's illegal for wikileaks and anonymous but not Obama? Oh, but pardon him...

There is an important distinction between the acts of and the laws governing individuals and sovereign nations.

JordanCronk, on 02 June 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

I'm not interested in how dangerous Iran is to our future.

Fortunately, not all are as naive and uncaring so as to ignore material threats to their future well being.

JordanCronk, on 02 June 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

By treating them this way, we are securing the danger for the future.

To the contrary, ignoring and failing to deal with such threats in the present ensures that they will need to be met with even greater effort in the future.

JordanCronk, on 02 June 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

Way to go, Obama. Which program are you apart of again? Operation: secure petroleum?

Speculative, non-substantive, non sequitur.

[mjd420nova]

The man in the big chair gets all the blame. That's not to say he didn't encourage developers and do some recruiting for the red, white and blue. As an often quoted line from a movie . . . "Just a small price we pay for putting foot to butt for my country". If we can delay, corrupt or disrupt the operations of a rogue country, we need to first be damn sure we are protected from such an attack upon our own infrastructure. Could such an attack be launched upon a chemical plant or even the air traffic control system in this country and what would the likely consequences be for such an effort. And external sources are only a small portion of what goes on within our borders. Where do we begin and is there an end.

This post has been edited by mjd420nova: 02 June 2012 - 05:41 PM