[orlbuckeye]

cwmacdougall, on 16 June 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

Apple is winning with it's products because its software is much better than Microsoft's. The latter would do much better improving its software, rather than extending its second rate abilities into hardware. Apple, on the other hand, could lose in the end, perhaps to Google, because of its insistence on controlling the whole package; that is why it lost to PCs the first time round after all...

Apple is winning because of it's hardware not it's software. Microsoft makes software for everyone else's hardware and Applcew makes software for their own hardware.

[orlbuckeye]

cwmacdougall, on 16 June 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

Apple is winning with it's products because its software is much better than Microsoft's. The latter would do much better improving its software, rather than extending its second rate abilities into hardware. Apple, on the other hand, could lose in the end, perhaps to Google, because of its insistence on controlling the whole package; that is why it lost to PCs the first time round after all...

Apple is winning because of it's hardware not it's software. Microsoft makes software for everyone else's hardware and Applcew makes software for their own hardware.

[melgross]

I expect, and hope, that this works out as well for them as their last attempt to have their own Metro based hardware solution; the Zune HD.

Oh, sorry, that didn't work out so well for them.

[melgross]

JoshBell, on 16 June 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

userb9ho, on 16 June 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

One thing is sure, any product Microsoft produces will never meet the Hype and it will be a Virus, malware,spyware. ailenware, trojan, adware MAGNET.

This is not true at all. In fact, while Windows has less and less virus problems mac has more and more. Is the XBox a Virus, malware,spyware. ailenware, trojan, adware MAGNET? I would be very excited to see a MS tablet.

That's. nonsense! Apple has had a handful of malware come out. Sometimes, they're incorrectly labeled as virus's. Meanwhile, Microsoft continues to have tens of thousands of virus's, with several major ones out right now. This will continue to be the case.

This post has been edited by melgross: 18 June 2012 - 05:27 AM

[melgross]

orlbuckeye, on 18 June 2012 - 05:10 AM, said:

userb9ho, on 16 June 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

One thing is sure, any product Microsoft produces will never meet the Hype and it will be a Virus, malware,spyware. ailenware, trojan, adware MAGNET.

I wonder if they will have Foxconn manufacture it.

Why do you find it necessary to list all of your equipment? Do we care?

This post has been edited by melgross: 18 June 2012 - 05:29 AM

[orlbuckeye]

McBeese, on 16 June 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

Strategically, I think it would be a great move for Microsoft.

Having said that, I think their main focus should be on Enterprise where they can offer the business tablet solution that everybody had hoped RIM would deliver. I have a lot of doubts about Microsoft's ability to turn out a differentiated design in the consumer space. Does anyone think Microsoft can develop a better tablet than Samsung? Does anyone think that a Galaxy Tab would be better if it ran Windows?

MS won't have to design a better device. What they need to do is deisign a device that integrates well with the business world. The mass market influence will be partially determin by the business success and the content. If MS is able to do the Microsoft store well it could be a success. Itunes was a big part of Apples success. MS will only design the device and someone else will manufacture the device and it could be OEM route or the ODM route Wistron, Quanta, Compal or Foxconn.

[BlackFirstName]

They have arrived to late. This is the common routine for a companies board that is outsourced, noone on the board even works at Microsoft!
This is a wasteful company and when they release a product its usually the end of that products lifecycle. A new more innovative product is about to be released and it will crush MSFT hopes of selling anything. They hype they involve promoting this release cost MORE than their actual development of it. Shameful as marketing gets ten times more money than development. No wonder Microsoft can not create anything, cause they do not pay their engineers fair cost of living wages. 90% of the development is outsourced on H1-B visas, no wonder than can never retain anyone. Their stock is flat for the last decade. You can make more money in your savings account than their stock.
The entire development is from non-us-citizens on H1-B visas working for the lowest wage. Which has ruined the industry and made local workers impoverished and starving taking jobs under a standard cost of living. With real estate rising, local recruits around Redmond can NOT afford gasoline to make it to work. Driving prices down and the defeat by apple has proven costly to the surrounding areas. Prices still remain what they were and rising yet wages have fallen 75% since 2008. The wages have bottomed out all the way to minimum wage, which makes it IMPOSSIBLE logically to afford food. Thousands of Microsoft employees wait in food lines and at the food banks around town as they work on projects like this. Demand better wages, and you will get quality products.

As tech companies follow the same routine, they lead by example and thousands of other major tech companies do the same. They have ruined an industry completely. Since they do not support workers rights this application hardware device will be over priced and less-quality than the already systems being sold today. Boycott Microsoft for crimes against software humanity. Demand higher wages for all tech workers.

Together we can win back our lives and save this country. We support Redmond workers and demand justice.

[Nightfox196h]

crosswordbob, on 17 June 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

Awerg, on 17 June 2012 - 03:59 AM, said:

crosswordbob, on 16 June 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

Awerg, on 16 June 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

Last summer I built a monster desktop that makes a Mac Pro look like a fisher price toy. Oh, and it cost < $2200 also. (btw, < means "less-than" for all you mac users. Although I'm sure Siri could have explained it to you.)

Wow. Aren't you l33t? Of course comparing bang/buck between a desktop and a laptop is really rather dim, so you might be better off avoiding the half-witted patronising.

I said Mac pro. Not MacBook pro. Who's the half-wit? lol Now go back to playing with siri and your steve jobs doll. lol

Typical mac user.

I don't use a Mac, idiot.

LOL, someone doesn't remember what he wrote.

"Of course comparing bang/buck between a desktop and a laptop is really rather dim"

You said, A LAPTOP, a macbook. And avoiding the issue by saying he doesn't use a Mac. Funny. So you use a rock?

[NickRusso]

davidpun said

>I cannot disagree more.
>Microsoft's core competence is
>software, not hardware

It *used* to be competent with software! Take a look at Office '07 and '10! Win 8 is shaping up to be a real DOG, incredibly worse than Vista. why change the interface *that* much after all these years?

The arbitrary changes in the Windows OS have been almost tolerable up to this point; e.g., Duh, what do they call it in Control Panel *now*? Why would I want to "pin" something to the taskbar instead of using Quick Launch? It is rapidly becoming a poorly implemented rip-off of the Mac interface, where at least you can tell quickly what's running already.

I've been using Office since Word 1.1, and and I am Master certified in Office 97. How the heck do I get to know where anything is any more? Why do I have a RIBBON that I can't customize, that takes up the space of three or four toolbars, and can't be moved around or float? Great, you can turn it off--now you can't do anything but type. IE9? Why this new file type .website? Which doesn't work when I tranfer it to a box with IE8 or earlier? What the heck good is it to unexpectly rip a tab out of the browser and create a new instance, instead of a link to the page?).

8 looks fine for tablets, but you'll never see it on my desktop or laptop unless there are MAJOR changes to accomodate long-time users.

Microsoft software is becoming increasingly irrelevant due to random, unnecessary interface modifications.

I'll probably start looking at Macs for my next desktop, running 7 in another partition or virtual machine, so I don't have to replace thousands of dollars worth of software, or buy bare and install 7.

I know I'm going to get flamed by the people who never got beyond the intermediate stages of using their software, and those who have a financial interest in promoting these changes.

[crosswordbob]

Nightfox196h, on 18 June 2012 - 07:21 AM, said:

crosswordbob, on 17 June 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

Awerg, on 17 June 2012 - 03:59 AM, said:

crosswordbob, on 16 June 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

Awerg, on 16 June 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

Last summer I built a monster desktop that makes a Mac Pro look like a fisher price toy. Oh, and it cost < $2200 also. (btw, < means "less-than" for all you mac users. Although I'm sure Siri could have explained it to you.)

Wow. Aren't you l33t? Of course comparing bang/buck between a desktop and a laptop is really rather dim, so you might be better off avoiding the half-witted patronising.

I said Mac pro. Not MacBook pro. Who's the half-wit? lol Now go back to playing with siri and your steve jobs doll. lol

Typical mac user.

I don't use a Mac, idiot.

LOL, someone doesn't remember what he wrote.

"Of course comparing bang/buck between a desktop and a laptop is really rather dim"

You said, A LAPTOP, a macbook. And avoiding the issue by saying he doesn't use a Mac. Funny. So you use a rock?

I remember fully what I wrote, and yes, I misread Mac as Macbook. However, that doesn't make me a "typical Mac user", since I do not use a Mac—I've never owned one, and only ever used them under protest. I've never liked their OSs. I use PCs.

Also, the fact that I misread something doesn't change the fact that he is a half-wit who doesn't recognise that there is more to a computer than its spec-sheet. While I don't like Macs, I do respect their hardware, and I trust his opinion of what makes a "monster" PC about as far as I could comfortably spit a rat.

This post has been edited by crosswordbob: 18 June 2012 - 08:52 AM

[waldojim]

NickRusso, on 18 June 2012 - 07:32 AM, said:

davidpun said

>I cannot disagree more.
>Microsoft's core competence is
>software, not hardware

It *used* to be competent with software! Take a look at Office '07 and '10! Win 8 is shaping up to be a real DOG, incredibly worse than Vista. why change the interface *that* much after all these years?

The arbitrary changes in the Windows OS have been almost tolerable up to this point; e.g., Duh, what do they call it in Control Panel *now*? Why would I want to "pin" something to the taskbar instead of using Quick Launch? It is rapidly becoming a poorly implemented rip-off of the Mac interface, where at least you can tell quickly what's running already.

I've been using Office since Word 1.1, and and I am Master certified in Office 97. How the heck do I get to know where anything is any more? Why do I have a RIBBON that I can't customize, that takes up the space of three or four toolbars, and can't be moved around or float? Great, you can turn it off--now you can't do anything but type. IE9? Why this new file type .website? Which doesn't work when I tranfer it to a box with IE8 or earlier? What the heck good is it to unexpectly rip a tab out of the browser and create a new instance, instead of a link to the page?).

8 looks fine for tablets, but you'll never see it on my desktop or laptop unless there are MAJOR changes to accomodate long-time users.

Microsoft software is becoming increasingly irrelevant due to random, unnecessary interface modifications.

I'll probably start looking at Macs for my next desktop, running 7 in another partition or virtual machine, so I don't have to replace thousands of dollars worth of software, or buy bare and install 7.

I know I'm going to get flamed by the people who never got beyond the intermediate stages of using their software, and those who have a financial interest in promoting these changes.

It is called evolution. Many of us that actually use Metro, and took the time to go into this with no reservations, have found the interface to be cleaner and quicker.

[waldojim]

crosswordbob, on 18 June 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

I remember fully what I wrote, and yes, I misread Mac as Macbook. However, that doesn't make me a "typical Mac user", since I do not use a Mac—I've never owned one, and only ever used them under protest. I've never liked their OSs. I use PCs.

Also, the fact that I misread something doesn't change the fact that he is a half-wit who doesn't recognise that there is more to a computer than its spec-sheet. While I don't like Macs, I do respect their hardware, and I trust his opinion of what makes a "monster" PC about as far as I could comfortably spit a rat.

I have never tried spitting a rat, what kind of distance can you achieve?

EDIT: That was a good one BTW, never heard it phrased quite like that...

This post has been edited by waldojim: 18 June 2012 - 09:24 AM

[crosswordbob]

waldojim, on 18 June 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

crosswordbob, on 18 June 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

I remember fully what I wrote, and yes, I misread Mac as Macbook. However, that doesn't make me a "typical Mac user", since I do not use a Mac—I've never owned one, and only ever used them under protest. I've never liked their OSs. I use PCs.

Also, the fact that I misread something doesn't change the fact that he is a half-wit who doesn't recognise that there is more to a computer than its spec-sheet. While I don't like Macs, I do respect their hardware, and I trust his opinion of what makes a "monster" PC about as far as I could comfortably spit a rat.

I have never tried spitting a rat, what kind of distance can you achieve?

EDIT: That was a good one BTW, never heard it phrased quite like that...

I have to credit Douglas Adams with it, but it's one that stuck with me.

[michael1213]

jacksite, on 16 June 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

userb9ho, on 16 June 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

One thing is sure, any product Microsoft produces will never meet the Hype and it will be a Virus, malware,spyware. ailenware, trojan, adware MAGNET.

Uhm, no. Only an idiot can truly get those sorts of issues. Something tells me you're one of those idiots.

Wow talk about painting with a broad brush. Did you really mean to say that? The greater idiocy in the above statement was clearly yours.

Clearly the first poster was a bit over the top. I would expect that 99.9% of computer users have had their computers infected by viruses at some point. The other .1% like you must limit themselves to stone tablets.

[compnovo]

crosswordbob, on 18 June 2012 - 10:07 AM, said:

I have to credit Douglas Adams with it, but it's one that stuck with me.

Ah, then you know the "Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything".

[iCrapple]

I said Mac pro. Not MacBook pro. Who's the half-wit? lol Now go back to playing with siri and your steve jobs doll. lol

Typical mac user.
[/quote]
I don't use a Mac, idiot.
[/quote]

LOL, someone doesn't remember what he wrote.

"Of course comparing bang/buck between a desktop and a laptop is really rather dim"

You said, A LAPTOP, a macbook. And avoiding the issue by saying he doesn't use a Mac. Funny. So you use a rock?
[/quote]
I remember fully what I wrote, and yes, I misread Mac as Macbook. However, that doesn't make me a "typical Mac user", since I do not use a Mac—I've never owned one, and only ever used them under protest. I've never liked their OSs. I use PCs.

Also, the fact that I misread something doesn't change the fact that he is a half-wit who doesn't recognise that there is more to a computer than its spec-sheet. While I don't like Macs, I do respect their hardware, and I trust his opinion of what makes a "monster" PC about as far as I could comfortably spit a rat.
[/quote]

"there is more to a computer than its spec-sheet."

lol. Ok. What's that? A shiny metal case? What more is there to a compuer?

my "Rat" build = i7 2600k (liquid cooled) OC'd 4Ghz, dual MSI GTX560ti twin frozr III (1280MB ram each) in SLI, 16GB corsiar vengence DDR3 @1600Mhz, 128gb OCZ vertex3 SSD, 6gb/s 1TB WD Caviar Black @7200 rpm (x3), 850w corsair professional series gold power supply, ASUS 12x BluRay, full tower case w/12 total HHD bays (currently using 4 of 12 bays)

Total cost $2159.74 with Win7 Pro. This was about 10 months ago, plus shipping and assembly time. Not the fastest PC by far, but by most standards this would be considered a monster build. Apple does not put this level of quality hardware into their computers. So tell me, what more is there to a computer? Aesthetics? Siri? lol Sorry to disappoint you.

Also, I'm sorry if all this confuses you. Now who again is the half-wit?

[nonseq]

iCrapple, on 18 June 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

I

lol. Ok. What's that? A shiny metal case? What more is there to a compuer?

I imagine you'll be quite successful blowing away your geek friends with your "monster" machine. All it says to me is that you are good at kits. Understanding the true power of computers, not so much. With that attitude you will be scrambling to keep up with the status quo, always a step behind the industry.

It's sad really.

[crosswordbob]

iCrapple, on 18 June 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

lol. Ok. What's that? A shiny metal case? What more is there to a compuer?

That you even need to ask that question shows your naïveté. Build quality. Display quality. Noise. Stability. Peripherals. Footprint. Support. You know - the whole package, not just the edited highlights to impress the other kids, then skimp on everything else.

iCrapple said:

Also, I'm sorry if all this confuses you.

It's not me who sounds confused

iCrapple said:

Now who again is the half-wit?

You're right - perhaps I was being over generous.

This post has been edited by crosswordbob: 18 June 2012 - 12:59 PM

[SameerNaeem]

JoshBell, on 16 June 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

userb9ho, on 16 June 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

One thing is sure, any product Microsoft produces will never meet the Hype and it will be a Virus, malware,spyware. ailenware, trojan, adware MAGNET.

This is not true at all. In fact, while Windows has less and less virus problems mac has more and more. Is the XBox a Virus, malware,spyware. ailenware, trojan, adware MAGNET? I would be very excited to see a MS tablet.

Hah. You're kidding, right? First of all, as Windows progresses, so do viruses. There's no reason why they shouldn't. They're unavoidable. Secondly, absolutely no Apple product can get any sort of viruses, malware, spyware etc., because they're not open-software, unlike Microsoft, which makes Microsoft, as well as Android, an easy target for viruses. And lastly, XBox is a friggin' console. In what world do consoles receive viruses? They are only designed to use verified software.

Also, The Surface has to have a stand at the back of the tablet because Microsoft weren't clever enough to figure out how the whole "hinge" thing works. So have fun with that load o' crap.
Good going, Microsoft. Stick to software.

[lmacc2005]

What are you talking about. Apple no longer claims their macs can't get viruses.