[imaginarynumber]

cedwardsmedia, on 25 June 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

imaginarynumber, on 25 June 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

I love the way that the new OSX BS says that you can't unintentionally download malware. Does that mean that flashback victims were irresponsibly using their MACs in the wrong way

TECHNICALLY speaking, that's the only way malware typically ends up on a machine (excepting worms). Windows users are the same way. They download a pirated copy of something that's infected, or they open an email out of ignorance. Ignorance is the #1 reason for all security breaches in the IT industry. How did Sony and others get their systems breached? Simple, they didn't think it would happen to them.

If you have an account somewhere hacked, its either because of your own ignorance, or the ignorance of the system admins who operate the servers for not taking stronger precautions to safeguard data.

Ignorance is bliss, especially for black hats.

Sorry, not sure what you point is.

Apple explicitily state that it is not possible to be infected with malware without knowing, ie. they are implying that if your machine becomes infected it is becasue you actively decided to install malware.

At what point would OSX have warned FlashBack victims that they were visiting a site that had the ability to infect their machines with no further intervention on their behalf?

[QUADICON]

deepsand, on 24 June 2012 - 11:01 AM, said:

MichaelMullins, on 24 June 2012 - 10:05 AM, said:

Apple never claimed it was immune to viruses; they said it was immune to PC viruses specifically.

Semantic nonsense.

Purposeful Ignorance, plus what you said.

This post has been edited by QUADICON: 26 June 2012 - 11:04 AM

[QUADICON]

Apple said they have 128M Mac's in usage today after 28 years. Roughly 4.5M sold per year. Really shows how small the pentration in the market really is. But we have seen how easy OS X is to exploit vs Windows. As Mac OS X pentration increases so will the issues.

I think as long as Windows still has the commanding share, and Windows is still used in businesses where valuable data is used, Windows will continu =e to have more issues.

However, as Mac pentrate into more businesses that use valuable date, its issues will also increase. Security thorugh obscurity ony works for so long. The fact mac are so easy to exploit as P2O have shown, I am surprise the increase hasn't been 100 fold. I can only assume the reason it hasn't is, Mac's aren't use in the types of busienss that have the sate hackers want to steal.

Those businesses typicaly use Windows Server or Unix/Linux Servers. They don't use X-Scale. Like the reason why? Maybe to easy to exploit. X-Serve has mostly been use by the scientific/educational community vs Windows which si used by credit card companies, the US Gov't and many other huge for profit orgs.

To be specific, mac's are immune to Windows virus. But that doesn't mean they can't be compiled to infect other platforms.

The biggest issues with Windows an viruses/malware/spyware is what sits in between the keyboard and the chair. The world is full of infections, yet there are people in this world who have never gotten sick with anything...EVER! The same can be said of Windows users. Its not about how many viruses a platform has, its how many actually succeed in infecting people.

Windows has over 1B users. Based on facts I could find, recent stats show that 1 in 5 mac's have some type of infection. Yet the Conflicker virus which is one of the worse infection listed, only hit 7M computers. That is about 0.7.

In reality when you actually look at facts and ignore purposeful ignorance from fans, you find out the picture is a lot more brighter than they have you believe.

Windows is install on over 1B KNOWN computers which INCLUDE Macs, and it install on likely half as many illegally. Potential 1.5B users run Windows and only a small magin really have issues. And since 65% of those 1B are Enterprise computers, we are speaking far less infected computers as a whole.

Again perspective changes when facts are acknowledge and ignorance is laid to rest.

The Mac IS a Personal Computer that just so happens to also run Windows. Which based on IBM's own definition, the Mac has ALWAYS been a PC. Steve and Company have long work and to market itself as being so different. In some ways the Mac is very different. But it is a PC, and now that it is x86 and runs Windows, it is just as plaqued to the same issues. Mac OS X running on a Mac may have far less issues vs Windows. But Windows on a Mac is the same as Windows on any other OEM's computer.

This post has been edited by QUADICON: 26 June 2012 - 11:10 AM

[jared889]

the apple fans always say"is not a a virus" because their lifes wouldnt have meaning if a virus infect their machines, like gee dude " you are adopted"..whatever when people think about virus they mean a program that brings havoc to their macs not the definition per se

[DannyPrice]

"It doesn't get PC viruses" that's still true - I wonder why they changed this?

[DannyPrice]

DanielBaldor, on 25 June 2012 - 10:35 AM, said:

so they're somewhat praising them for dropping the stupid "WE R INVINCIBLE!" motto they've been using ever since OSX came out.

Show me where Apple have ever claimed to be 'invincible'. You complain about 'fanboys' twisting the truth and yet you make unfounded statements like this? All they ever said was that (a) Mac OSX is immune to PC (meaning Windows) viruses, which is provably true and ( OSX is built for security, in the same way that multi-user Unix systems are designed for security from the ground up with a segregated file systems and non-root accounts for all users.

Where is the fire?

[Andydigf]

dnengel84, on 25 June 2012 - 06:28 AM, said:

deepsand, on 24 June 2012 - 11:02 AM, said:

veggiedude, on 24 June 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:

There is yet to be one OS X user to have gotten a virus in its 11 years history.

Correct; it's been many more than one.

Trojans, viruses, bots, rootkits, blah blah blah. Whether it is a virus or any other type of malware IT CAN AND WILL SCREW UP YOUR MAC. Then when you are crying to Apple that your precious MAC isn't working are you going to be worried whether or not it is termed a Trojan or virus or just realizing it is time to put antivirus on that Mac. Or anti-trojan, or anti-rootkit or whatever you want to call your anti-malware software.

Very true. I like my Apple MacBook, quite like OSX Lion too. I've never believed the strapline that Mac's were invulnerable and I've been happy to run ESET AV to keep an eye on that side of things for me.

The only correction I'd make about your comment, and I'll say it with a little bit of tongue in cheek, but if you took your infected Mac device to Apple you'd probably walk away with a brand new one and a big hole in your wallet as the 'fix' ;-)

[swccman]

Seems like my kaspersky stuff has caught trojans and viruses and warned me of URL redirection and site integrity, things my Windows machine has done for a while.

I think Kaspersky was the first software I bought for my Mac, OS X 10.7. To this day, I think my pretty unobtrusive protection, rarely makes it into top 10 cpu users on my system according to top or the apple tools, has caught and quarantined about 60 trojans and potential infections.

As a multiplatform user who has seen all OS's get penetrated hard, I don't believe any of them are virus, trojan or hack proof.

[swccman]

artzy65, on 25 June 2012 - 06:19 AM, said:

KonstantinSchubert, on 25 June 2012 - 06:08 AM, said:

"It doesn't get PC viruses" might be technically correct, though. If you define a "PC-virus" as any virus that can't infect a mac.

But Macs can pass along 'PC' viruses to Windows machines

Aren't macs also considered PC's?

My mac is a single user, multitasking desktop that just does the same work as a Windows machine, albeit at a much higher cost. My mac is my personal computer.

[thoiness]

More semantic wars with Applenauts.

It isn't a virus, it's a trojan! It's not the system, it's its users!

Whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess?

[deepsand]

DannyPrice, on 28 June 2012 - 12:57 AM, said:

"It doesn't get PC viruses" that's still true - I wonder why they changed this?

Perhaps because an Apple computer is still a Personal Computer.

But, then, had you read the thread you'd already know that.

[deepsand]

DannyPrice, on 28 June 2012 - 01:04 AM, said:

DanielBaldor, on 25 June 2012 - 10:35 AM, said:

so they're somewhat praising them for dropping the stupid "WE R INVINCIBLE!" motto they've been using ever since OSX came out.

Show me where Apple have ever claimed to be 'invincible'. You complain about 'fanboys' twisting the truth and yet you make unfounded statements like this? All they ever said was that (a) Mac OSX is immune to PC (meaning Windows) viruses, ...

Read the thread to find out why you are so very wrong.