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[TsarNikky]

Windows-8 on Holiday toys. Fine gift.

[JohnUSA]

If I was one of their partners I'll pass up this horrible new OS, never install it on any of my desktops or laptops, and wait for the better and useful Windows 7 SP2.
Windows 8 is a piece of garbage.
It should be used only on touch hardware and never on any PC with keyboard and mouse use.

[jamoore28515]

I've been using Win8 since the first preview was released and I love it. No I do not have touchscreen but I really enjoy the new features. The apps for the most part are pretty decent. News Weather sports and a large choice of each. I can even save all my favorite teams in the sports section. The only app that really sucks is the maps app. I installed Winstep to replace the taskbar so I have a start button and everything else works fine.

[MaryCryan]

JohnUSA, on 26 June 2012 - 05:48 AM, said:

If I was one of their partners I'll pass up this horrible new OS, never install it on any of my desktops or laptops, and wait for the better and useful Windows 7 SP2.
Windows 8 is a piece of garbage.
It should be used only on touch hardware and never on any PC with keyboard and mouse use.

Dunno.

I see a new device market opening up. Multi-touch interface pads, perhaps the size of a conventional mousepad, connected via USB/bluetooth to the desktop or laptop computer. Like a giant trackpad, but capable of recognizing gestures. Each 'fingertip' gets a marker on the screen, distance between the markers is scaled to fit the size of the monitor, that allows you to control elements on the desktop. Need to scroll around a document? Flick the interface like you would a touchscreen. Enlarge/shrink? Pinch motion. Rotate? Three fingers on the interface and spin. Simple, fast, easy. Want to write directly on a document or use the handwriting recognition baked into 8? Pop the stylus out of its slot and start scribbling. None of this is new, XP Tablet Edition did many of those things with the stylus in 2003 and the proliferation of touch devices shows there is a market for such an interface.

No need to abandon the keyboard, but the mouse may just have wandered into the better trap...

[xyberviri]

Personally i hate when people touch my phone and my lcd screen on my pc, i can't imagine why i want people touching the surface im looking at, monitors that are touch enabled and fingerprint resistant are expensive.

[compnovo]

MaryCryan, on 26 June 2012 - 06:05 AM, said:

JohnUSA, on 26 June 2012 - 05:48 AM, said:

If I was one of their partners I'll pass up this horrible new OS, never install it on any of my desktops or laptops, and wait for the better and useful Windows 7 SP2.
Windows 8 is a piece of garbage.
It should be used only on touch hardware and never on any PC with keyboard and mouse use.

Dunno.

I see a new device market opening up. Multi-touch interface pads, perhaps the size of a conventional mousepad, connected via USB/bluetooth to the desktop or laptop computer. Like a giant trackpad, but capable of recognizing gestures. Each 'fingertip' gets a marker on the screen, distance between the markers is scaled to fit the size of the monitor, that allows you to control elements on the desktop. Need to scroll around a document? Flick the interface like you would a touchscreen. Enlarge/shrink? Pinch motion. Rotate? Three fingers on the interface and spin. Simple, fast, easy. Want to write directly on a document or use the handwriting recognition baked into 8? Pop the stylus out of its slot and start scribbling. None of this is new, XP Tablet Edition did many of those things with the stylus in 2003 and the proliferation of touch devices shows there is a market for such an interface.

No need to abandon the keyboard, but the mouse may just have wandered into the better trap...

Mary,
I wouldn't bother replying to him. All of his posts are about how much he hates Windows 8 so I don't think you'll change his mind, he's just trolling. I wish he'd post the image of whoever is holding a gun to his head forcing him to use Win8.

[MaryCryan]

compnovo, on 26 June 2012 - 06:23 AM, said:

Mary,
I wouldn't bother replying to him. All of his posts are about how much he hates Windows 8 so I don't think you'll change his mind, he's just trolling. I wish he'd post the image of whoever is holding a gun to his head forcing him to use Win8.

Meh. It was a good place to drop a daydream. Perhaps thats what I'll do with my iPad when the Surface emerges - dissect it for its touch digitizer, build a USB interface for that hardware and write an 'app' that'll allow the iPad to be used as an input device for Windows 8....

[wth1954]

MaryCryan, on 26 June 2012 - 06:05 AM, said:

JohnUSA, on 26 June 2012 - 05:48 AM, said:

If I was one of their partners I'll pass up this horrible new OS, never install it on any of my desktops or laptops, and wait for the better and useful Windows 7 SP2.
Windows 8 is a piece of garbage.
It should be used only on touch hardware and never on any PC with keyboard and mouse use.

Dunno.

I see a new device market opening up. Multi-touch interface pads, perhaps the size of a conventional mousepad, connected via USB/bluetooth to the desktop or laptop computer. Like a giant trackpad, but capable of recognizing gestures. Each 'fingertip' gets a marker on the screen, distance between the markers is scaled to fit the size of the monitor, that allows you to control elements on the desktop. Need to scroll around a document? Flick the interface like you would a touchscreen. Enlarge/shrink? Pinch motion. Rotate? Three fingers on the interface and spin. Simple, fast, easy. Want to write directly on a document or use the handwriting recognition baked into 8? Pop the stylus out of its slot and start scribbling. None of this is new, XP Tablet Edition did many of those things with the stylus in 2003 and the proliferation of touch devices shows there is a market for such an interface.

No need to abandon the keyboard, but the mouse may just have wandered into the better trap...

That's a very interesting idea. You certainly don't want to have to hold your arm up over your desk and poke at a touch-screen monitor. It just might be the mouse that is on the bubble.

I also don't see what all the whining is about regardng W8. The tiles are smart icons similar to the icons we all had lined down the side of previous Window's screens. Hitting the Windows button on the keyboard makes it real easy to flip back and forth if desired between the Metro Start Screen and the "desktop".

[MaryCryan]

wth1954, on 26 June 2012 - 12:23 PM, said:

That's a very interesting idea. You certainly don't want to have to hold your arm up over your desk and poke at a touch-screen monitor. It just might be the mouse that is on the bubble.

I also don't see what all the whining is about regardng W8. The tiles are smart icons similar to the icons we all had lined down the side of previous Window's screens. Hitting the Windows button on the keyboard makes it real easy to flip back and forth if desired between the Metro Start Screen and the "desktop".

A *very* surface level search shows up nothing of the like on the market. I'd be happy to dump my 2D mouse (you won't be able to pry my Spacepilot from my cold, dead hands) in favor of a giant trackpad. It'd be possible to bury a small monitor under the pad to display a slaved screen, much like an ultra-thin (all it needs to be is the glass, the digitizer and the LCD/Backlight) tablet. It would need a kickstand of some sort to provide a series of angles for comfortable use, but that isn't difficult design. The *only* problem I envision with it is I'm going to stop yammering and start sketching it for a patent application...

[ChristopherBenavides9pc4]

MaryCryan, on 26 June 2012 - 06:05 AM, said:

JohnUSA, on 26 June 2012 - 05:48 AM, said:

If I was one of their partners I'll pass up this horrible new OS, never install it on any of my desktops or laptops, and wait for the better and useful Windows 7 SP2.
Windows 8 is a piece of garbage.
It should be used only on touch hardware and never on any PC with keyboard and mouse use.

Dunno.

I see a new device market opening up. Multi-touch interface pads, perhaps the size of a conventional mousepad, connected via USB/bluetooth to the desktop or laptop computer. Like a giant trackpad, but capable of recognizing gestures. Each 'fingertip' gets a marker on the screen, distance between the markers is scaled to fit the size of the monitor, that allows you to control elements on the desktop. Need to scroll around a document? Flick the interface like you would a touchscreen. Enlarge/shrink? Pinch motion. Rotate? Three fingers on the interface and spin. Simple, fast, easy. Want to write directly on a document or use the handwriting recognition baked into 8? Pop the stylus out of its slot and start scribbling. None of this is new, XP Tablet Edition did many of those things with the stylus in 2003 and the proliferation of touch devices shows there is a market for such an interface.

No need to abandon the keyboard, but the mouse may just have wandered into the better trap...

Nice concept. Sounds more like the evolution of the trackpad to me. But that isn't necessarilly a bad thing. Win8 advanced gestures does sound like a feasible next step and good at it too. One thing though, for me and anyone else who games on PC as well, this 'TrackSurface' may need time before it can come near the speed and accuracy of a good ole mouse.

I mean it would be cool if out the door the thing was smooth and accurate, but seeing how many finnicky trackpads there are out there, I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

[MaryCryan]

ChristopherBenavides9pc4, on 27 June 2012 - 01:13 AM, said:

Nice concept. Sounds more like the evolution of the trackpad to me. But that isn't necessarilly a bad thing. Win8 advanced gestures does sound like a feasible next step and good at it too. One thing though, for me and anyone else who games on PC as well, this 'TrackSurface' may need time before it can come near the speed and accuracy of a good ole mouse.

I mean it would be cool if out the door the thing was smooth and accurate, but seeing how many finnicky trackpads there are out there, I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

Hmmmmm

Well, no need to throw the mouse away. The tracksurface(?), in a USB incarnation, could include a single port for a mouse connection. When you need the mouse, use it on the tracksurface as you would a standard mousepad - no more deskspace taken up than usual. When you don't need the mouse, just set it aside. There *are* digitizers available today, but they are all either married to a pen (Wacom and Cintiq) or buried in a tablet (iPad and Android variants). Microsoft appears to have digitizer tech that works with either a stylus or touch, it would be a no-brainer for them to develop this device concurrent with and release it at the same time as 8.

A quick cruise through Newegg, Tiger Direct and Journey Ed bring up lots of stylus driven, USB connected options for ~$70, or the cost of a REALLY good mouse. Will people want to spend another bit of $ on an input device just to support an OS? If its marketed right, I think they would. OEMs are offering an upgrade to Win 8 for $15. Figure the aftermarket gets 8 for ~2x the upgrade price, thats $30. Bundle either of those two with a device at the $70 price point, and you're getting into 8 for about the same as it cost to upgrade to 7 from XP.

This post has been edited by MaryCryan: 27 June 2012 - 02:40 AM

[ScottEnoe1ka]

I using and staying with windows 7 till can afford a Apple. Well Microsoft I tried this windows 8 for monthes on one of my pcs. I am not impressed. This os makes me and vista look good. It looks like you took windows 7 and decided oh gee lets make it not work on any non touch screen device. So from a soon to be ex customer better rethink stategy or alot of us will be future Apple or Ubantu costomers.

[danstutzman]

JohnUSA, on 26 June 2012 - 05:48 AM, said:

If I was one of their partners I'll pass up this horrible new OS, never install it on any of my desktops or laptops, and wait for the better and useful Windows 7 SP2.
Windows 8 is a piece of garbage.
It should be used only on touch hardware and never on any PC with keyboard and mouse use.

Where have you seen a confirmation of W7 SP2? I did some research and I only read speculation about maybe including Thunderbolt support and being an update rollup. Plus, if you look at MS' history, once a new OS is out or getting ready to be released, the final SP is almost always just an update rollup with no new additional features. Also, the metro interface of W8 is easily disabled, returning you to a native, albeit non-Aero, W7 desktop.

[danstutzman]

ScottEnoe1ka, on 27 June 2012 - 04:32 AM, said:

I using and staying with windows 7 till can afford a Apple. Well Microsoft I tried this windows 8 for monthes on one of my pcs. I am not impressed. This os makes me and vista look good. It looks like you took windows 7 and decided oh gee lets make it not work on any non touch screen device. So from a soon to be ex customer better rethink stategy or alot of us will be future Apple or Ubantu costomers.

LOL... Apple and Ubuntu are doing the same thing as Windows. I don't know what they are calling it in OSX but in Ubuntu it's called Unity and if you think the Metro interface of W8 is bad, wait till you try Unity. From what I'm hearing the next gen iMac's are all going to be touchscreen and Ubuntu/Canonical has a new initiative called "Ubuntu on Mobile" so it's all basically a wash which leaves you with the OS that will run the applications you use. Or if you went the Ubuntu path and needed to be on 12.3 LTS, I would look at the distros that feature either KDE, Cinnamon or GnomeShell. I personally run Zorin-OS 5.2 which is 11.04 with a modified Gnome2 interface. I have Zorin-OS 6.0 beta on a VM which is built on the 12.3 LTE kernel but Unity is virtually invisible. The only problem with 12.3 is that for the first time Ubuntu requires some decent specs to run (which is why I really like 11.04 - stable and fast).

[GeorgeThree]

How over priced is it this time?

[WisdomVS]

MaryCryan, on 26 June 2012 - 06:05 AM, said:

JohnUSA, on 26 June 2012 - 05:48 AM, said:

If I was one of their partners I'll pass up this horrible new OS, never install it on any of my desktops or laptops, and wait for the better and useful Windows 7 SP2.
Windows 8 is a piece of garbage.
It should be used only on touch hardware and never on any PC with keyboard and mouse use.

Dunno.

I see a new device market opening up. Multi-touch interface pads, perhaps the size of a conventional mousepad, connected via USB/bluetooth to the desktop or laptop computer. Like a giant trackpad, but capable of recognizing gestures. Each 'fingertip' gets a marker on the screen, distance between the markers is scaled to fit the size of the monitor, that allows you to control elements on the desktop. Need to scroll around a document? Flick the interface like you would a touchscreen. Enlarge/shrink? Pinch motion. Rotate? Three fingers on the interface and spin. Simple, fast, easy. Want to write directly on a document or use the handwriting recognition baked into 8? Pop the stylus out of its slot and start scribbling. None of this is new, XP Tablet Edition did many of those things with the stylus in 2003 and the proliferation of touch devices shows there is a market for such an interface.

No need to abandon the keyboard, but the mouse may just have wandered into the better trap...

I agree, USB touch pads for PCs and laptops that want to run Win8 will be a money maker!

[WisdomVS]

danstutzman, on 27 June 2012 - 04:58 AM, said:

ScottEnoe1ka, on 27 June 2012 - 04:32 AM, said:

I using and staying with windows 7 till can afford a Apple. Well Microsoft I tried this windows 8 for monthes on one of my pcs. I am not impressed. This os makes me and vista look good. It looks like you took windows 7 and decided oh gee lets make it not work on any non touch screen device. So from a soon to be ex customer better rethink stategy or alot of us will be future Apple or Ubantu costomers.

LOL... Apple and Ubuntu are doing the same thing as Windows. I don't know what they are calling it in OSX but in Ubuntu it's called Unity and if you think the Metro interface of W8 is bad, wait till you try Unity. From what I'm hearing the next gen iMac's are all going to be touchscreen and Ubuntu/Canonical has a new initiative called "Ubuntu on Mobile" so it's all basically a wash which leaves you with the OS that will run the applications you use. Or if you went the Ubuntu path and needed to be on 12.3 LTS, I would look at the distros that feature either KDE, Cinnamon or GnomeShell. I personally run Zorin-OS 5.2 which is 11.04 with a modified Gnome2 interface. I have Zorin-OS 6.0 beta on a VM which is built on the 12.3 LTE kernel but Unity is virtually invisible. The only problem with 12.3 is that for the first time Ubuntu requires some decent specs to run (which is why I really like 11.04 - stable and fast).

Someday (perhaps sooner than most people would imagine) Android will enter the PC arena (version 2.2 already has USB mouse interfacing) and both Windows and Apple will tremble as they see their death approaching. Windows has already waited too late to get into the tablet market and iPad sales are dropping as more Android devices hit the market.

Like the ad says... "Whatever you want to do.... DROID DOES."

This post has been edited by WisdomVS: 28 June 2012 - 05:37 AM

[stevem26]

It's going to be awesome I can't wait!

[edmsing]

I want my Windows 8 now...