[davebth]

I built my own computer awhile ago. Now my friend is entering the wondrous world of pc gaming. My computer's parts are listed below.
COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 59.99
GIGABYTE GA-970A-D3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard 89.99
GIGABYTE GV-N560OC-1GI GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card 229.99
AMD FX-6100 Zambezi 3.3GHz Socket AM3+ 95W Six-Core Desktop Processor FD6100WMGUSBX 139.99
Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive 74.99
(I got all of those from NewEgg)
Corsair Vengeance Low Profile 8 GB (2x4GB) PC3-12800 1600mhz 240-Pin DDR3 Dual Channel Memory Kit SDRAM CML8GX3M2A1600C9 54.99
Corsair Enthusiast Series 650-Watt 80 Plus Bronze Certified Power Supply Compatible with Intel Core i3, i5, i7 and AMD platforms - TX650 79.99
Asus 24xDVD-RW Serial ATA Internal OEM Drive DRW-24B1ST (Black) 19.99
(I got those from Amazon)
Total cost: 749.92
My friend already has a monitor, keyboard, and mouse and whatnot so those are not a problem. The reason why I posted my build was because my computer is very good. It can run skyrim flawlessly at all high settings. He want's to build one with all of those same parts, with the exception of having a $1000 budget. Any tips for upgrading the components of this build?

[coastie65]

davebth, on 19 July 2012 - 10:49 AM, said:

I built my own computer awhile ago. Now my friend is entering the wondrous world of pc gaming. My computer's parts are listed below.
COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 59.99
GIGABYTE GA-970A-D3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard 89.99
GIGABYTE GV-N560OC-1GI GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card 229.99
AMD FX-6100 Zambezi 3.3GHz Socket AM3+ 95W Six-Core Desktop Processor FD6100WMGUSBX 139.99
Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive 74.99
(I got all of those from NewEgg)
Corsair Vengeance Low Profile 8 GB (2x4GB) PC3-12800 1600mhz 240-Pin DDR3 Dual Channel Memory Kit SDRAM CML8GX3M2A1600C9 54.99
Corsair Enthusiast Series 650-Watt 80 Plus Bronze Certified Power Supply Compatible with Intel Core i3, i5, i7 and AMD platforms - TX650 79.99
Asus 24xDVD-RW Serial ATA Internal OEM Drive DRW-24B1ST (Black) 19.99
(I got those from Amazon)
Total cost: 749.92
My friend already has a monitor, keyboard, and mouse and whatnot so those are not a problem. The reason why I posted my build was because my computer is very good. It can run skyrim flawlessly at all high settings. He want's to build one with all of those same parts, with the exception of having a $1000 budget. Any tips for upgrading the components of this build?

Hi and welcome to the forums. You could look at perhaps an ASUS Z68 ( socket 1155 ) Motherboard and Intel i5 2500k processor. I haven't checked the pricing s I am winging it here. Say the ASUS P8Z68- V Motherboard and the processor may keep you in the ballpark. I think the GSkill Ripjaws SeriesX 1600 Mhz @ 8,8,8,24 ( 2x 4Gb) is about the same pprice as what have listed.

This post has been edited by coastie65: 19 July 2012 - 05:08 PM

[LiveBrianD]

SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner SATA Model SH-222BB/BEBE - OEM $17
Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $55
Samsung by Seagate Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ/ST500DM005 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $70
SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card (11200-00-20G) $240
SeaSonic S12II 520 Bronze 520W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply $70
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM $57
Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K $230
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM $100
COOLER MASTER Hyper TX3 RR-910-HTX3-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" 92mm CPU Cooler $27
ASUS P8Z77-V LK LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS $145

That's just over the budget, at $1010.90, and should be pretty good. Another idea is to put in an SSD (if you do, get one that's at least 120-128GB, and doesn't use a Sandforce controller) instead of a hard drive, and make some components (like the mobo and CPU) cheaper. It's up to you.

[coastie65]

LiveBrianD, on 19 July 2012 - 04:14 PM, said:

SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner SATA Model SH-222BB/BEBE - OEM $17
Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $55
Samsung by Seagate Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ/ST500DM005 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $70
SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card (11200-00-20G) $240
SeaSonic S12II 520 Bronze 520W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply $70
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM $57
Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K $230
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM $100
COOLER MASTER Hyper TX3 RR-910-HTX3-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" 92mm CPU Cooler $27
ASUS P8Z77-V LK LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS $145

That's just over the budget, at $1010.90, and should be pretty good. Another idea is to put in an SSD (if you do, get one that's at least 120-128GB, and doesn't use a Sandforce controller) instead of a hard drive, and make some components (like the mobo and CPU) cheaper. It's up to you.

I went with the i5 Sandy Bridge because of 1) Price & 2) possible thermal issues with the Ivy Bridge. The Poster said that the OP liked the build nad was interesting in an upgrade with a Budget of $1000. The build was pretty good as is and I just made a few changes that would up the performance with out going overboard as you have done. Please read and understand the post before replying. The Motherboard you suggested is fine though and a good price. Not much else needed changing.

[LiveBrianD]

Yes, I read the OP's post. It sounds like he's building a new machine for his friend, and is just listing his own for reference. The 3570K is only $10 more than the 2500K at the moment ($230 vs $220), so I figured I might as well put that in. Anyway, this is just my suggestion here - for instance, why not get a cheaper DVD drive, better RAM, etc if you can?

[waldojim]

LiveBrianD, on 19 July 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

Yes, I read the OP's post. It sounds like he's building a new machine for his friend, and is just listing his own for reference. The 3570K is only $10 more than the 2500K at the moment ($230 vs $220), so I figured I might as well put that in. Anyway, this is just my suggestion here - for instance, why not get a cheaper DVD drive, better RAM, etc if you can?

1. Because you are confusing the issue.
2. Because you are sacrificing in other places. Namely the Power supply, and the case.
3. Because sometimes, quality, or aesthetics mean more than raw performance. In the case of SB VS. Ivy, heat is a real and potentially limiting issue. For $10 more, the op gains 2-3% performance gains, with very limiting thermal overhead limitations. It isn't worth it for many people.

Think more about the person you are helping, and less about your preferences. Intel offers up a clear advantage for this person. As such, the suggestion to move to the 2500K was a great one. Most people aren't going to notice a difference in ram timings on these systems, and as such I wouldn't get too worked up there either. Corsair is a safe brand to buy. It typically works well with everything.

[coastie65]

LiveBrianD, on 19 July 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

Yes, I read the OP's post. It sounds like he's building a new machine for his friend, and is just listing his own for reference. The 3570K is only $10 more than the 2500K at the moment ($230 vs $220), so I figured I might as well put that in. Anyway, this is just my suggestion here - for instance, why not get a cheaper DVD drive, better RAM, etc if you can?

Ok. I'll try to explain this so you can understand it. His friend Liked the machine that he built. Friend had $1000 to put into a build and was wondering what could be upgraded from the original build specs for a little more kick. The over all build was good and built around an AMD Processor. With that in mind, About all that was needed was to just take the same components and build around an Intel, which meant changing out the MOBO & Processor. That is what I did and nothing more as that was what he was asking. You strayed off into never never land with your answer and it was of no particular help and probably coulkd have led to problems further down the road. One other thing, I pointed out that the MOBO you suggested was fine and probably is. The thing is, the MOBO I suggested has a few more heat sinks: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131820 . Sure it is $30 more, but in my opinion worth it, as those heat sinks are important in my opinion. You are just throwing stuff out there without knowing what you are putting out. Just stuff you've seem posted here. There are some here that will go much deeper into certain things than I will, such as PSU's. I try t keep it simple with just going into total wattage and the amps on the rail(s) with a known quality PSU. The other facts are probably as important, but can be confusing to someone and probably not necessary in the scheme of things. Same with say Video Cards. You can over do it to the point of confusion. You tend to do this with your tendency to not stay with the question being asked and going off on a lark as you did here. As For the Antec 300, I know that is your personal preferance. It is a decent case, but there are many others with better airflow possibilities. There are many that cost $10 -$30 more but worth it as they are better in this area. To be honest, if I were to do a new build, it would in all likelyhood be around a socket 2011 based MOBO NOT and Ivy Bridge.

This post has been edited by coastie65: 21 July 2012 - 11:24 AM

[LiveBrianD]

He's building a new separate machine and is suggesting that it be similar to his current one because he's happy with it. If his friend can also get a good machine that's different, why not?

Also, the 300's airflow is just fine. In fact, I'm considering removing one of the 2 case fans because it simply isn't necessary.

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This post has been edited by coastie65: 21 July 2012 - 11:25 AM

[coastie65]

LiveBrianD, on 21 July 2012 - 07:41 AM, said:

He's building a new separate machine and is suggesting that it be similar to his current one because he's happy with it. If his friend can also get a good machine that's different, why not?

Also, the 300's airflow is just fine. In fact, I'm considering removing one of the 2 case fans because it simply isn't necessary.

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Yes, It is a seperate ( new ) machine, but not in the sense the person wanted a completely new build spec wise. The person was happy with the over all build, but was just looking for some possible changes to the existing build specs., NOT A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MACHINE. You obviously don't understand what he was asking, so you should not have gotten involved in the discussion. As for the case, you are consistantly recommending the Antec 300. I know you have one, but we are not here to push one product over another. Yes, I have recommended the Cooler Master 912 HAF ( that I have ) at times, depending on the situation, but not exclusively. As for your post, one it was potentially confusing to the poster and two, outside of the scope of what was asked ( as I have stated ). For that last reason alone, I probably should have removed the post. I don't like doing that and haven't as yet, but may start doing so.

This post has been edited by coastie65: 21 July 2012 - 03:59 PM

[coastie65]

davebth, on 19 July 2012 - 10:49 AM, said:

I built my own computer awhile ago. Now my friend is entering the wondrous world of pc gaming. My computer's parts are listed below.
COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 59.99
GIGABYTE GA-970A-D3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard 89.99
GIGABYTE GV-N560OC-1GI GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card 229.99
AMD FX-6100 Zambezi 3.3GHz Socket AM3+ 95W Six-Core Desktop Processor FD6100WMGUSBX 139.99
Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive 74.99
(I got all of those from NewEgg)
Corsair Vengeance Low Profile 8 GB (2x4GB) PC3-12800 1600mhz 240-Pin DDR3 Dual Channel Memory Kit SDRAM CML8GX3M2A1600C9 54.99
Corsair Enthusiast Series 650-Watt 80 Plus Bronze Certified Power Supply Compatible with Intel Core i3, i5, i7 and AMD platforms - TX650 79.99
Asus 24xDVD-RW Serial ATA Internal OEM Drive DRW-24B1ST (Black) 19.99
(I got those from Amazon)
Total cost: 749.92
My friend already has a monitor, keyboard, and mouse and whatnot so those are not a problem. The reason why I posted my build was because my computer is very good. It can run skyrim flawlessly at all high settings. He want's to build one with all of those same parts, with the exception of having a $1000 budget. Any tips for upgrading the components of this build?

This is a pretty good deal on that Video card: http://www.tigerdire...555335&csid=_61

[coastie65]

I don't like to be harsh and try not to be. I also don't like being argued with when I am trying explain the situation. Part of being a Moderator is to also make sure the responses are in line with the the requests. Fortunately that hasn't really been much of an issue due to the capable members we have around here. Unfortunately, LiveBrians response was totally out of line with what the member was asking. The member wasn't looking for a whole build, but possible improvements to the one he just built, to build one for a friend. The friend liked what he saw with the build and was not looking for a major change from that. The build itself was good and the most obvious change would have been to go from AMD to Intel and that is where I went with it. I am sorry that Brian felt he had to come in with what he did. It was unnecessary. Having said that, everyone is welcome to make suggestions should have them, but first, read and understand the original post, and then read what has already been suggested. If after having done that and you think you have something to offer then by all means do so. I have read through stuff and stepped back and moved on as it was being covered very well. You don't have to try and jump into everything on the board. Anyway, this is just a friendly little chat and nothing more. It was brought on by someone who jerked my chain one too many times earlier in the thread.

[LiveBrianD]

"He want's to build one with all of those same parts, with the exception of having a $1000 budget."
Again, this is an entirely separate machine, so there is no reason that other things have to be EXACTLY the same. But fine, if my help isn't wanted, then ok, I'll GTFO.

[coastie65]

LiveBrianD, on 21 July 2012 - 05:13 PM, said:

"He want's to build one with all of those same parts, with the exception of having a $1000 budget."
Again, this is an entirely separate machine, so there is no reason that other things have to be EXACTLY the same. But fine, if my help isn't wanted, then ok, I'll GTFO.

He has a budget of $1000 to spend, but he wants keep it close to the original build, but upgrade what can be up graded from that build. That doesn't mean he has to spend the $1000. The build was a good one, but he wanted to know what could be up graded with in the $1000 Budget. With what was there, about all that was needed was to go from AMD to Intel, which is what I did. There will a performance uptick to some degree doing that and that was the object. I don't know why you can't understand that. I gave him what he asked for and NO more, as it wasn't necessary. I have tried my best to explain it to you and you just can't seen to grasp the concept. Brian, you do have some strengths in some areas and have offered some very good advice in those areas. That's what makes these forums so good, there is always someone that has a strength somewhere to help someone. Yours seems to be in the software and apps area. I have seen you work in there and just move on when you do. In this thread, you jumped in and didn't have a clue as to what was being asked, after I had answered. You're fine, you just need to settle down some. If someone has already answered a request, read the request then CAREFULLY read through the responses before you jump in. There is no need to jump in on everything. I often read through the stuff and see that it has been answered well and move on. Sometimes, I might add something that hasn't been covered. Things do need to be kept orderly in order not to confuse the person. What you did above, was extremely confusing as it was completely outside of the question being asked. I understood what was being asked, as did wj.
You're fine. Hell, you've even helped me when I had the email problem being forwarded and then returned as undelivered ( they had shut the hacker down ). I knew it had to probably be due to forwarding, but forgot where it was until you mentioned Hotmail ( I was looking in the MSN stuff ). You were dead on on that and it in fact had been changed to foward it to annvirginia@blumail.org. Unchecked that and eleiminated the address and all has been good. I have seen other stuff you have done equaky as well. No, you do have something to offer, but you need to settle down. Remember, there are a lot of people here with a lot more experience than you have. Don't argue with them, just move on.