[PCWorld]

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[JamesVelasquez]

To comply with European laws, Apple has already introduced a 30-pin to Micro USB adaptor so that you can charge and sync iPhones with any Micro USB cable

This sounds like something the US needs too. Why the hell would anyone put anything other than a USB connector on anything that eventually connects to USB.

[TheWerewolf]

In 2012, no one needs a proprietary dock.

If Apple upgraded to a USB 3.0 client port with a micro-USB connector and supported the new high-power spec, everything - audio, video, data and power - could be done through one common and standard port.

Of course, then Apple couldn't make a killing by locking everyone into their proprietary ecosystem and sell special dongles for $30+ a pop...

[crosswordbob]

Apple could generate some goodwill and allay the irritation of an otherwise understandable change by bundling an adaptor free with new devices for a time. But I'll not hold my breath.

[JeremyYoung]

"An adapter"? Yeah, I'm going to carry "An adapter" around with me everywhere I go... No, I'll need one in my car, one in my workplace, one at home on my iMac, one on each of my chargers, one on my bedside clock radio... oh yeah, one on my Apogee Jam, one for my SD / USB card adapter...

Oh yay, it's cheaper for Apple. Whoopdeedoo. Shame about the consumer huh? It's called Externalisation of costs. Corporations do it all the time. Apple's no different.

I've yet to hear an actual benefit to this thing. Let's see how much thinner the iPhone 5 is and whether it's enough to care. Headphone jack on the bottom you say? Big Wow.

So, how bad is the Galaxy S3? After years of iPhone ownership this does feel like a kick in the nuts.

[QUADICON]

JeremyYoung, on 01 August 2012 - 07:06 AM, said:

"An adapter"? Yeah, I'm going to carry "An adapter" around with me everywhere I go... No, I'll need one in my car, one in my workplace, one at home on my iMac, one on each of my chargers, one on my bedside clock radio... oh yeah, one on my Apogee Jam, one for my SD / USB card adapter...

Oh yay, it's cheaper for Apple. Whoopdeedoo. Shame about the consumer huh? It's called Externalisation of costs. Corporations do it all the time. Apple's no different.

I've yet to hear an actual benefit to this thing. Let's see how much thinner the iPhone 5 is and whether it's enough to care. Headphone jack on the bottom you say? Big Wow.

So, how bad is the Galaxy S3? After years of iPhone ownership this does feel like a kick in the nuts.

The Galaxy S3 is an awesome device with only the HTC One X being slightly better. Even tho the screen is 4.8" it doesn't feel big at all. But I also do have fairly longer fingers. The colors are very sharp, dont appear over-saturated, and black looks balck, which is something you will NEVER get on a backlite screen. Backlite screens however are great for making "whites" stand out. I have always hated TouchWiz, but Sammy did a good hob of color blends. I like it so much, I don't even load the themes I downloaded. In fact Iremoved all but the official HTC One X theme which also looks pretty on the device.

Like the 4S, Ifind features like S-Voice to be gimmicky in natural and for the most oart fairly useless. But that is just me, Idon't buy devices for gimmicks. But most always have one. I did buy it however because it is one of the first large screen devices, I actually thought was worth the money. Though I would have strongly preferred the Galaxy S Note, Verizon doesn't seem to be getting gone. The iPhoen is so small it actually just about fits in the space ofthe csrren on the GS3. Fancy HD displays don't matter to me, if I can't see them during the times I use my phone most, which is the daytime. In this case, the iPhone and any phone with a backlite LCD is a complete failure. Hwoever at nohht, I think any HD display looks good.

Thos the pixel count on the GS3 is slightly lower than the 4S (306 vs 326), the lixels are not visible. Idid watch a video where the guy says if you hold the device about 2 inches from your eyes, you can see jagged edges. Either jis eyes ate really goo or even with contacts mine are really bad because I dont see any. S-Voice has a sexier sounding voices vs Siri...lol. S-Voice based on my experienceseem to handle phone commands very well, its the outside requests that seem to be an issue. But to be fair, the 4S Ihad was the same at first. So since S-Voice is new and 4S is nearly a year old, Apple has had time to improve the application and Samsung surely needs too. However I find typing/searchingmanually works better anyways.

Jelly Bean is expected from Samsung this month, of course no telling when carriers will fnally make it avail. However i didnt see any features in JB that I thought were worth it. Te apps I do use on Android, now look very high inquality thansk to a better screen v the Droid Charge I had.

Based on comparing the device to the iPhone 4S, the 4S biggest plus is the phone design, but it is simply to small. Once you go big, you don't go back.The iPhone 4XXL that coming out this year is still likely going to be under 4", the resolution will surely increase, but since I have an iPad, I won't even care. T international version of the SGS3 is better as it has the quadcore CPU vs the US version only haveing dualcore. Hwoever the US version has 2GB of RAM vs the other having only 1GB.

The phone is fast...VERY FAST!!!! The animation are clean and vivid and dont studder. PERIOD. Web pages load almost instantly, and unlike on iPhone even the 4S, when you scroll a loading page, you dont get blank areas. It also appears any browser Iinstall can use the Flash plugin. NICE!
The biggest downside is its all plastic. I prefer plastic for longevity as far as my clusiness, but havign an iphone has helped be try to be far more careful. I've already dropped my GS3and the plastic didnt eveb scratch. So I am happy about that. 4G is fast thanks to VZW, iPhone doesn't even have 4G yet. Haven't had a chance to use NFC yet and battery-life is reasonable. On a full charge, I usually unplug it at around 730AM or so and by the time I leave at 5PM, its lost 70% of its charge. The 4S based on my usage lasted about the same. But Ihave installed power saving apps, so when it gets below 30%, I still have 2 to 3 hours os usage before it totally dies. As long as it can last my typical work day, its fine. I always ahve my USB cord anyways.
For me I own't be buying another iPhone unless it finally changes into something woth buy.

The ans will surely be complaining that just liek the orginal iPhonewhich had 3 models which looked virtually the same, the iPhone 4 also now has 3 models that looked virtually the same, which means the next model will likely have a more drastic design. But by then the GS4 will be out and hopefull Samsung uses slightly better materials. I give the 4S a 8 out of 10 and the GS3 a 9 out of 10. It would have been perfect if it was made out of something a bit fancier. Aluminum, Magnesium, Poly-Carbonate (fancier plastic) or similar...anything but glass and the phone woudl be perfect. This is my first Galaxy S device and likely wont be the last. I have owned 5 Samsung devices and only one disappointed me. I have owned 2 iPhone's and only one disappointed me.

[QUADICON]

crosswordbob, on 01 August 2012 - 06:52 AM, said:

Apple could generate some goodwill and allay the irritation of an otherwise understandable change by bundling an adaptor free with new devices for a time. But I'll not hold my breath.

No No! Please hold it!!!! LOL.

At this point Apple shoudl just use standard cables. Their cables provide no benefit to consumers. It only benefits APple. Yea please praise them Bob for sticking with an old wide cable that doesn't offer any befeit other than be big and bulky, while every one else simply took the standard cbales and made them smaller already. USB abd HDMI went small years ago and APple is finally catching up? Somuch for leading by example. Idon't even know why Samsung even used the 30 pin open connector.

In the old days, more pins meant that data could travel faster, bec of having the benefit of bi-directional transfers. However, Apple's cable provides no benefit to have 30 pins or even 19 pins. Its just proprietary junk for APple to make money. The best cable APple coudl use is mini-HDMI. That way, when you want to off-load the video or audio from the device, you can plug it into any standard HDMI interface on your TV. BUT NO!!!! Apple rather you again buy their expensive stupid dongle for that. Of course YOU won't have a problem with that, because you have money to waste. I don't.


Standard cables are cheaper, dispite your biased post. Fot one, dependign on reseller, USB cables of "nearly" any type are cheaper than Apple's cables ad all you need is one. Some phone have both USB and HDMI so yes you have to buy 2. But, they will still be cheaper than one of Apple's cables expecially if you buy from Apple.

Now look how you ahve to bend over again. if you own a dock with the 30 pin connector, you can no longer plug your device directly in. Now you have to make room on the table to attach an adapter to plug to the dock and to your phone.

This has been the downside to proprietory products for decades. Some are certainly useful in the few instances where the specialty product serves a reasonable purpose. However in Apple's case, they simply don't. What does Apple mini-Display cable do that HDMI can't? Well, HDMI can't hook up to their monitors. Yet nearly Any Windows monitor can be used with a Mac. Amazing!

One of the thingsthat was cool about owning multiple APple devices, is if you own one and you buy anoher, I could leave the new charging cable in the box andsave it for when the older one finally gets damaged or lost or stolen or breaks. Now all those cables that have been save, are all garbage for what? No reason other thn Apple changing for change.
he only way this 19 pin connector will have any real benefit, is if it can have a cable to allow charging.data transfer via Thunderbolt. If not, then it is a useless sad properitary piece of junk and Aple making consumers spend extra money where no benefit is gained is pure BS. Fans who fall for that model after model have to truly be brainwashed and that si just my opinion.

Spending extra money is suppose to get you something better. With Apple it doesn't happen.

[Jamesajue]

Exactly.. to H*LL with its customers, they want more profit!

[crosswordbob]

Sorry, QUAD, I will not be addressing your abusive posts until you learn to read and understand other people's points, and to reply concisely and civilly. You have failed to grasp my arguments.

This post has been edited by crosswordbob: 01 August 2012 - 09:49 AM

[lorax1284]

So, essentially, Apple changed the doc connector to increase Apple's profits by reducing the cost of parts and assembly. I'm not sure how I feel about that... oh, wait, no, I'm pretty sure I disapprove.

[Nuke61]

The big advantage that the dock connector has over micro-USB is its durability, and I haven't come across any information suggesting it would be any different with a new connector. Do any of you dock a micro-USB equipped device? I have a Droid Incredible 2 and a car GPS holder for the DInc2 and even though it's MUCH newer than my wife's iPad 1, the connection is already hit and miss. When I put my phone in the cradle I have to remove it and try it again about half the time. Meanwhile, the 30-pin connector positively locks into place. I'm expecting the new connector will work the same way, or they might even go to a MagSafe style magnetic connector for a positive engagement.

Will Apple make money with a new connector? Of course they will, but it seems to me that if they thought a micro-USB solution would actually work well as a docking solution, they would take that route. If they did, they could STILL make a boatload of money by selling white Apple branded adapters to the millions of dock accessories by simply not letting anyone else make an adapter. I think the reason for the proprietary pin connector is primarily a user experience issue, done for reliability and ease of connection/disconnection.

[QUADICON]

crosswordbob, on 01 August 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

Sorry, QUAD, I will not be addressing your abusive posts until you learn to read and understand other people's points, and to reply concisely and civilly. You have failed to grasp my arguments.

What point! You didn't make one. All I said was, go ahead an holdyour breathe!. I know you were being sarcastic. I thought it was funny.
I said somethign abusive? Where?

What I told was the truth. Oh I forgot, you can't handle the truth. Here is a rude awaking for you. "I" is a very selfish letter when used as a word. PERFECT! for Apple's motto as they are selfish. A company that basically made fail products all its life, is making gobs of money on selfish products. I don't mean that in a bad way per se. What I do mean is, this. Apple changed this conenctor for what? Question, how old is mini USB and Mini HDMI? Mini USB has been avail since before iPhone even became real. Question, why did Apple adopt a clumpsy big @$$ useless cable over a small standard cable that si more practical. It's an easy anser. MONEY!!!

We all know corps are in business to make money. I have no problem with Apple making money. What I do have a problem with i this. The iPhone with its most expensive model is $899.99 retail. The devices cost them less than $200 to make PERIOD. That sis a 400%+ markup. Question, how much money wpould Apple lose if they use a standard connector? NOTHING!!!! They ost less than $1.00 to make the cable and likely less than 2.00 for the connector itself. Apple coudl still charge the exact same price for the phone and the same peopel will still buy it.

Apple woudl like have sold MORE Mac's if they stuck with standard components and not propritory BS. Look at the numbers Bob and tell I am wrong. The first Mac's were selling at roughly 400,000 per quarter. When Steve Jobs returned and made the new iMac's, Apple started selling about 1.5M per quarter. When Apple finally went Intel those sales numbers doubled to 3M per quarter. Why is it Bob, that the Intel Mac's brand new sold more per quarter than All previous Mac's prior? Bec x86 is more versatile than those properitory Sega Chips Mac's or the PPC Mac's; that why.Even tho in theory you could boot multiple OS's on 68k or PPC, no one was making an OS that did so. Thus they were not versatile vs x86 which allows you to boot as many OS's as your drive can hold.

I hit at your post when you tried to compare the cost of a mini-USB cable vs the Apple 30 pin. You went and found the cheapest seller where likely as one poster replied, those 30-pin cables dont even work. Here in the US, those cables cost about the same depending on reseller. They are about 2.30 for either the mini-USB or 30 pin. What the difference is, they wont be heavy duty and they will break at the conenction points. I know because i have bought them. I then found a reseller that actually has a heavy duty 30 pin cable and it was 7.00. But it worked and I bought 2 and its been a year and they are still clean and white and they have not torn yet.

My point was simple. Apple is about to cause a lot of pain because all these compnent makers now have to bend over and get screwed by Aple. Fact is it happens in this industry all the time...thinsg change. Hwoever most adopt standards which are cheaper to produce, have a much wider benefit. Apple steers clear of those for one main reason, Apple can't make money off standard components. And here is why they can't.

Let just choose Samsung for an example. It likely cost Samsung .01 to make a mini-USB cable based on producing well over 100M+ of them per year. That is based on how many phones come with one, plus the ones that make to be sold by themselves. Let's just say, Samsung charges .99 for the ones that come with your phone and 9.99 for the ones you buy on retail. 80% of those sold will come with the phones..so that would be 80M x .99 - Thats 79.2M...right? This versus APple who makes a cable that coss them .01 to make, but adds $19.00 to the cost of the phone, because that is how much Apple charges for the cable online so I will use that cost. So for every cable sold with a phone, Apple makes an additional 18.99 per sold with every iPad, every iPod and every iPhone. If Apple sells 150M devices this year alone, that will equal over $2.8B just in the sale of the cable itself. That doesn't even count the ones they sell stand-alone. Many iFans dont even know that as long as theya re under warranty, they can go to any Apple Store and have the cables replaced if they break or rip...even if its YOUR fault. See the difference? Apple will make money if they sold standard stuff, but they dont want to just mae a little off volume, they want to make more. Push for every dock sold that has that conenctor, Aple also gets a piece of that action too. On top of the 30% they get for apps they dont even make only sell, plus the 40% markup on the x86 hardware.

This is why we dont have to question how APple is so profitable. They are because they are ripping everyone off. Yes all companies do on some level. But I think 199.99 for Microsoft Office where you could make a PowerPoint presentation that take and hour and lands you millions in business is a small price to pay vs Apple being the alternative. Tsi is why, even if the new Ipad cost them more to make, they can afford to sell it at the exact same cost because, they are already gettign the money back. Theer si no way the new HD screen on the new iPad cost exactly the same to make as the one on the iPad 2. Go price a 27" monitor with full H Dresolution vs a monitor that doubles the resolutions and see how much more it cost. We already know bigger thinsg are cheaper to make. Look how much desktops cost vs a laptop with the exact same components.

Apple isnt going to give anything away. I understood your point. I agree with what you said, because we all know Apple isnt going to give you anything. They sold a broken phone and sold you the fix until consumers and bad press made them give you the fix. Apple in their pass sold defective computers and charged for the fix until a guy sued becae they cause the defect and those they charged to fix they had to reimburse and the others they had to fix for free. If that one guy had never sued, they woudl have all still been paying. The same happened with Toyota. If every person had just had an accident in the cars and died and not been able to speak about what happen, no one likely woudl have looked into possible defects. It wasn't until a family of 5 died and a case where the cops was speeding behind the car and saw the brake lights on and the car wasnt stopping and he recorded it with his camera that Toyota did somethign about it. If none of that woudl have happened, pepel woudl still be dying in their cars. Corps dont care about you, they car aout making money. They will go so far as to kill you to make money, it has been proven as fact. If you took Tobacco and rolled itin paper and smoke it, you wouldnt get addicted to it, and it likely wouldnt kill you. Adding nicotine makes them addictive so that you smoke more thus you abuse the tabacoo to a point it harms you and you die. Yet they are legal. Question, how is it legal to kill people? Because they are making money off it.

Wake up Bob.

This post has been edited by QUADICON: 01 August 2012 - 11:12 AM

[crosswordbob]

Sorry, QUAD, I will not be addressing your abusive posts until you learn to read and understand other people's points, and to reply concisely and civilly. You have failed to grasp my arguments.

[Nuke61]

QUADICON, on 01 August 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

Question, how much money wpould Apple lose if they use a standard connector? NOTHING!!!! They ost less than $1.00 to make the cable and likely less than 2.00 for the connector itself. Apple coudl still charge the exact same price for the phone and the same peopel will still buy it. .

So you think Apple could use a standard connector, save money on the manufacturing side, and STILL charge the exact same price for the phone. Additionally, the same people will still buy the phone? BRILLIANT idea!!! So then I ask myself, why wouldn't Apple do this? Could it be that the dock connector, which has a mechanical latch, actually serves a functional purpose that simply isn't available on micro-USB?

[QUADICON]

crosswordbob, on 01 August 2012 - 11:01 AM, said:

Sorry, QUAD, I will not be addressing your abusive posts until you learn to read and understand other people's points, and to reply concisely and civilly. You have failed to grasp my arguments.

There was nothing abusive in my post. I didnt call you any names did I? So where is the abuse Bob? Just in your mind.
What I gave you was an example of how consumers are being ripped off. Again as I said, Apple sin't the only one. But timnk about this. How can Apple make over $10B in profits on selling devices where the vast majority of us only pay 199.99? It's easy.

The carriers who carry iDevices, mush pay full price and buy them based on how many they can sell. This is why Sprint's CEO is taking a huge PR hit. He invested $22M of Sprints money and gave it to Apple to fiannly get iPhone. Yet they have had very lack luster sales. In fact the numbers show that in a single quarter, they sold only 1/3 how many Verizon sold.

ATT sold so many for svereal reaisns. For one, they support the same GSM that can be used worldwide giving them an advanatge over ANYother USA carrier. f T-Mobile had an iphone, they lkely woudl not sell as many as even VZW sold. Verzion sold so many simply because they have so many frikkin users at 80M+ they are the biggest. Sprint has 60M users and it looks like they dont want iPhone at all. Showing you that those 4G leading Androids they have were solid winners, while the 3G capable iPhone wasnt. How else do you explain 60M users and only 1.xM sales?

Now they are reprogramming the phones and offering them on Virgin as prepay, hoping they can get rid of as many as possible as they got stuck with a lot of them. And since the lastes model isnt even significantly different from the prior, Sprint may nto even want it as they wont sell enough of them, which means Aple will be kissing T-Mobiles butt to try to get them to sell them.

If Apple can't make huge sales numbers here in the USA, they will lose a big chunk in the market.
Iagreed with your post, I simply added to it. I didnt say anything abusive. You didnt even have to resond to it at all, if all you were going to do was lie.
The problem is, you like many who love Apple are not willing to admit to the obvious. You accept and never question what any company does unless it is one you dont like. You question everything related to Andorid/Google/Samsung, but not once have you question anything PAple does. I question all of them. Because either you will stand for something or fall for anything.

[crosswordbob]

Nuke61, on 01 August 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

QUADICON, on 01 August 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

Question, how much money wpould Apple lose if they use a standard connector? NOTHING!!!! They ost less than $1.00 to make the cable and likely less than 2.00 for the connector itself. Apple coudl still charge the exact same price for the phone and the same peopel will still buy it. .

So you think Apple could use a standard connector, save money on the manufacturing side, and STILL charge the exact same price for the phone. Additionally, the same people will still buy the phone? BRILLIANT idea!!! So then I ask myself, why wouldn't Apple do this? Could it be that the dock connector, which has a mechanical latch, actually serves a functional purpose that simply isn't available on micro-USB?

Indeed. Some people, when faced with a choice made by someone else that they don't understand themselves, will always assume that it is because the other party is stupid or evil. You and I ask if there may be a reason that we're simply unaware of. The fact is that Apple, by sticking with their own, proprietary connector, have given Apple users nearly a decade with a single connector, and a second-to-none range of third-party accessories. Had they relied on someone else's standards, they could not have guaranteed that. It's unfortunate, but ultimately unavoidable that they'd have to change sometime; however, I imagine the rumoured 19-pin connector will have been designed to last as long as the 30-pin has. IMO they'd do well to smooth this by handing out adaptors, but free stuff isn't their strong suit.

All that said, though, one wonders how much longer a physical port will be as critical as they currently are...

[crosswordbob]

Sorry, QUAD, I will not be addressing your abusive posts until you learn to read and understand other people's points, and to reply concisely and civilly. You have failed to grasp my arguments.

[QUADICON]

Nuke61, on 01 August 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

QUADICON, on 01 August 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

Question, how much money wpould Apple lose if they use a standard connector? NOTHING!!!! They ost less than $1.00 to make the cable and likely less than 2.00 for the connector itself. Apple coudl still charge the exact same price for the phone and the same peopel will still buy it. .

So you think Apple could use a standard connector, save money on the manufacturing side, and STILL charge the exact same price for the phone. Additionally, the same people will still buy the phone? BRILLIANT idea!!! So then I ask myself, why wouldn't Apple do this? Could it be that the dock connector, which has a mechanical latch, actually serves a functional purpose that simply isn't available on micro-USB?

LL. Good Point. Now let me give my side. Theer are USB cables that have a locking mechanism on the sides that prevent the cable drop slipping out. Also as far as the docks, many docks that hold I devices like iPhone, have a space that is just wide enough for the device to fit properly, they are also angles back so the device doesn't lean forward and the based also is open do the device fits down into the dock and not just sitting on top.

I Apple is paying all these great engineers so much money, surely they can take a USB cable and make it better...right? Also in case you havent notice, when those tabs get uses so much, they dont hold very well or at all either, just liek any other cable that has such or dont. USB cables and HDMI cables are designed for a snug fit. They dont just slip out until the lil tabs get worn, as with Apple's cable.

Again, you are trying to make lame excuse for wy Apple didnt do something that can actually be done and has been done. In fact all similar type of cables have locking mechanisms. Example? SATAcables also have a locking mechanish that prevents accidently unplugging a drive in case you open the PC and need to remove something else why oit is on. It has a metal clip on the outside of the conenctor. Yet it fits proactically all SATA drives with no problem. Notice how the power cable on drives also fit very sung and do just pull out no matter which way the drive is facing.

Are you really going to claim, Apple can't do the same with all that money?Maybe if they werent so busy suing and actually innovating...they actually could.
Here is a picture of SATA cables with locking clips. They were designed to fit the SATA conenctor and drives as they are made right now. You can buy ANYdrive and they fit just perfect with no additional modifiction to either. This same can be done with USB. Apple steers clear of stands because they can't make money off them the way they want too. Lok what they did to X86. They took standard hardware and marked it up 40% because if they didn't, they would have to sell the ac at the same cost as other similar PC's like the Envy or XPS. Apple wnast to make you think the Mac si betetr cause it cost more, even with the same hardware. Question...if you are using Ivy Bridge and I am using it, how is YOUR better when they are the same?

You dont think Aple can do the same with mini-USB?

A USb conenctor is already small. Makign a lip that woudl allow for the clip to look would still make that area small comapred to the big ass 30-pin conenctor. That is simply fact man.

This is what we pay engineers for. It si an obvious beneficial modification to an existing technology.
Question, have you ever designed something? Because I have. Which do you think is cheaper Nuke61? Taking an existing design and making slight modifications, ortaking a 30 pin connector and figuring out how tp cram it into a 19 pin connector?

I know YOU'RE not a fan. However this is why Ido mock fans because they dont seen to ever think outside the scope of what is simply handed to them. When a company does soemthing, they do it for one reason or another. When a company creates a technology, it doesn't mean they ahve given you the very best version of it. That is why, EIDE kicked SCSI's butt, that si why ISB kicked Firewire's butt. Its not that they were bad, they simply weren't the best. The best stick aroud longer, and is is changed continously. Apple makes money changing things from somethign to another that si racdical. When drives went from IDE to EIDE it didnt chabge the connector. Its just the older didnt benefit from the newer capabilty, but it still worked the same and didnt reqire you to buy a new PC. Aple is pulling the same BS that Inetl did with the socker vs Slot1 connector. Slot1 offered no benefit over the socket. NONE. They simply changed to make more money to make the CPU more expensive to place it inside that fancy piece of plastic. The socket has been proven to be the best invention for chips sp far and nothign has surpassed it. Each new board simply uses a more advance modified versions of the same thing. That si how it is suppose to be in my opinion. The best thinsg get better, the owrse never last. Look how often conenctors have changed on Mac's and look how long connectors have changed on PC's.

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[QUADICON]

Nuke61, on 01 August 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

QUADICON, on 01 August 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

Question, how much money wpould Apple lose if they use a standard connector? NOTHING!!!! They ost less than $1.00 to make the cable and likely less than 2.00 for the connector itself. Apple coudl still charge the exact same price for the phone and the same peopel will still buy it. .

So you think Apple could use a standard connector, save money on the manufacturing side, and STILL charge the exact same price for the phone. Additionally, the same people will still buy the phone? BRILLIANT idea!!! So then I ask myself, why wouldn't Apple do this? Could it be that the dock connector, which has a mechanical latch, actually serves a functional purpose that simply isn't available on micro-USB?

Any device that has a connector, the connection point is always inside the device or recessed I should say. They are made that way soo that any dirst or debris that slides off the edge will jsut fall straight down, and not get caught inside. The cable serves a dual purpose, it fits snug for the same reason so that debri doesnt interfere with the connetcion. Many alptops have the casing flush with the cable. They ahve no overhang to keep dust out and connections are easily severed. It is covered by the trim of the computer or device. Much like the wheels on your car sit inside the wells, not outside them. Any USB or HDMI can hve a clipped placed at the connection point. If you look at most laptops with USB, with the excapption of those that mount the connector flush, if you have any gap beteen where the connection is made and where the computer actually stops, then a clip can be made to fit in the gap. That si exactly how SATA clips work. Theer is a gap on the lip of the drive above the conenctor. Someone engineered a clip that fits that exact space. It works on nearly ANY laptop or desktop HDD or CD/DVD that uses SATA conenctions with no problem.


Apple's case I will explain how it can be done. Look at the present 30 pin. The lockign clips are on each end. Right? Now imagine a Mini USB connection that is the same, but with a locking clips at the ends. Would the hole still not be smaller than the present 30 pin? They would only need to be slight bigger than the new hole for 19 pin. However it only needs to be wide enough to allow the tabs to past the outside to sit inside as they do right now.

However, since the mini-USB connector is so thin, the cip would be better on the top and bottom of the plug. Which means, the presnet 30 pin gap that alread exists on Apple's devices not only couldbe made thin, but also not as wide. This wouldbe a benefitial modification to existing technolgy that woudl be an idustry standard and thus give Aple more browning points in actually innovating somethign useless, as oppse to making a bunch of fanct stuff no one uses but them.

You you feel Apple's engineers are to stupid to make such, then what is Apple payign them for? Instead ofsuing with all that free cash we all gave them when we buy their epesive junk, why not do something useful like, think of yout own product names and innovatw what you already own.

I think based on my own level of designing connectors, it is cheaper to take an existing established standard and make small mods to it vs making a whole new untried an untested piece of junk. Look at HDMI. It basically loots liek they took a mini-USB connection and simply made it bigger, then they made it smaller again. Yet the smaller version does exact the same as the larger one. The only modification was connector size.

This post has been edited by QUADICON: 01 August 2012 - 12:38 PM

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The other thing, of course, that the usual crowd are missing is that the reason everyone's talking about a 19-pin connector is that current accessories are still making use of 19 of the 30 pins available for control purposes. How exactly do people expect this to work through a 5-pin micro-usb connector?