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JamesVelasquez said
The metro UI is basically "Dumb as Rocks" mode, People were to stupid to click on Start and then go to programs that they starting putting everything on the desktop, then one day some one checked and saw they had over 100 and though, oh the "majority" of users (read the stupid ones) put everything on their desktop and dont even bother with the start button. I have no Touch screen, i dont want people touching my screens because i dont want oil from their skin on my screens, Why the heck do i want to have to clean my screen every 5 seconds when there is a another smudge on the screen. W8 will fail, because eventually everyone that watches porn will realize how bad a touch screen interface is for the "majority" of society that ultimatly decides what technology survives. maybe not at first but when all their equipment starts to fail they wont be using "touch based" for very much longer Let's just say that ten years from now you'll be as far behind the curve as you are now with Windows original tablet version. It seems Apple succeeded where Microsoft failed and now Microsoft is again trying to beat Apple to the punch. Hey, if you don't mind always being "second class", then stick to your old, boring, time-consuming habits.

Funny how some make the same mistake as MS by treating phones, tablets (and maybe one day TVs etc) the same as much more powerful desktop and portable computers, a mistake that Apple did not make btw.

10 years (but rather a lot earlier, still maybe 1-2 major releases) from now the hardware will maybe have evolved to the point where such an UI could make sense, but for now you (and MS) are missing one important point - we don't NEED touch on desktops and laptops!

Another very important factor wasn't mentioned - why do the apps only run fullscreen? That's not progress, the praised tablet and phone OSes are actually a huge step back necessitated by the much much weaker hardware. If we want to multitask in an efficient way in Win8 we have to go back to the "old, boring, time-consuming" desktop and use non-modern apps. Of course our Grandparents don't really need multitasking, but some of us have to do real WORK with Windows and we'll see how companies adopt Win8 for their workstations.

BTW argumenting with the price is like that old Monty Python sketch "I've been shopping" - "What did you buy?" - "A piston engine" - "What did you buy that for?" - "It was a bargain".

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compnovo, on 23 September 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

amj2012, on 22 September 2012 - 11:22 PM, said:

what is the price of a windows 8 out of the box?

It looks like it may be around $100 after the discount period expires.
http://www.zdnet.com...s-7-7000004361/

$85-125, at Amazon. Better thing to do, because you get rights to remove it and more instructions. But, that's for going on a blank PC. The upgrade including Disk is there about $67.

Upgrade has had too many people reporting problems, and if you read the product page ON the System Builder, it warns that you won't be able to successfully uninstall Win 8 in any flavor.

This post has been edited by brainout: 14 November 2012 - 03:33 AM

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brainout, on 14 November 2012 - 03:31 AM, said:

compnovo, on 23 September 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

amj2012, on 22 September 2012 - 11:22 PM, said:

what is the price of a windows 8 out of the box?

It looks like it may be around $100 after the discount period expires.
http://www.zdnet.com...s-7-7000004361/

$85-125, at Amazon. Better thing to do, because you get rights to remove it and more instructions. But, that's for going on a blank PC. The upgrade including Disk is there about $67.

Upgrade has had too many people reporting problems, and if you read the product page ON the System Builder, it warns that you won't be able to successfully uninstall Win 8 in any flavor.

The issue is that those licenses are locked to the motherboard, just like the existing OEM ones, and thus cannot be activated anywhere else. You can still remove it though.

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brainout, on 14 November 2012 - 03:31 AM, said:

Upgrade has had too many people reporting problems, and if you read the product page ON the System Builder, it warns that you won't be able to successfully uninstall Win 8 in any flavor.

The success of an upgrade depends on the apps and hardware on the original OS, so an upgrader should always proceed with caution. However, a clean install will still have the same incompatibilities.
An upgrade can never be "uninstalled", regardless of the version. That's why it's wise to create a system image prior to an upgrade, it's the only way to roll back successfully.

This post has been edited by compnovo: 14 November 2012 - 11:35 AM

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compnovo, on 14 November 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

brainout, on 14 November 2012 - 03:31 AM, said:

Upgrade has had too many people reporting problems, and if you read the product page ON the System Builder, it warns that you won't be able to successfully uninstall Win 8 in any flavor.

The success of an upgrade depends on the apps and hardware on the original OS, so an upgrader should always proceed with caution. However, a clean install will still have the same incompatibilities.
An upgrade can never be "uninstalled", regardless of the version. That's why it's wise to create a system image prior to an upgrade, it's the only way to roll back successfully.

Agreed. Without Macrium Reflect 5 Pro I'd never even try to install Win8. Even so, just yesterday I decided that the only way I'd install Win8, was on a separate laptop which has no mission-critical files. Will be shopping in Dell Auction for a Precision meeting my specs. Will also go to ZaReason to get a triple boot laptop using Linux, so I can see how they do it, versus what will be my own DIY attempt on the Dell laptop.

This post has been edited by brainout: 15 November 2012 - 03:54 AM

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LiveBrianD, on 14 November 2012 - 06:36 AM, said:

brainout, on 14 November 2012 - 03:31 AM, said:

compnovo, on 23 September 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

amj2012, on 22 September 2012 - 11:22 PM, said:

what is the price of a windows 8 out of the box?

It looks like it may be around $100 after the discount period expires.
http://www.zdnet.com...s-7-7000004361/

$85-125, at Amazon. Better thing to do, because you get rights to remove it and more instructions. But, that's for going on a blank PC. The upgrade including Disk is there about $67.

Upgrade has had too many people reporting problems, and if you read the product page ON the System Builder, it warns that you won't be able to successfully uninstall Win 8 in any flavor.

The issue is that those licenses are locked to the motherboard, just like the existing OEM ones, and thus cannot be activated anywhere else. You can still remove it though.

True. Moreover, a clone boot doesn't work if you're booting on either 1) a system which already has a different version of Windows on it, or 2) the system hardware is too dissimilar. I tried to do a clone boot using my HP 6400 Intel Xeon quad-core clone, Pentium III, on my Vista 7 machine which is Dell Optiplex with Core 2 Duo. The clone wouldn't work. I could only restore, which now means I have to rethink how to construct my recovery options. Macrium will recover to dissimilar hardware, but will not operate a clone on dissimilar hardware. Or, the OS in Windows won't allow it, even pre-boot. I have to go ask the Macrium folks what is the best strategy here. It matters, for if you swap out the hard drive and want to duplicate it on another system, maybe you can't.

This is such a nightmare. No wonder PC sales are sluggish.

This post has been edited by brainout: 15 November 2012 - 04:02 AM